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Posted: 2/26/2011 4:03:14 PM EDT

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They are convinced the government and military will be on their side.

If that's the case, they've got another thing coming! The goobermint may be like minded generally speaking, but the Military won't have any of that shit!

They need to remember that the tree of liberty needs refreshing!

Posted: 2/26/2011 4:09:20 PM EDT

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It's more likely that they'll just continue to try to bring in European-style neo-socialism one inch at at time.

This. They won't be able to bring themselves to be the instigator of blood in the streets. Make love, not war, MAN! Besides, they would need guns, and we own them all.

This is so very wrong. Despite all the love, peace and harmony crap they preach they do not believe in it. They quickly turn to violence and have done so even in the relatively small protests we have seen already. The violence is just covered up by the media because they know that the truth would hurt their cause. When the real violence starts it will be blamed on the right, they will ignore the fact that the left started it and play it off as violent tea baggers assaulting peaceful liberals.

Liberals are also arming and training themselves, not in the numbers we are but the ones that are arming themselves, are not doing it to protection but that wage war on us. We should fear the left because they are more than willing to commit unspeakable horrors against us because they have dehumanized us in their minds. They have a seething hate for us that was created the same way the Nazi's created the hate for the Jews or the French created the hate for the bourgeoisie. For years they have blamed us for everything that goes wrong, they portray us as savage evil people who are some how too stupid to understand their thinking but smart enough to have an evil conspiracy. In their minds we are not human making it acceptable to do things they abhor to us such as prejudging, hating and wishing harm upon us. We are headed into scary times and anyone that thinks that liberals will practice the peace, love and harmony the preach is crazy.

You are 100 percent accurate.

Most of them can't shoot for shit and they believe they can simply waltz up to a ritzy house and kill the occupants and viola, the house is instantly theirs.

I work with a progressive/commie and he told me his survival plan is to like to kill a "rich family" and take over their estate. He's a DU member and all that shit. I told him rich people are smart and armed to the teeth. I also told him he'd be swiss cheesed as soon as he's within range. I told him rich people have pallets of ammo, the nicest weaponry and his shitty canted front sight un-sighted-in WASR would be useless against an armed Physician, Accountant or Engineer.

Progressive/Commies are worthless. I'd shoot one in an instant if I had to. Hell, I'd kill em for free if it was legal..

Posted: 2/26/2011 4:12:27 PM EDT

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I'm sorry, but you were not involved in the quote thread, so I'm not sure why you think that was directed at you.

No I wasn't. I just wanted to know.

LOL. Paranoid? Have someting you need to get off your chest?

Posted: 2/26/2011 4:15:32 PM EDT

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...they're really up for it?

Every one of them believes in preparing for what every piece of marxist/communist/anarchist/socialist literature refers to as "the coming revolution". From what I have observed, the overwhelming majority of them are weekend ideologues who may even believe some of the absolute garbage they shovel.

That being said, does anyone believe the hippies are prepared to deal with what they preach in any kind of practical sense? Practical meaning social breakdown, no power or water or food, being shot at, taking lives, etc. when the rest of the children go after the adults.

Who is funding the movement?

George Soros. Various unions like the SEIU.

A capitalist! That's the best you can do, Soro's and the unions...

I guess you don't know how stupid that sounds...OH...wait a...Rush told you that...right?

Wow, before you post you should know what you're posting about so you don't look bad.

George Soros authored an article called "The Capitalist Threat" that was published in the Atlantic Monthly in 1997.

George Soros may be a business man, but he advocates for "progressive economic policies" that progress toward a communist state.

If anything Soro's is a bagman. It's the people you don't see and don't hear about who make things happen.

As for looking bad...I am not here to win a popularity contest or make friends.

Fruitcake wheels within fruitcake wheels.

American Federation of Government Employees, whats your local, squirrel?

You do know we are talking about fkn socialists, the largest groups of socialists, are union memberships.

Maybe you should leave before these guys start taking you apart...comrade.

Posted: 2/26/2011 4:17:33 PM EDT

[#5]

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...they're really up for it?

Every one of them believes in preparing for what every piece of marxist/communist/anarchist/socialist literature refers to as "the coming revolution". From what I have observed, the overwhelming majority of them are weekend ideologues who may even believe some of the absolute garbage they shovel.

That being said, does anyone believe the hippies are prepared to deal with what they preach in any kind of practical sense? Practical meaning social breakdown, no power or water or food, being shot at, taking lives, etc. when the rest of the children go after the adults.

Who is funding the movement?

George Soros. Various unions like the SEIU.

A capitalist! That's the best you can do, Soro's and the unions...

I guess you don't know how stupid that sounds...OH...wait a...Rush told you that...right?

Wow, before you post you should know what you're posting about so you don't look bad.

George Soros authored an article called "The Capitalist Threat" that was published in the Atlantic Monthly in 1997.

George Soros may be a business man, but he advocates for "progressive economic policies" that progress toward a communist state.

Can you summarize his article for us?

Long story short, Mr. Soros believed (I assume still believes) that capitalism while not intentionally destructive is destructive and he advocated for what he called an "open society." An "open society" he tries to claim in his article is not Fascism or Communism, but then he claims it requires redistribution of wealth and that state interests as well as individual interests should be put aside for the "common good."

It's basically an article where he slams capitalism and national interests in order to promote a new world order that he tries desperately to distinguish from communism, but that ends up reading like something straight from Karl Marx.

It's the typical dishonest progressive diatribe that forms the basis for modern communist rhetoric.

Posted: 2/26/2011 4:19:54 PM EDT

[#6]

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...they're really up for it?

Every one of them believes in preparing for what every piece of marxist/communist/anarchist/socialist literature refers to as "the coming revolution". From what I have observed, the overwhelming majority of them are weekend ideologues who may even believe some of the absolute garbage they shovel.

That being said, does anyone believe the hippies are prepared to deal with what they preach in any kind of practical sense? Practical meaning social breakdown, no power or water or food, being shot at, taking lives, etc. when the rest of the children go after the adults.

Who is funding the movement?

George Soros. Various unions like the SEIU.

A capitalist! That's the best you can do, Soro's and the unions...

I guess you don't know how stupid that sounds...OH...wait a...Rush told you that...right?

Wow, before you post you should know what you're posting about so you don't look bad.

George Soros authored an article called "The Capitalist Threat" that was published in the Atlantic Monthly in 1997.

George Soros may be a business man, but he advocates for "progressive economic policies" that progress toward a communist state.

If anything Soro's is a bagman. It's the people you don't see and don't hear about who make things happen.

As for looking bad...I am not here to win a popularity contest or make friends.

Fruitcake wheels within fruitcake wheels.

American Federation of Government Employees, whats your local, squirrel?

