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Posted: 5/20/2011 4:06:58 PM EST
I am about to fo to a stakeout at one of my parents rental properties. We have little bastard kids (14-16 year old) trespassing and damaging property.

Can I legally detain one of them before calling the cops? I have one pair of cuffs and am trained in using them (military police). I don't plan on drawing a gun or anything stupid like that. I will use the use of force model.
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Only if you dress up like the dude in your avatar. Sword and all.
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Only if you dress up like the dude in your avatar. Sword and all.


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Link Posted: 5/20/2011 4:10:39 PM EST
yeah, thats called kidnapping


pretty sure you could tell them to stay where they were, and if you did it in a commanding voice and with a bright light kids might stay
dont try and physically stop them...

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rape him,

ya I said it,

What is he going to do? Tell his friends? That would make him the fag.
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Link Posted: 5/20/2011 4:11:02 PM EST
I'm not an expert but putting your hands on minors isn't going to turn out well

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I hope that's a joke. I can only imagine the fun of explaining to the kids parents why you cuffed them and then justifying it to the judge.

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Link Posted: 5/20/2011 4:11:43 PM EST
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rape him,

ya I said it,

What is he going to do? Tell his friends? That would make him the fag.




That'll learn em.
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I didn't think it was a good idea...

I will just call the 5-0 and hope their response time is good.
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Link Posted: 5/20/2011 4:13:21 PM EST
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I hope that's a joke. I can only imagine the fun of explaining to the kids parents why you cuffed them and then justifying it to the judge.


Parents are likely meth abusing scum.
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Link Posted: 5/20/2011 4:27:16 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Lomshek:
I hope that's a joke. I can only imagine the fun of explaining to the kids parents why you cuffed them and then justifying it to the judge.


Parents are likely meth abusing scum.


Citizens arrests are legal if a crime is commited in your presence. You CAN physicaly detain someone...regardless of age. Just make sure you can PROVE they were committing the crime....thats the kicker...
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Originally Posted By kncook:
Originally Posted By Molotov357:
Originally Posted By Lomshek:
I hope that's a joke. I can only imagine the fun of explaining to the kids parents why you cuffed them and then justifying it to the judge.


Parents are likely meth abusing scum.


Citizens arrests are legal if a crime is commited in your presence. You CAN physicaly detain someone...regardless of age. Just make sure you can PROVE they were committing the crime....thats the kicker...


Trespass is civil. Not a crime. You CANNOT detain. Even LE cant detain purely for trespass. eta: Unless a warning has been previously issued.

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This has potential...

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normally i would say knock yourself out but do not handcuff a minor

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Link Posted: 5/20/2011 4:41:07 PM EST
Originally Posted By tac45:
Originally Posted By kncook:
Originally Posted By Molotov357:
Originally Posted By Lomshek:
I hope that's a joke. I can only imagine the fun of explaining to the kids parents why you cuffed them and then justifying it to the judge.


Parents are likely meth abusing scum.


Citizens arrests are legal if a crime is commited in your presence. You CAN physicaly detain someone...regardless of age. Just make sure you can PROVE they were committing the crime....thats the kicker...


Trespass is civil. Not a crime. You CANNOT detain. Even LE cant detain purely for trespass.


Varies by state. It's a crime here.
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Link Posted: 5/20/2011 4:41:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By kncook:
Originally Posted By Molotov357:
Originally Posted By Lomshek:
I hope that's a joke. I can only imagine the fun of explaining to the kids parents why you cuffed them and then justifying it to the judge.


Parents are likely meth abusing scum.


Citizens arrests are legal if a crime is commited in your presence. You CAN physicaly detain someone...regardless of age. Just make sure you can PROVE they were committing the crime....thats the kicker...


Can you provide a link to this law? Any State will do.

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Originally Posted By Molotov357:
I am about to fo to a stakeout at one of my parents rental properties. We have little bastard kids (14-16 year old) trespassing and damaging property.

Can I legally detain one of them before calling the cops? I have one pair of cuffs and am trained in using them (military police). I don't plan on drawing a gun or anything stupid like that. I will use the use of force model.


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Link Posted: 5/20/2011 4:45:40 PM EST
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rape him,

ya I said it,

What is he going to do? Tell his friends? That would make him the fag.


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Trespass is one thing... Breaking and Entering is something else entirely.
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Link Posted: 5/20/2011 4:46:55 PM EST
Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Originally Posted By Molotov357:
I am about to fo to a stakeout at one of my parents rental properties. We have little bastard kids (14-16 year old) trespassing and damaging property.

Can I legally detain one of them before calling the cops? I have one pair of cuffs and am trained in using them (military police). I don't plan on drawing a gun or anything stupid like that. I will use the use of force model.


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Some states have laws about unlawful detention or a similar name. I'd get the specifics for your state lest you wind up in the pokey.

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i know of a guy where I grew up who grabbed a 14 year old who was toilet papering his house.
the guy tied the kid up and called the cops.
the cops were not happy when they found the tied-up kid.

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Link Posted: 5/20/2011 4:56:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By Molotov357:
I am about to fo to a stakeout at one of my parents rental properties. We have little bastard kids (14-16 year old) trespassing and damaging property.

Can I legally detain one of them before calling the cops? I have one pair of cuffs and am trained in using them (military police). I don't plan on drawing a gun or anything stupid like that. I will use the use of force model.


You'd have to be crazy to do that.

Seriously, you'll be the one in jail, not the kid.
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I'd personally buy myself a nice high fps paintball gun, take up a good hide position, and...

