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i want all you smart science guys to give some input



www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfBdPKxk35k
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Bob Lazar is a twit.
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Originally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker:
Bob Lazar is a twit.





go buy some gas
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Originally Posted By VictorUnit:
Originally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker:
Bob Lazar is a twit.





go buy some gas

lol


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Didn't watch the video, but I'm assuming that he claims the vehicle will run off of hydrogen that is produced by electrolyzing water using current generated by the alternator of the car... basically ending up in a self sustaining, over-unity situation.

And that would be bullshit.
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Here is his site on the project.

http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/
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Didn't watch the video..but I do think hydrogen is the wave of the future. All electric cars, at least now, have too many things going against them. Hydrogen seems to be the way to go.

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Originally Posted By KBAD:
Didn't watch the video..but I do think hydrogen is the wave of the future. All electric cars, at least now, have too many things going against them. Hydrogen seems to be the way to go.


You're going to get that hydrogen from where? And store it how? And distribute it how? Using massive amounts of electricity to crack pure H2O into hydrogen, just to burn that hydrogen to produce energy is a lossy, useless thing to do.
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Hydrogen is NOT safer than gasoline , the vessels are just way more secure.

It also takes a ton of electricity to pressurize, however I haven't seen the cost of making it recently.
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Originally Posted By Matthew_Q:
Didn't watch the video, but I'm assuming that he claims the vehicle will run off of hydrogen that is produced by electrolyzing water using current generated by the alternator of the car... basically ending up in a self sustaining, over-unity situation.

And that would be bullshit.

No , in this case he's wanting to sell conversion kits for cars to run off hydrogen gas & home systems to generate the hydrogen.

It's a completely legit conversion, but it's $10,000 which is out of the range of most people who just don't care.
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By KBAD:
Didn't watch the video..but I do think hydrogen is the wave of the future. All electric cars, at least now, have too many things going against them. Hydrogen seems to be the way to go.


You're going to get that hydrogen from where? And store it how? And distribute it how? Using massive amounts of electricity to crack pure H2O into hydrogen, just to burn that hydrogen to produce energy is a lossy, useless thing to do.


Lazar is running his electrolysis machine off of solar, so I am guessing it does not consume much more than an air-conditioner, or this guy has a massive array.
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Originally Posted By WilliamGray:
Here is his site on the project.

http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/

"Metal hydride tanks" my ass. You can't make usable hydrogen using electrolysis from tap water, the minerals will kill your electrodes and contaminate the gas pretty quickly. Where is he getting ultra pure water from? A typical solar setup would take about six months to generate enough hydrogen to drive you to the store and back. This guy is completely full of shit, like all the other hydrogen scammers.
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By WilliamGray:
Here is his site on the project.

http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/

"Metal hydride tanks" my ass. You can't make usable hydrogen using electrolysis from tap water, the minerals will kill your electrodes and contaminate the gas pretty quickly. Where is he getting ultra pure water from? A typical solar setup would take about six months to generate enough hydrogen to drive you to the store and back. This guy is completely full of shit, like all the other hydrogen scammers.

Tap water kills platinum electrodes?
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Bob Lazar. I've heard that name somewhere before. Is this the same guy who claimed to be an MIT grad employed by Area 51 working on back engineering alien spacecraft?
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Originally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker:
Bob Lazar is a twit.


Anyone that will sell me nitric acid is OK in my book

http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=16_17_69&products_id=171

Of course If I really needed it, I could make it using stuff from my garden and a few old batteries..........
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By WilliamGray:
Here is his site on the project.

http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/

"Metal hydride tanks" my ass. You can't make usable hydrogen using electrolysis from tap water, the minerals will kill your electrodes and contaminate the gas pretty quickly. Where is he getting ultra pure water from? A typical solar setup would take about six months to generate enough hydrogen to drive you to the store and back. This guy is completely full of shit, like all the other hydrogen scammers.

Tap water kills platinum electrodes?

Tap water is fine.
Pure water will not conduct electricity............
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By WilliamGray:
Here is his site on the project.

http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/

"Metal hydride tanks" my ass. You can't make usable hydrogen using electrolysis from tap water, the minerals will kill your electrodes and contaminate the gas pretty quickly. Where is he getting ultra pure water from? A typical solar setup would take about six months to generate enough hydrogen to drive you to the store and back. This guy is completely full of shit, like all the other hydrogen scammers.


in the video he points out that the electrodes are platinum

he says he gets 400 miles on 8 hours of hydrogen pressured into his vehicles tanks

he demonstrates electrolysis then burns some hydrogen directly from the tube.

seems to me it is just a matter of scale.........?



the link is in the original post




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Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Bob Lazar. I've heard that name somewhere before. Is this the same guy who claimed to be an MIT grad employed by Area 51 working on back engineering alien spacecraft?