You do know we are talking about fkn socialists, the largest groups of socialists, are union memberships.

Maybe you should leave before these guys start taking you apart...comrade.

Posted: 2/26/2011 4:21:02 PM EDT

[#7]

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It's more likely that they'll just continue to try to bring in European-style neo-socialism one inch at at time.

This. They won't be able to bring themselves to be the instigator of blood in the streets. Make love, not war, MAN! Besides, they would need guns, and we own them all.

This is so very wrong. Despite all the love, peace and harmony crap they preach they do not believe in it. They quickly turn to violence and have done so even in the relatively small protests we have seen already. The violence is just covered up by the media because they know that the truth would hurt their cause. When the real violence starts it will be blamed on the right, they will ignore the fact that the left started it and play it off as violent tea baggers assaulting peaceful liberals.

Liberals are also arming and training themselves, not in the numbers we are but the ones that are arming themselves, are not doing it to protection but that wage war on us. We should fear the left because they are more than willing to commit unspeakable horrors against us because they have dehumanized us in their minds. They have a seething hate for us that was created the same way the Nazi's created the hate for the Jews or the French created the hate for the bourgeoisie. For years they have blamed us for everything that goes wrong, they portray us as savage evil people who are some how too stupid to understand their thinking but smart enough to have an evil conspiracy. In their minds we are not human making it acceptable to do things they abhor to us such as prejudging, hating and wishing harm upon us. We are headed into scary times and anyone that thinks that liberals will practice the peace, love and harmony the preach is crazy.

You are 100 percent accurate.

Most of them can't shoot for shit and they believe they can simply waltz up to a ritzy house and kill the occupants and viola, the house is instantly theirs.

I work with a progressive/commie and he told me his survival plan is to like to kill a "rich family" and take over their estate. He's a DU member and all that shit. I told him rich people are smart and armed to the teeth. I also told him he'd be swiss cheesed as soon as he's within range. I told him rich people have pallets of ammo, the nicest weaponry and his shitty canted front sight un-sighted-in WASR would be useless against an armed Physician, Accountant or Engineer.

Progressive/Commies are worthless. I'd shoot one in an instant if I had to. Hell, I'd kill em for free if it was legal..

You people are going off the deep end. 1st we lose a generation through Limpjaw and his circular rhetoric, and now we are losing generation because of video games.

You dudes need to put that shit down!

Posted: 2/26/2011 4:22:22 PM EDT

[#8]

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Quoted:
...they're really up for it?

Every one of them believes in preparing for what every piece of marxist/communist/anarchist/socialist literature refers to as "the coming revolution". From what I have observed, the overwhelming majority of them are weekend ideologues who may even believe some of the absolute garbage they shovel.

That being said, does anyone believe the hippies are prepared to deal with what they preach in any kind of practical sense? Practical meaning social breakdown, no power or water or food, being shot at, taking lives, etc. when the rest of the children go after the adults.

Who is funding the movement?

George Soros. Various unions like the SEIU.

A capitalist! That's the best you can do, Soro's and the unions...

I guess you don't know how stupid that sounds...OH...wait a...Rush told you that...right?

Wow, before you post you should know what you're posting about so you don't look bad.

George Soros authored an article called "The Capitalist Threat" that was published in the Atlantic Monthly in 1997.

George Soros may be a business man, but he advocates for "progressive economic policies" that progress toward a communist state.

If anything Soro's is a bagman. It's the people you don't see and don't hear about who make things happen.

As for looking bad...I am not here to win a popularity contest or make friends.

Fruitcake wheels within fruitcake wheels.

American Federation of Government Employees, whats your local, squirrel?

You do know we are talking about fkn socialists, the largest groups of socialists, are union memberships.

Maybe you should leave before these guys start taking you apart...comrade.

Pussy

Posted: 2/26/2011 4:24:39 PM EDT

[#9]

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Quoted:
...they're really up for it?

Every one of them believes in preparing for what every piece of marxist/communist/anarchist/socialist literature refers to as "the coming revolution". From what I have observed, the overwhelming majority of them are weekend ideologues who may even believe some of the absolute garbage they shovel.

That being said, does anyone believe the hippies are prepared to deal with what they preach in any kind of practical sense? Practical meaning social breakdown, no power or water or food, being shot at, taking lives, etc. when the rest of the children go after the adults.

Who is funding the movement?

George Soros. Various unions like the SEIU.

A capitalist! That's the best you can do, Soro's and the unions...

I guess you don't know how stupid that sounds...OH...wait a...Rush told you that...right?

Wow, before you post you should know what you're posting about so you don't look bad.

George Soros authored an article called "The Capitalist Threat" that was published in the Atlantic Monthly in 1997.

George Soros may be a business man, but he advocates for "progressive economic policies" that progress toward a communist state.

Can you summarize his article for us?

Long story short, Mr. Soros believed (I assume still believes) that capitalism while not intentionally destructive is destructive and he advocated for what he called an "open society." An "open society" he tries to claim in his article is not Fascism or Communism, but then he claims it requires redistribution of wealth and that state interests as well as individual interests should be put aside for the "common good."

It's basically an article where he slams capitalism and national interests in order to promote a new world order that he tries desperately to distinguish from communism, but that ends up reading like something straight from Karl Marx.

It's the typical dishonest progressive diatribe that forms the basis for modern communist rhetoric.

That BS is for the useful idiots. In the end, he and his capitalist buddies get stay rich. That in no way is socialism

Posted: 2/26/2011 4:30:26 PM EDT

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...they're really up for it?

Every one of them believes in preparing for what every piece of marxist/communist/anarchist/socialist literature refers to as "the coming revolution". From what I have observed, the overwhelming majority of them are weekend ideologues who may even believe some of the absolute garbage they shovel.

That being said, does anyone believe the hippies are prepared to deal with what they preach in any kind of practical sense? Practical meaning social breakdown, no power or water or food, being shot at, taking lives, etc. when the rest of the children go after the adults.

Who is funding the movement?

George Soros. Various unions like the SEIU.

A capitalist! That's the best you can do, Soro's and the unions...

I guess you don't know how stupid that sounds...OH...wait a...Rush told you that...right?

Wow, before you post you should know what you're posting about so you don't look bad.

George Soros authored an article called "The Capitalist Threat" that was published in the Atlantic Monthly in 1997.

George Soros may be a business man, but he advocates for "progressive economic policies" that progress toward a communist state.

If anything Soro's is a bagman. It's the people you don't see and don't hear about who make things happen.

As for looking bad...I am not here to win a popularity contest or make friends.

Fruitcake wheels within fruitcake wheels.

American Federation of Government Employees, whats your local, squirrel?

You do know we are talking about fkn socialists, the largest groups of socialists, are union memberships.