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If you are a private citizen, do not attempt to forcibly detain anyone, except under the most extreme circumstances.
Hold them at gunpoint but if they run, they run.
Also, I would not advise you to attempt to handcuff someone by yourself, for safety reasons.
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Link Posted: 5/20/2011 5:03:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By Chas8008:
rape him,

ya I said it,

What is he going to do? Tell his friends? That would make him the fag.



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I think instead of getting cops involved Id get a few friends together and get all dressed up like some crazy serial killers and chase them around scaring the living shit out of them
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Link Posted: 5/20/2011 5:09:39 PM EST
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I think instead of getting cops involved Id get a few friends together and get all dressed up like some crazy serial killers and chase them around scaring the living shit out of them


Do it naked....

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Be a good witness. Tell them to leave the property immediately and call the police.

Unless you have seen them commit a violent crime, detaining someone is asking for trouble big-time.

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I think instead of getting cops involved Id get a few friends together and get all dressed up like some crazy serial killers and chase them around scaring the living shit out of them


Do it naked....


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Originally Posted By TXGunnersM8:
Originally Posted By tac45:
Originally Posted By kncook:
Originally Posted By Molotov357:
Originally Posted By Lomshek:
I hope that's a joke. I can only imagine the fun of explaining to the kids parents why you cuffed them and then justifying it to the judge.


Parents are likely meth abusing scum.


Citizens arrests are legal if a crime is commited in your presence. You CAN physicaly detain someone...regardless of age. Just make sure you can PROVE they were committing the crime....thats the kicker...


Trespass is civil. Not a crime. You CANNOT detain. Even LE cant detain purely for trespass.


Varies by state. It's a crime here.

Force after dark? Doesn't Texas law state the dusk to dawn laws? Detention in Texas may not be necessary.
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we had a similar situation on my friends property

kids were tearing up his property on atvs

we heard 'em coming one day and trotted out in the woods with his sks and waited for them to stop and start bullshitting

my friend looked at me an winked and started screaming "NO NO PLEASE GOD N ...." boom boom boom

he laid on his back and i grabbed his wrist ...

i drug him about 20 feet across an opening that the kids could see from their location ...

i drug him fast and was tucked down tight like i was trying to hide ...

as soon as i was across the opening they fired those bikes up and we have never seen them since ...



have fun with it

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Originally Posted By hushpuppy:
we had a similar situation on my friends property

kids were tearing up his property on atvs

we heard 'em coming one day and trotted out in the woods with his sks and waited for them to stop and start bullshitting

my friend looked at me an winked and started screaming "NO NO PLEASE GOD N ...." boom boom boom

he laid on his back and i grabbed his wrist ...

i drug him about 20 feet across an opening that the kids could see from their location ...

i drug him fast and was tucked down tight like i was trying to hide ...

as soon as i was across the opening they fired those bikes up and we have never seen them since ...



have fun with it


lol. that is funny..OP just be creative and come up with something to get the message across.

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Trespassing? Probably not. Breaking & Entering... good to fo.

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Avatar is a pic of me drawing down on a scumbag up on my roof. This lasted about 10 minutes till the cops arrived and arrested him.

I remember the thread and video.
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Situation too dangerous for any civillian, call the military or the A-Team.


No, call Seal Team 6, just to be safe.

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I think instead of getting cops involved Id get a few friends together and get all dressed up like some crazy serial killers and chase them around scaring the living shit out of them


Do it naked....


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Originally Posted By Molotov357:
I am about to fo to a stakeout at one of my parents rental properties. We have little bastard kids (14-16 year old) trespassing and damaging property.

Can I legally detain one of them before calling the cops? I have one pair of cuffs and am trained in using them (military police). I don't plan on drawing a gun or anything stupid like that. I will use the use of force model.




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Originally Posted By triple6:
Originally Posted By hushpuppy:
we had a similar situation on my friends property

kids were tearing up his property on atvs

we heard 'em coming one day and trotted out in the woods with his sks and waited for them to stop and start bullshitting

my friend looked at me an winked and started screaming "NO NO PLEASE GOD N ...." boom boom boom

he laid on his back and i grabbed his wrist ...

i drug him about 20 feet across an opening that the kids could see from their location ...

i drug him fast and was tucked down tight like i was trying to hide ...

as soon as i was across the opening they fired those bikes up and we have never seen them since ...



have fun with it


lol. that is funny..OP just be creative and come up with something to get the message across.


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I would not call the police or detain the youth, but I would need a replacement fox pepper spray canister; perhaps even several.
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Take a camera, get their picture.

Then at least you have proof the kids were on the property and had been told to leave and not come back, they were tresspassing.
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Originally Posted By _Matt_:
yeah, thats called kidnapping


pretty sure you could tell them to stay where they were, and if you did it in a commanding voice and with a bright light kids might stay
dont try and physically stop them...


Most states call it False Imprisonment. A unlawful detention of the person of another, for any length of time, whereby such person is deprived of his personal liberty.

If you try to take them anywhere THEN it's called Kidnapping.if any person, without lawful authority, forcibly seizes and confines another, or inveigles or kidnaps another, with intent, either:

■To cause such other person to be confined or imprisoned in this state against the will of the other person; or
■To cause such other person to be sent out of this state against the will of the other person; or
■To cause such person to be sold as a slave, or in any way held to service against the will of such person,
Such person shall be guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment in the custody of the Department of Corrections for a term not exceeding twenty years.
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Since tomorrow is the rapture...

You should trot around naked and tell them your a machine from the future...you know something along those lines.
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is the property posted "no trespassing"?

no cuffs or physical contact,LOUD VIOLENT sounding verbal commands might get you the desired results

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