That's the guy, very trustworthy fellow:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar
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Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Bob Lazar. I've heard that name somewhere before. Is this the same guy who claimed to be an MIT grad employed by Area 51 working on back engineering alien spacecraft?


Same guy.
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Originally Posted By VictorUnit:
in the video he points out that the electrodes are platinum

he says he gets 400 miles on 8 hours of hydrogen pressured into his vehicles tanks

he demonstrates electrolysis then burns some hydrogen directly from the tube.

seems to me it is just a matter of scale.........?

the link is in the original post


A better treatment of this topic is Michael Strizki's Solar-Hydrogen Home.

Summary: He uses solar power to run his house. Any excess electricity is used to split water and he stores the excess hydrogen in propane tanks. When the solar power drops to where he doesn't have enough electricity, he uses the stored hydrogen through a hydrogen fuel cell to convert hydrogen into water + electricity. IIRC, there is another longer video. He had much of the equipment donated to him by companies.

As far as the Bob Lazar video, I'd be interested in why he thinks Lithium Deuteride needs to be used in his car??? Lithium Hydride would suffice, but I'm puzzled about the heating of Lithium Hydride producing hydrogen. Lithium Hydride (or Deuteride) doesn't begin to give off hydrogen until it is heated to > 700C (1292F). Is he really expecting us to believe that he is heating those cylinders to that temperature?

Also, 1/6000 'hydrogen' atoms in water is Deuterium. It is not radioactive. It is isolated from water using fractional distillation. IIRC, Canada is the largest producer and it's about $1 per milliliter. To produce Lithium Deuteride, you heat lithium metal in a stream of Deuterium gas. No 'accelerators' involved.

I was thinking of going Solar-Hydrogen in my dream concrete form house that I want to build so I read a few books on the topic. I also have a degree in chemistry and while I don't know a lot, I know enough that I can smell bullshit a mile away.
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Not too sure about Bob's accelerator. Looks an awful lot like a Van de Graaff generator.
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Originally Posted By VictorUnit:
in the video he points out that the electrodes are platinum

he says he gets 400 miles on 8 hours of hydrogen pressured into his vehicles tanks

he demonstrates electrolysis then burns some hydrogen directly from the tube.

seems to me it is just a matter of scale.........?

the link is in the original post


A better treatment of this topic is Michael Strizki's Solar-Hydrogen Home.

Summary: He uses solar power to run his house. Any excess electricity is used to split water and he stores the excess hydrogen in propane tanks. When the solar power drops to where he doesn't have enough electricity, he uses the stored hydrogen through a hydrogen fuel cell to convert hydrogen into water + electricity. IIRC, there is another longer video. He had much of the equipment donated to him by companies.

As far as the Bob Lazar video, I'd be interested in why he thinks Lithium Deuteride needs to be used in his car??? Lithium Hydride would suffice, but I'm puzzled about the heating of Lithium Hydride producing hydrogen. Lithium Hydride (or Deuteride) doesn't begin to give off hydrogen until it is heated to > 700C (1292F). Is he really expecting us to believe that he is heating those cylinders to that temperature?

Also, 1/6000 'hydrogen' atoms in water is Deuterium. It is not radioactive. It is isolated from water using fractional distillation. IIRC, Canada is the largest producer and it's about $1 per milliliter. To produce Lithium Deuteride, you heat lithium metal in a stream of Deuterium gas. No 'accelerators' involved.

I was thinking of going Solar-Hydrogen in my dream concrete form house that I want to build so I read a few books on the topic. I also have a degree in chemistry and while I don't know a lot, I know enough that I can smell bullshit a mile away.

I don't understand why he was wanting to use a hydrate either, even more so considering that either liquid or compressed hydrogen works just fine (although is less safe).
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Bob Lazar. I've heard that name somewhere before. Is this the same guy who claimed to be an MIT grad employed by Area 51 working on back engineering alien spacecraft?


Why isn't he building flying cars??

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Posted: 3/26/2011 9:11:41 AM
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i want all you smart science guys to give some input


Lazar lies about his academic credentials. That's pretty much all you need to know.

On top of his falsified credentials, he crafts wild b.s. tales about reverse engineering alien spacecraft from zeta reticulon or some crap like that. I see the market is down with space alien bullshit, so he's now branching out in to "free" energy. LOL.

At least he hasn't gone bigfoot or ghost hunter.