Maybe you should leave before these guys start taking you apart...comrade.

Pussy

From senseless rambling to personal attacks and insults is it?

Posted: 2/26/2011 4:32:14 PM EDT

[#11]

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Quoted:
...they're really up for it?

Every one of them believes in preparing for what every piece of marxist/communist/anarchist/socialist literature refers to as "the coming revolution". From what I have observed, the overwhelming majority of them are weekend ideologues who may even believe some of the absolute garbage they shovel.

That being said, does anyone believe the hippies are prepared to deal with what they preach in any kind of practical sense? Practical meaning social breakdown, no power or water or food, being shot at, taking lives, etc. when the rest of the children go after the adults.

Who is funding the movement?

George Soros. Various unions like the SEIU.

A capitalist! That's the best you can do, Soro's and the unions...

I guess you don't know how stupid that sounds...OH...wait a...Rush told you that...right?

Wow, before you post you should know what you're posting about so you don't look bad.

George Soros authored an article called "The Capitalist Threat" that was published in the Atlantic Monthly in 1997.

George Soros may be a business man, but he advocates for "progressive economic policies" that progress toward a communist state.

If anything Soro's is a bagman. It's the people you don't see and don't hear about who make things happen.

As for looking bad...I am not here to win a popularity contest or make friends.

Fruitcake wheels within fruitcake wheels.

American Federation of Government Employees, whats your local, squirrel?

You do know we are talking about fkn socialists, the largest groups of socialists, are union memberships.

Maybe you should leave before these guys start taking you apart...comrade.

Pussy

From senseless rambling to personal attacks and insults is it?

Weak

Posted: 2/26/2011 4:35:17 PM EDT

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Communists certainly exist, are politically active, and hold positions of influence within our government. There are certainly radical left-wing groups that have in the past carried out violent terrorist attacks. There are radical left-wing groups that call for open revolution. It is my belief that the more radical elements have been tempered by the progressive elements, but as we can see Unions increasingly come under attack in order to make States more competitive in our global market. I believe the progressive elements will not be able to restrain the more radical elements for very long especially if labor laws are reformed or government union contracts are modified to the benefit of the tax paying citizen rather than the Union card holder.

Just as the progressives have progressed toward communism I'm afraid that if the capitalists do not take a progressive approach back toward capitalism and reform too quickly that there could be a conflict that becomes violent. For instance, what if necessity dictated a massive reform to Social Security and other entitlements within a short period of time? What would shutting off that federal money train do to motivate the left-wing to commit acts of violence? Would it cause the left-wing to grow with more moderate who are left of center joining their ranks? Would more progressives abandon the subtle tactics and go violent? Would there be civil war or at the very least national civil unrest? Maybe.

Our Republic is also balanced on a razor's edge. A series of events could push the United States into civil war just as easily at is has and does to other nations around the world. Believe me there are many a radical who would love to see the capitalists hanged.

Posted: 2/26/2011 4:47:25 PM EDT

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The left does not have to fire a shot, they are leading us to their socialist paradise at a respectable clip.

When the left scores a 'win" we are one step closer to socialism, when the right "wins" it is a holding action. No lost ground is ever recaptured. We are screwed.

I believe some would like to lash out at the left because of the frustration of fighting a battle which appears to be impossible to win, I am one of them.

The general population is not on our side, they just want free stuff and will vote for anyone who will provide it. Not being able to afford the free goodies and the toxic strings attached to the free goodies do not now or have ever in the past mattered one whit.

Posted: 2/26/2011 4:50:56 PM EDT

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Communists certainly exist, are politically active, and hold positions of influence within our government.

Baloney, if there are, they are impotent and not funded. Being a idealist communist means nothing and not threat

There are certainly radical left-wing groups that have in the past carried out violent terrorist attacks.

Who?

There are radical left-wing groups that call for open revolution.

Again, who?

It is my belief that the more radical elements have been tempered by the progressive elements, but as we can see Unions increasingly come under attack in order to make States more competitive in our global market. I believe the progressive elements will not be able to restrain the more radical elements for very long especially if labor laws are reformed or government union contracts are modified to the benefit of the tax paying citizen rather than the Union card holder.

Wishful thinking of a gamer

Just as the progressives have progressed toward communism I'm afraid that if the capitalists do not take a progressive approach back toward capitalism and reform too quickly that there could be a conflict that becomes violent.

You are refering to capitalism as a socio/poliitcal ideology...it aint.

For instance, what if necessity dictated a massive reform to Social Security and other entitlements within a short period of time? What would shutting off that federal money train do to motivate the left-wing to commit acts of violence? Would it cause the left-wing to grow with more moderate who are left of center joining their ranks? Would more progressives abandon the subtle tactics and go violent? Would there be civil war or at the very least national civil unrest? Maybe.

Our Republic is also balanced on a razor's edge. A series of events could push the United States into civil war just as easily at is has and does to other nations around the world. Believe me there are many a radical who would love to see the capitalists hanged.

More wishful thinking by a gamer?

Come on dude, put the controller down

Posted: 2/26/2011 4:55:40 PM EDT

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Top down, bottom up, inside out.

that is, get the welfare crazies guided by the socialist/communist to revolt, thus "forcing" the socialist/communist in the government to enact new broad sweeping reforms from the top.

That would be called "astroturf", and any government that did such a thing would be illegitimate.

Posted: 2/26/2011 5:02:23 PM EDT

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Their "revolution" peaked when Pelosi took over as Speaker of the House.

Posted: 2/26/2011 5:04:18 PM EDT

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Many socialists want nothing to do with communism.

Why, because they don't want to take everything?

Fuck the commies and whatever they call themselves

Posted: 2/26/2011 5:14:11 PM EDT

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Many socialists want nothing to do with communism.

Why, because they don't want to take everything?
Fuck the commies and whatever they call themselves

Easiest difference to discerne between the two is wether they believe in a nationalist or stateless form of socialism (ie fascism vs communism).

Posted: 2/26/2011 5:24:14 PM EDT

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As long as American Idol, Dancing with the Stars and The Bachelor are on, there wont be a revolution

Your soaking in a revolution right now dude. The progressive movement is using bread and circuses like you mention to draw attention away from their schemes. You are thinking of a counter revolution, or a restoration of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

At this point its any ones game.

Posted: 2/26/2011 5:41:57 PM EDT

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eta and comments about 'touching oneself' from a blathering virgin that's almost never correct about his assertions just make me giggle.

Hit a nerve, did I?

There is an almost fanatical desire among *SOME* people here, for everything to collapse, so they can live out their post-civilization fantasies....

Weather that be being able to shoot anyone who steps on their grass, be a 'freedom fighter' trying to 're-build' America, or just be the guy that has all the stuff women want when everyone else would kill for a slice of bread.....