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Originally Posted By VictorUnit:
i want all you smart science guys to give some input


Lazar lies about his academic credentials. That's pretty much all you need to know.

On top of his falsified credentials, he crafts wild b.s. tales about reverse engineering alien spacecraft from zeta reticulon or some crap like that. I see the market is down with space alien bullshit, so he's now branching out in to "free" energy. LOL.

At least he hasn't gone bigfoot or ghost hunter.



The guy has owned unitednuclear.com for quite some time. That video looks pretty old.
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Bob Lazar.

If ANYONE could actually make a car run on water, it would be him.

Totally serious. This guy is NOT stupid.

BTW...That Corvette was not running on water. He had some sort of hydride in the tanks...not straight water.

LOL...Lithium 6- Deuteride....homemade variety.
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Originally Posted By BatchelorGroda:
Bob Lazar.

If ANYONE could actually make a car run on water, it would be him.

Totally serious. This guy is NOT stupid.

BTW...That Corvette was not running on water. He had some sort of hydride in the tanks...not straight water.


He does build some neat toys.

jet turbine bike
Hot dog death ray.
Glass death ray

Waking fish up with Sodium.

His store give me a stiffy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckI_ZbJhJU8
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How come no one ever promotes natural gas vehicles. Its already being done with some commercial fleets? I think, unlike propane, it is lighter that air and would drift away if there was a leak. You still have to get fueling stations more common. I think I saw at one time a company sold a small home compressor for a couple of grand. And we have our own domestic supply of natural gas. Isn't it mostly methane anyway? Biogas generators? The thought entered my mind thinking about the difficulties of hydrogen storage.
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Originally Posted By BatchelorGroda:
Bob Lazar.

If ANYONE could actually make a car run on water, it would be him.

Totally serious. This guy is NOT stupid.

BTW...That Corvette was not running on water. He had some sort of hydride in the tanks...not straight water.

LOL...Lithium 6- Deuteride....homemade variety.


the flashing red light on his "accelerator" took his seriousness up quite a few notches...

he was formal, but there to party.


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Originally Posted By BatchelorGroda:
Bob Lazar.

If ANYONE could actually make a car run on water, it would be him.

Totally serious. This guy is NOT stupid.

BTW...That Corvette was not running on water. He had some sort of hydride in the tanks...not straight water.


AND as you know , my new friend Bob has "Death Ray Parts" for sale ; deftly described as
"Thrilling, Exciting, Unusual"

along with the rocket kit and the black powder mill , this man has demonstrated intrepid resourcefulness and is truly "giving back" to the community.

I say he ought to be named an honorary AR15.com member - in good standing!
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Originally Posted By WilliamGray:
Originally Posted By BatchelorGroda:
Bob Lazar.

If ANYONE could actually make a car run on water, it would be him.

Totally serious. This guy is NOT stupid.

BTW...That Corvette was not running on water. He had some sort of hydride in the tanks...not straight water.


He does build some neat toys.

jet turbine bike
Hot dog death ray.
Glass death ray

Waking fish up with Sodium.

His store give me a stiffy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckI_ZbJhJU8


GIVE THIS MAN RESPECT!



–– All this time I was spending good money on XM193 - when i coulda had a death ray!

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Was wondering what this guy has been doing for the past 15 years.

With battery tech advancing by leaps and bounds, hydrogen solutions are nothing more than a waste of time & money.

In 15 years, the additional battery cost to a vehicle's powertrain will be negligible. Most small and medium sized cars will be BEVs or EREVs...

Noticed the fuel cell rage has disappeard over the last year (like E-85) ?
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Originally Posted By VictorUnit:
Originally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker:
Bob Lazar is a twit.





go buy some gas


Why did you edit your original post? Probably because it wasn't funny either.
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Somewhere it says it takes 3-4 days of solar to produce enough H for 450 miles of fuel.

If the wind or solar power were converted to electric and stored in batteries, which would be more efficient? I can't find a price or specs anywhere for the solar powered hydrogen generator.

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Originally Posted By HKPDW:

Was wondering what this guy has been doing for the past 15 years.

With battery tech advancing by leaps and bounds, hydrogen solutions are nothing more than a waste of time & money.

In 15 years, the additional battery cost to a vehicle's powertrain will be negligible. Most small and medium sized cars will be BEVs or EREVs...

Noticed the fuel cell rage has disappeard over the last year (like E-85) ?

Batteries are great, electric cars are great.

China controlling 95% of the market share on the materials and production of them, not so much.
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So many things make sense now.


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Small efficient electric cars powered by Nuclear plants would be even more efficient.