It's quite obvious, and frankly quite absurd...

Now, this is NOT talking about the reasonable sort of person, who is prepared for likely regional natural disasters... Good on them...

This is about the type who hopes for SHTF, or even advocates voting/taking actions to CAUSE IT.

Well put! The thing to remember IF SHTF, it will never happen the way you think it will. By the time people start to realize something ain't right, the fat lady will have already sung!

Posted: 2/26/2011 5:43:11 PM EDT

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Armed revolt isn't their goal right now other than for a few extreme radicals.

They call themselves progressives for a reason. They want to make steady progress toward the Communist State they believe in and view that as the surest way to achieve their goals.

I had many professors at university tell me that a Communist State could only exist grown from a strong Capitalist State, which is why they believed the Soviet Union failed since Russia was never a strong economic power to start with.

Capitalism - Socialism - Communism. That's the progression so called progressives want to see take place.

This matches up perfectly with what I know of Marxist ideology and eschatology. They view things as occurring in phases. First you have primitive hunter gatherer societies, then agrarian societies with larger villages and eventually cities, such a society could either be imperial, feudalistic, or a mix of the two. Next comes capitalism, and from capitalism socialism and eventually worldwide communism are supposed to inevitably (I might as well say magically) arise. After communism reigns over all humanity, everyone is supposed to be happy, and there will be no more wars or struggles. This period would be known as the end of history.

Posted: 2/26/2011 5:47:49 PM EDT

[#22]

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...they're really up for it?

Every one of them believes in preparing for what every piece of marxist/communist/anarchist/socialist literature refers to as "the coming revolution". From what I have observed, the overwhelming majority of them are weekend ideologues who may even believe some of the absolute garbage they shovel.

That being said, does anyone believe the hippies are prepared to deal with what they preach in any kind of practical sense? Practical meaning social breakdown, no power or water or food, being shot at, taking lives, etc. when the rest of the children go after the adults.

Who is funding the movement?

George Soros. Various unions like the SEIU.

A capitalist! That's the best you can do, Soro's and the unions...

I guess you don't know how stupid that sounds...OH...wait a...Rush told you that...right?

You should read about the history of the Bolshevik Revolution - Jacob Shiff supposedly provided financial support to Leon Trotsky at various points.

Most 'revolutions' are fairly contrived and even deceptive events instigated by people who remain behind the scenes.

As a historian I can only conclude that Jacob Schiff or any other "Upper East Side Jew" had nothing to do with Lenin taking over the Legislative Assembly in 1918.
However, if you have primary source evidence to support your claim I would be glad if you'd make reference to it.

LOL The first thing that came up when I searched was this gem from the Jewish Virtual Library which admitted to his antipathy towards the Romanov Dynasty. And the Csar was hardly popular among Jews (for reasons I've never understood - while other nations in Europe were expelling them outright, the Csars at least attempted to compromise by establishing the Pale of Settlement).

Plus Trotsky admitted in his memoirs to having rich patrons supporting him while he was in New York.

Not that I expect you to be convinced by any of this - I only offer it on an informational basis.

Posted: 2/26/2011 5:52:15 PM EDT

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It's more likely that they'll just continue to try to bring in European-style neo-socialism one inch at at time.

This. They won't be able to bring themselves to be the instigator of blood in the streets. Make love, not war, MAN! Besides, they would need guns, and we own them all.

This is so very wrong. Despite all the love, peace and harmony crap they preach they do not believe in it. They quickly turn to violence and have done so even in the relatively small protests we have seen already. The violence is just covered up by the media because they know that the truth would hurt their cause. When the real violence starts it will be blamed on the right, they will ignore the fact that the left started it and play it off as violent tea baggers assaulting peaceful liberals.

Liberals are also arming and training themselves, not in the numbers we are but the ones that are arming themselves, are not doing it to protection but that wage war on us. We should fear the left because they are more than willing to commit unspeakable horrors against us because they have dehumanized us in their minds. They have a seething hate for us that was created the same way the Nazi's created the hate for the Jews or the French created the hate for the bourgeoisie. For years they have blamed us for everything that goes wrong, they portray us as savage evil people who are some how too stupid to understand their thinking but smart enough to have an evil conspiracy. In their minds we are not human making it acceptable to do things they abhor to us such as prejudging, hating and wishing harm upon us. We are headed into scary times and anyone that thinks that liberals will practice the peace, love and harmony the preach is crazy.

It is also likely that hostile foreign powers would intervene and assist these people with the training and equipment to make our lives hell. Even though we have guns and training, they would have vast manpower reserves, and access to spetsnaz type training.

Posted: 2/26/2011 6:00:10 PM EDT

[#24]

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Armed revolt isn't their goal right now other than for a few extreme radicals.

They call themselves progressives for a reason. They want to make steady progress toward the Communist State they believe in and view that as the surest way to achieve their goals.

I had many professors at university tell me that a Communist State could only exist grown from a strong Capitalist State, which is why they believed the Soviet Union failed since Russia was never a strong economic power to start with.

Capitalism - Socialism - Communism. That's the progression so called progressives want to see take place.

This matches up perfectly with what I know of Marxist ideology and eschatology. They view things as occurring in phases. First you have primitive hunter gatherer societies, then agrarian societies with larger villages and eventually cities, such a society could either be imperial, feudalistic, or a mix of the two. Next comes capitalism, and from capitalism socialism and eventually worldwide communism are supposed to inevitably (I might as well say magically) arise. After communism reigns over all humanity, everyone is supposed to be happy, and there will be no more wars or struggles. This period would be known as the end of history.

Lenin would take issue with all of this, naturally.

Posted: 2/26/2011 6:02:16 PM EDT

[#25]

The groups that want to bring our freedom (or capitalism, nation/nationalism, pollution, or what-have-you) are a coalition of convenience, ganging up on the biggest, most successful threat that disproves their ideology.

When we're gone, they'll turn on one another like jackals on a diet.

Posted: 2/26/2011 6:06:58 PM EDT

[#26]

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Many socialists want nothing to do with communism.

Why, because they don't want to take everything?
Fuck the commies and whatever they call themselves

Easiest difference to discerne between the two is wether they believe in a nationalist or stateless form of socialism (ie fascism vs communism).

You are intentionally confusing Nation with State, that seems to be much of the reason people fail to grasp the difference.

Fascism is about violently suppressing any threat to the natural, old, order. It is a world view based on the idea that those who have power and capital have it because they deserve it. Communism is all about the throwing out of the old order, because those who had power and capital only had it by exploiting the workers.

Posted: 2/26/2011 6:07:12 PM EDT

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Armed revolt isn't their goal right now other than for a few extreme radicals.