Trading out all the cars on the road built between 1975 and 1995 for modern small turbo diesel powered cars would be more efficient.

Swaying public opinion to use public transportation more often would be more efficient.





Hydrogen sucks, and is a non-starter. There's so many other underlying issues to resolve that would be faster, cheaper, and have more of an impact.
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Originally Posted By C-4:
Originally Posted By VictorUnit:
in the video he points out that the electrodes are platinum

he says he gets 400 miles on 8 hours of hydrogen pressured into his vehicles tanks

he demonstrates electrolysis then burns some hydrogen directly from the tube.

seems to me it is just a matter of scale.........?

the link is in the original post


A better treatment of this topic is Michael Strizki's Solar-Hydrogen Home.

Summary: He uses solar power to run his house. Any excess electricity is used to split water and he stores the excess hydrogen in propane tanks. When the solar power drops to where he doesn't have enough electricity, he uses the stored hydrogen through a hydrogen fuel cell to convert hydrogen into water + electricity. IIRC, there is another longer video. He had much of the equipment donated to him by companies.

As far as the Bob Lazar video, I'd be interested in why he thinks Lithium Deuteride needs to be used in his car??? Lithium Hydride would suffice, but I'm puzzled about the heating of Lithium Hydride producing hydrogen. Lithium Hydride (or Deuteride) doesn't begin to give off hydrogen until it is heated to > 700C (1292F). Is he really expecting us to believe that he is heating those cylinders to that temperature?

Also, 1/6000 'hydrogen' atoms in water is Deuterium. It is not radioactive. It is isolated from water using fractional distillation. IIRC, Canada is the largest producer and it's about $1 per milliliter. To produce Lithium Deuteride, you heat lithium metal in a stream of Deuterium gas. No 'accelerators' involved.

I was thinking of going Solar-Hydrogen in my dream concrete form house that I want to build so I read a few books on the topic. I also have a degree in chemistry and while I don't know a lot, I know enough that I can smell bullshit a mile away.

I don't understand why he was wanting to use a hydrate either, even more so considering that either liquid or compressed hydrogen works just fine (although is less safe).


Oh, ok, so he was using clathrate hydrates to store hydrogen gas in those cylinders. Those don't use any 'accelerators' to produce so it's starting to sound like even more bullshit on his part. I don't know enough about hydrogen clathrate hydrates to know at what temperature and pressure they start to release hydrogen gas.
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How come no one ever promotes natural gas vehicles. Its already being done with some commercial fleets? I think, unlike propane, it is lighter that air and would drift away if there was a leak. You still have to get fueling stations more common. I think I saw at one time a company sold a small home compressor for a couple of grand. And we have our own domestic supply of natural gas. Isn't it mostly methane anyway? Biogas generators? The thought entered my mind thinking about the difficulties of hydrogen storage.

An acquaintance of mine is a specialist in alternative fuel vehicles and works for a local utilities company. Some time ago, they switched many of their vehicles to natural gas for the major tax break. They've gotten rid of nearly all of them due to the forty-something mile range...
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Hydrogen is a poor fuel for reciprocating engines because it has very poor anti-knock index. It has a large flammable limit and can only be used at the lowest percentage of flammable limit, meaning engines have very low power output. If you could compress it to 25,000 PSI, it might work for diesels but good luck there.

For turbine engines, it would work well because of the wide flammability limit and high heat.
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Posted: 3/26/2011 8:34:34 PM

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Fraud Is A Felony.



Transvestites are felons?

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Didn't watch the video, but I'm assuming that he claims the vehicle will run off of hydrogen that is produced by electrolyzing water using current generated by the alternator of the car... basically ending up in a self sustaining, over-unity situation.

And that would be bullshit.

Im not sure... he did say it would only give you 400 miles of range. I think he means you have to electrolyze the water, when you get to a parking space with an electrical socket and some water.. Some onboard system, extracts the Hydrogen from the water... and stores it in the tank... and blam.

It wouldn't be self-sustaining at all. Essentially it would be an electric car, except the electrical power is "converted" into a chemical stored power (for lack of a better way of describing it)
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Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Originally Posted By Mech2007:

Fraud Is A Felony.

Transvestites are felons?

Phallacious even.
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thanks for all the science people chiming in ,
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Bob Lazar is a twit.

Yes. Very much.

He owns a missile silo near where I grew up.
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Originally Posted By ziarifleman:

Originally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker:
Bob Lazar is a twit.

Yes. Very much.

He owns a missile silo near where I grew up.


who wouldnt want a missile silo?

WTF is it with the hate ???

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