They call themselves progressives for a reason. They want to make steady progress toward the Communist State they believe in and view that as the surest way to achieve their goals.

I had many professors at university tell me that a Communist State could only exist grown from a strong Capitalist State, which is why they believed the Soviet Union failed since Russia was never a strong economic power to start with.

Capitalism - Socialism - Communism. That's the progression so called progressives want to see take place.

This matches up perfectly with what I know of Marxist ideology and eschatology. They view things as occurring in phases. First you have primitive hunter gatherer societies, then agrarian societies with larger villages and eventually cities, such a society could either be imperial, feudalistic, or a mix of the two. Next comes capitalism, and from capitalism socialism and eventually worldwide communism are supposed to inevitably (I might as well say magically) arise. After communism reigns over all humanity, everyone is supposed to be happy, and there will be no more wars or struggles. This period would be known as the end of history.

Lenin would take issue with all of this, naturally.

Schumpeter wouldn't though. His idea was that socialism would eventually triumph in a top-down, reactionary model - essentially when the existing elites would destroy the free markets to preserve their position of privilege from the inevitible demands of creative destruction.

Schumpeter's model explains a lot of what's going on in America now.

Posted: 2/26/2011 6:12:59 PM EDT

[#28]

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Armed revolt isn't their goal right now other than for a few extreme radicals.

They call themselves progressives for a reason. They want to make steady progress toward the Communist State they believe in and view that as the surest way to achieve their goals.

I had many professors at university tell me that a Communist State could only exist grown from a strong Capitalist State, which is why they believed the Soviet Union failed since Russia was never a strong economic power to start with.

Capitalism - Socialism - Communism. That's the progression so called progressives want to see take place.

This matches up perfectly with what I know of Marxist ideology and eschatology. They view things as occurring in phases. First you have primitive hunter gatherer societies, then agrarian societies with larger villages and eventually cities, such a society could either be imperial, feudalistic, or a mix of the two. Next comes capitalism, and from capitalism socialism and eventually worldwide communism are supposed to inevitably (I might as well say magically) arise. After communism reigns over all humanity, everyone is supposed to be happy, and there will be no more wars or struggles. This period would be known as the end of history.

Lenin would take issue with all of this, naturally.

Why exactly? Did he feel that some or most of Marx's ideas on how to reach communism were flawed? They do call it Marxism-Leninism for a reason I would imagine. Lenin must have had a great impact on past and therefore contemporary Marxist thought.

Posted: 2/26/2011 6:40:41 PM EDT

[#29]

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Armed revolt isn't their goal right now other than for a few extreme radicals.

They call themselves progressives for a reason. They want to make steady progress toward the Communist State they believe in and view that as the surest way to achieve their goals.

I had many professors at university tell me that a Communist State could only exist grown from a strong Capitalist State, which is why they believed the Soviet Union failed since Russia was never a strong economic power to start with.

Capitalism - Socialism - Communism. That's the progression so called progressives want to see take place.

This matches up perfectly with what I know of Marxist ideology and eschatology. They view things as occurring in phases. First you have primitive hunter gatherer societies, then agrarian societies with larger villages and eventually cities, such a society could either be imperial, feudalistic, or a mix of the two. Next comes capitalism, and from capitalism socialism and eventually worldwide communism are supposed to inevitably (I might as well say magically) arise. After communism reigns over all humanity, everyone is supposed to be happy, and there will be no more wars or struggles. This period would be known as the end of history.

Lenin would take issue with all of this, naturally.

Why exactly? Did he feel that some or most of Marx's ideas on how to reach communism were flawed? They do call it Marxism-Leninism for a reason I would imagine. Lenin must have had a great impact on past and therefore contemporary Marxist thought.

Without going into crazy detail, what Lenin did was essentially take the Bourgeoisie - Proletariat divide and expand it into a global world view where the capitalist-imperialist countries had to exploit the less developed world in order to remain in power and appease their own populations (this in part explained why Marx's predicted revolution in the more industrial countries did not occur - these countries were able to pacify their working class with money gained from imperialism). Thus, instead of the oppressed workers in a specific society rising up, the oppressed in a less developed society being horribly exploited by the more advanced European powers would be the source of the revolution. That country, of course, would be Russia. The rest of the developing world would become their "allies" in the global fight against capitalist imperialism.

Posted: 2/26/2011 6:44:44 PM EDT

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As with all progressive, libertard, socialist, communist idealists, they haven't thought that far ahead to realize the consequences of their actions.

Yes, consequences like this, which they should be prepared for.

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It's more likely that they'll just continue to try to bring in European-style neo-socialism one inch at at time.

This. They won't be able to bring themselves to be the instigator of blood in the streets. Make love, not war, MAN! Besides, they would need guns, and we own them all.

Believing that is a MASSIVE mistake. That's EXACTLY what they're good at, getting others to do their dirty work, and not feeling one iota of remorse or compassion for their victims.

I think that you're right in one respect: the ones who are good at geting others to do their dirty work are the leaders of the worldwide marxist movement, i.e. Obama et al.

However, when it comes to actually performing the dirty work, how many of the latte-sipping iMac revolutionaries are going to toe the line, and how many are going to run screaming when the 5.56 starts flying? I'm thinking that while many of them are long on rhetoric and actually believe what they are shovelling, they're great at talking themselves up in the locker room but are going to choke before the first down.

Posted: 2/26/2011 6:53:49 PM EDT

[#31]

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...they're really up for it?

Every one of them believes in preparing for what every piece of marxist/communist/anarchist/socialist literature refers to as "the coming revolution". From what I have observed, the overwhelming majority of them are weekend ideologues who may even believe some of the absolute garbage they shovel.

That being said, does anyone believe the hippies are prepared to deal with what they preach in any kind of practical sense? Practical meaning social breakdown, no power or water or food, being shot at, taking lives, etc. when the rest of the children go after the adults.

Who is funding the movement?

George Soros. Various unions like the SEIU.

A capitalist! That's the best you can do, Soro's and the unions...

I guess you don't know how stupid that sounds...OH...wait a...Rush told you that...right?

Do you have any idea how many international marxist/communist/socialist groups Soros funds, and to what degree? Additionally, he controls the largest network of 527 groups here in America, and THAT gives him the largest stake in the pursestrings of the democrat party.

Soros may use capitalism to advance himself personally, but his ideology is an entirely different matter.

Posted: 2/26/2011 7:04:22 PM EDT

[#32]

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Armed revolt isn't their goal right now other than for a few extreme radicals.

They call themselves progressives for a reason. They want to make steady progress toward the Communist State they believe in and view that as the surest way to achieve their goals.

I had many professors at university tell me that a Communist State could only exist grown from a strong Capitalist State, which is why they believed the Soviet Union failed since Russia was never a strong economic power to start with.

Capitalism - Socialism - Communism. That's the progression so called progressives want to see take place.

This matches up perfectly with what I know of Marxist ideology and eschatology. They view things as occurring in phases. First you have primitive hunter gatherer societies, then agrarian societies with larger villages and eventually cities, such a society could either be imperial, feudalistic, or a mix of the two. Next comes capitalism, and from capitalism socialism and eventually worldwide communism are supposed to inevitably (I might as well say magically) arise. After communism reigns over all humanity, everyone is supposed to be happy, and there will be no more wars or struggles. This period would be known as the end of history.

"Socialism is just communism, written one page at a time." -Josef Stalin

Posted: 2/26/2011 9:08:34 PM EDT

[#33]

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Armed revolt isn't their goal right now other than for a few extreme radicals.

They call themselves progressives for a reason. They want to make steady progress toward the Communist State they believe in and view that as the surest way to achieve their goals.

I had many professors at university tell me that a Communist State could only exist grown from a strong Capitalist State, which is why they believed the Soviet Union failed since Russia was never a strong economic power to start with.

Capitalism - Socialism - Communism. That's the progression so called progressives want to see take place.

This matches up perfectly with what I know of Marxist ideology and eschatology. They view things as occurring in phases. First you have primitive hunter gatherer societies, then agrarian societies with larger villages and eventually cities, such a society could either be imperial, feudalistic, or a mix of the two. Next comes capitalism, and from capitalism socialism and eventually worldwide communism are supposed to inevitably (I might as well say magically) arise. After communism reigns over all humanity, everyone is supposed to be happy, and there will be no more wars or struggles. This period would be known as the end of history.

Lenin would take issue with all of this, naturally.

Why exactly? Did he feel that some or most of Marx's ideas on how to reach communism were flawed? They do call it Marxism-Leninism for a reason I would imagine. Lenin must have had a great impact on past and therefore contemporary Marxist thought.

Without going into crazy detail, what Lenin did was essentially take the Bourgeoisie - Proletariat divide and expand it into a global world view where the capitalist-imperialist countries had to exploit the less developed world in order to remain in power and appease their own populations (this in part explained why Marx's predicted revolution in the more industrial countries did not occur - these countries were able to pacify their working class with money gained from imperialism). Thus, instead of the oppressed workers in a specific society rising up, the oppressed in a less developed society being horribly exploited by the more advanced European powers would be the source of the revolution. That country, of course, would be Russia. The rest of the developing world would become their "allies" in the global fight against capitalist imperialism.

Ah.........that really puts the cold war into perspective. It's obvious that the Soviet Union was guided by this principle for most of its life.

Posted: 2/26/2011 9:39:59 PM EDT

[#34]

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...they're really up for it?

Every one of them believes in preparing for what every piece of marxist/communist/anarchist/socialist literature refers to as "the coming revolution". From what I have observed, the overwhelming majority of them are weekend ideologues who may even believe some of the absolute garbage they shovel.

That being said, does anyone believe the hippies are prepared to deal with what they preach in any kind of practical sense? Practical meaning social breakdown, no power or water or food, being shot at, taking lives, etc. when the rest of the children go after the adults.

Who is funding the movement?

George Soros. Various unions like the SEIU.

A capitalist! That's the best you can do, Soro's and the unions...

I guess you don't know how stupid that sounds...OH...wait a...Rush told you that...right?

Do you have any idea how many international marxist/communist/socialist groups Soros funds, and to what degree? Additionally, he controls the largest network of 527 groups here in America, and THAT gives him the largest stake in the pursestrings of the democrat party.

Soros may use capitalism to advance himself personally, but his ideology is an entirely different matter.

Name some

Posted: 2/26/2011 9:51:37 PM EDT

[#35]

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...they're really up for it?

Every one of them believes in preparing for what every piece of marxist/communist/anarchist/socialist literature refers to as "the coming revolution". From what I have observed, the overwhelming majority of them are weekend ideologues who may even believe some of the absolute garbage they shovel.

That being said, does anyone believe the hippies are prepared to deal with what they preach in any kind of practical sense? Practical meaning social breakdown, no power or water or food, being shot at, taking lives, etc. when the rest of the children go after the adults.

Who is funding the movement?

George Soros. Various unions like the SEIU.

A capitalist! That's the best you can do, Soro's and the unions...

I guess you don't know how stupid that sounds...OH...wait a...Rush told you that...right?

Do you have any idea how many international marxist/communist/socialist groups Soros funds, and to what degree? Additionally, he controls the largest network of 527 groups here in America, and THAT gives him the largest stake in the pursestrings of the democrat party.

Soros may use capitalism to advance himself personally, but his ideology is an entirely different matter.

Name some

Open Society Institute? I think he funds the International Action Network On Small Arms, the Australian anti-gun org.

Posted: 2/27/2011 12:58:55 AM EDT

[#36]

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Without going into crazy detail, what Lenin did was essentially take the Bourgeoisie - Proletariat divide and expand it into a global world view where the capitalist-imperialist countries had to exploit the less developed world in order to remain in power and appease their own populations (this in part explained why Marx's predicted revolution in the more industrial countries did not occur - these countries were able to pacify their working class with money gained from imperialism). Thus, instead of the oppressed workers in a specific society rising up, the oppressed in a less developed society being horribly exploited by the more advanced European powers would be the source of the revolution. That country, of course, would be Russia. The rest of the developing world would become their "allies" in the global fight against capitalist imperialism.

Ah.........that really puts the cold war into perspective. It's obvious that the Soviet Union was guided by this principle for most of its life.

Yep. It's called "Internationalism."

It later evolves into the ideas of people like Mao, Kim Il-Sung and Pol Pot which call for a perpetual revolution designed to fundamentally re-form man by completely eradicating the old order. We all know how that ends.

Posted: 2/27/2011 5:13:17 AM EDT

[#37]

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...they're really up for it?

Every one of them believes in preparing for what every piece of marxist/communist/anarchist/socialist literature refers to as "the coming revolution". From what I have observed, the overwhelming majority of them are weekend ideologues who may even believe some of the absolute garbage they shovel.

That being said, does anyone believe the hippies are prepared to deal with what they preach in any kind of practical sense? Practical meaning social breakdown, no power or water or food, being shot at, taking lives, etc. when the rest of the children go after the adults.

Who is funding the movement?

George Soros. Various unions like the SEIU.

A capitalist! That's the best you can do, Soro's and the unions...

I guess you don't know how stupid that sounds...OH...wait a...Rush told you that...right?

Do you have any idea how many international marxist/communist/socialist groups Soros funds, and to what degree? Additionally, he controls the largest network of 527 groups here in America, and THAT gives him the largest stake in the pursestrings of the democrat party.

Soros may use capitalism to advance himself personally, but his ideology is an entirely different matter.

Name some

There are far too many to name, but International Crisis Group, OSI, International Socialist Organization, Apollo Institute, and the Tides Foundation are a good place to start. If you really need the rest spelled out for you, I don't know what to tell you. This is such commonly-known, open-source information that you must have only recently learned how to use a computer, or must really have your head... in the sand.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1237

Posted: 2/27/2011 6:42:28 AM EDT

[#38]

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Armed revolt isn't their goal right now other than for a few extreme radicals.

They call themselves progressives for a reason. They want to make steady progress toward the Communist State they believe in and view that as the surest way to achieve their goals.

I had many professors at university tell me that a Communist State could only exist grown from a strong Capitalist State, which is why they believed the Soviet Union failed since Russia was never a strong economic power to start with.

Capitalism - Socialism - Communism. That's the progression so called progressives want to see take place.

This matches up perfectly with what I know of Marxist ideology and eschatology. They view things as occurring in phases. First you have primitive hunter gatherer societies, then agrarian societies with larger villages and eventually cities, such a society could either be imperial, feudalistic, or a mix of the two. Next comes capitalism, and from capitalism socialism and eventually worldwide communism are supposed to inevitably (I might as well say magically) arise. After communism reigns over all humanity, everyone is supposed to be happy, and there will be no more wars or struggles. This period would be known as the end of history.

Lenin would take issue with all of this, naturally.

Why exactly? Did he feel that some or most of Marx's ideas on how to reach communism were flawed? They do call it Marxism-Leninism for a reason I would imagine. Lenin must have had a great impact on past and therefore contemporary Marxist thought.

Without going into crazy detail, what Lenin did was essentially take the Bourgeoisie - Proletariat divide and expand it into a global world view where the capitalist-imperialist countries had to exploit the less developed world in order to remain in power and appease their own populations (this in part explained why Marx's predicted revolution in the more industrial countries did not occur - these countries were able to pacify their working class with money gained from imperialism). Thus, instead of the oppressed workers in a specific society rising up, the oppressed in a less developed society being horribly exploited by the more advanced European powers would be the source of the revolution. That country, of course, would be Russia. The rest of the developing world would become their "allies" in the global fight against capitalist imperialism.

Ah.........that really puts the cold war into perspective. It's obvious that the Soviet Union was guided by this principle for most of its life.

Disclaimer: The following bit is more the opinion of bohr_adam, and not necessarily widely accepted by historians of the Soviet era:

Officially, yes. I would argue that Stalin took the ideology still one step further, distorting it to his own ends and ambition. He thus managed to bring the Revolution full circle, fully incorporating the mentalities, more traditional foreign policy, and domestic enforcement tendencies of the old Empire. His justification of greater and greater police powers, and a system where other Communist countries were subordinated to Russia's interests instead of equal partners, actually resulted in the Soviet Union not behaving fundamentally different than the Russian Empire had previously (except with the Russian Orthodox Church replaces by the Politburo). The internal moral struggles this created among even the heavily Marxist-Leninist intelligentsia were apparent from almost the moment of Stalin's departure from the scene, if not before (purges). You had people who began to view the Russian State that had been created as the capital-owning oppressor of the Russian people. Every premier after Stalin seemed to struggle with this, and various attempts to reform the state apparatus were enacted, with Gorbachev's perestroika and glasnost efforts only being the most drastic and most well-known (and with their end result underscoring the reason for more prudent conservatism by his predecessors, a kind of, "see, I told you so.")

Reagan knew this, and his "tear down this wall speech" was designed to hit the ideological Marxist-Leninists hard, because it so clearly highlighted such a tangible symbol of the institutionalized hypocrisy.

Posted: 2/27/2011 6:48:17 AM EDT

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They are convinced the government and military will be on their side.

If that's the case, they've got another thing coming! The goobermint may be like minded generally speaking, but the Military won't have any of that shit!

They need to remember that the tree of liberty needs refreshing!

But,but they are Gays & Minorities & Enlightened elitist Government workers & Union Stooges & Women for Choice & Code Pinko , It Would be downright Racist & Bigoted if they were not to be defended to the Death by Leos & NG in a heartbeat .

Posted: 2/27/2011 7:32:51 AM EDT

[#40]

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...they're really up for it?

Every one of them believes in preparing for what every piece of marxist/communist/anarchist/socialist literature refers to as "the coming revolution". From what I have observed, the overwhelming majority of them are weekend ideologues who may even believe some of the absolute garbage they shovel.

That being said, does anyone believe the hippies are prepared to deal with what they preach in any kind of practical sense? Practical meaning social breakdown, no power or water or food, being shot at, taking lives, etc. when the rest of the children go after the adults.

I think if you're worrying about "marxists/communists/anarchists/socialists" and the "coming revolution" you're about forty years too late and haven't been paying much attention in the interim.

Most progressive/liberals do not see themselves as Marxists/Socialists/Communists. Most use liberalism/Progressivism as a cover whether they wan't to admit it or not like a wolf in sheep's clothing. So many of them I have met and talked to accept almost everything Marxist as the utopian solution but are in denial with the connection. Two of my college professors a few years ago were as marxist as they come but danced around the term like Fred Astaire dancing in the rain. One of my brothers and his wife are total Marxists but will only call themselves progressives and actively campaigned for Senator Harry "Turd" Reid as "Progressives for Harry Reid." Without telling them the source of the points, I listed every major point of Marxism and they agreed with all but one point. When I told them where the points came from they went nuts with rage and typical denials. To say they are ignorant is foolish. They do know exactly what they are and parsing terms is vital to making most people believe they are "just one of us with a better idea." They are not one of us. The fact is they always have and always will hate this country until it is a copy of their Utopian vision. Remember Mrs. Obama's speech about finally finding something in America to be proud about? As we see in the courts and federal and state administrations, they are not afraid to make rulings and administrative policy regardless of what the law actually says. As my brother said, "When liberalism has failed it has not been liberalism's fault. It was a failure of so many not getting on board." They really believe the consequences are not a product of their failed ideology but in our failure to fully support it. Many of them I have talked to are adamant, "We will shove it down your throat and you are ultimately not necessary if you don't like it. Peaceful means are preferable but force will do. I wish this was all just idle, foolish talk on their part but too much is happening since Obuma took office to call them nuts. They really do think they are about to pull it off.

Posted: 2/27/2011 7:44:29 AM EDT

[#41]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCqUVIc5Zm0&feature=related
Their here.

Posted: 2/27/2011 7:46:26 AM EDT

[#42]

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There's a lot of people that need to pick up a fucking history book.

The reason there are so many young folks in this country that are mis-guided so easily is that the TRUE history of this GREAT NATION is no longer being taught.

In that respect the commies have won. Most of them are teachers.

No one is 'screwing up' history, the problem is that none of the kids give a shit about 'that boring old stuff'....

And here you are flat fucking wrong. I won't even bother going into what is considered history curriculum and the anti-american tilt all over the textbooks and in the teachers minds.

Posted: 2/27/2011 7:51:12 AM EDT

[#43]

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There's a lot of people that need to pick up a fucking history book.

The reason there are so many young folks in this country that are mis-guided so easily is that the TRUE history of this GREAT NATION is no longer being taught.

In that respect the commies have won. Most of them are teachers.

No one is 'screwing up' history, the problem is that none of the kids give a shit about 'that boring old stuff'....

And here you are flat fucking wrong. I won't even bother going into what is considered history curriculum and the anti-american tilt all over the textbooks and in the teachers minds.

There are posters here who buy into the America and it's Racist Bigoted Homophobic Colonialist Imperialist Past shit taught in schools over the last 40 years

Posted: 2/27/2011 8:03:02 AM EDT

[#44]

Sometimes I wish they would just go ahead & rise up & start shooting, that way they would get smacked down & not be heard from for a long time.

But I don't think they will do that & they will just keep plugging away with their incremental destruction of our country......

Posted: 2/27/2011 8:06:52 AM EDT

[#45]

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...they're really up for it?

Every one of them believes in preparing for what every piece of marxist/communist/anarchist/socialist literature refers to as "the coming revolution". From what I have observed, the overwhelming majority of them are weekend ideologues who may even believe some of the absolute garbage they shovel.

That being said, does anyone believe the hippies are prepared to deal with what they preach in any kind of practical sense? Practical meaning social breakdown, no power or water or food, being shot at, taking lives, etc. when the rest of the children go after the adults.

I think if you're worrying about "marxists/communists/anarchists/socialists" and the "coming revolution" you're about forty years too late and haven't been paying much attention in the interim.

Most progressive/liberals do not see themselves as Marxists/Socialists/Communists. Most use liberalism/Progressivism as a cover whether they wan't to admit it or not like a wolf in sheep's clothing. So many of them I have met and talked to accept almost everything Marxist as the utopian solution but are in denial with the connection. Two of my college professors a few years ago were as marxist as they come but danced around the term like Fred Astaire dancing in the rain. One of my brothers and his wife are total Marxists but will only call themselves progressives and actively campaigned for Senator Harry "Turd" Reid as "Progressives for Harry Reid." Without telling them the source of the points, I listed every major point of Marxism and they agreed with all but one point. When I told them where the points came from they went nuts with rage and typical denials. To say they are ignorant is foolish. They do know exactly what they are and parsing terms is vital to making most people believe they are "just one of us with a better idea." They are not one of us. The fact is they always have and always will hate this country until it is a copy of their Utopian vision. Remember Mrs. Obama's speech about finally finding something in America to be proud about? As we see in the courts and federal and state administrations, they are not afraid to make rulings and administrative policy regardless of what the law actually says. As my brother said, "When liberalism has failed it has not been liberalism's fault. It was a failure of so many not getting on board." They really believe the consequences are not a product of their failed ideology but in our failure to fully support it. Many of them I have talked to are adamant, "We will shove it down your throat and you are ultimately not necessary if you don't like it. Peaceful means are preferable but force will do. I wish this was all just idle, foolish talk on their part but too much is happening since Obuma took office to call them nuts. They really do think they are about to pull it off.

And herein lies the issue that was originally posted: If a group of people are so nervous about a label pasted on their most deeply-held belief system (and thusly on themselves personally), how are they going to have the nerve to step into the light, much less get bloody to achieve the ends of their failed ideology?

Liberalism/communism/marxism is a mental condition more than it is any coherent set of political beliefs.

Posted: 2/27/2011 8:28:27 AM EDT

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Top down, bottom up, inside out.

that is, get the welfare crazies guided by the socialist/communist to revolt, thus "forcing" the socialist/communist in the government to enact new broad sweeping reforms from the top.

This is how it will happen..it has already started.

Remember-just over half of the people in the US DO NOT pay income taxes. The welfare rolls are growing and it is no longer seen as something shamefull/low class..it is now a way of life. The left will use them to instigate more class warfare, instigate riots and then call in the leaders to "make things more fair". And so on..and so on..

NEVER underestimate the power of usefull idiots en masse..

No, there will be no major bloodshed..it will be like was fortold...Americans will raise the flag of communism ....

Posted: 2/27/2011 9:42:15 AM EDT

[#47]

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Plus Trotsky admitted in his memoirs to having rich patrons supporting him while he was in New York.

As did Lenin and Marx. They were all unproductive leeches on society. The kind that couldn't make a living but knew more than you.

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There are posters here who buy into the America and it's Racist Bigoted Homophobic Colonialist Imperialist Past shit taught in schools over the last 40 years

The only colonialism I see today is from the democrat party opening the borders as wide as possible to let anyone with a pulse in... and eventually be provided government benefits (even the diseased, the indigent and destitute, and the anti-american ideologues and muslim whack-jobs).

Posted: 2/27/2011 1:38:27 PM EDT

[#48]

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...they're really up for it?

Every one of them believes in preparing for what every piece of marxist/communist/anarchist/socialist literature refers to as "the coming revolution". From what I have observed, the overwhelming majority of them are weekend ideologues who may even believe some of the absolute garbage they shovel.

That being said, does anyone believe the hippies are prepared to deal with what they preach in any kind of practical sense? Practical meaning social breakdown, no power or water or food, being shot at, taking lives, etc. when the rest of the children go after the adults.

I think if you're worrying about "marxists/communists/anarchists/socialists" and the "coming revolution" you're about forty years too late and haven't been paying much attention in the interim.

Most progressive/liberals do not see themselves as Marxists/Socialists/Communists. Most use liberalism/Progressivism as a cover whether they wan't to admit it or not like a wolf in sheep's clothing. So many of them I have met and talked to accept almost everything Marxist as the utopian solution but are in denial with the connection. Two of my college professors a few years ago were as marxist as they come but danced around the term like Fred Astaire dancing in the rain. One of my brothers and his wife are total Marxists but will only call themselves progressives and actively campaigned for Senator Harry "Turd" Reid as "Progressives for Harry Reid." Without telling them the source of the points, I listed every major point of Marxism and they agreed with all but one point. When I told them where the points came from they went nuts with rage and typical denials. To say they are ignorant is foolish. They do know exactly what they are and parsing terms is vital to making most people believe they are "just one of us with a better idea." They are not one of us. The fact is they always have and always will hate this country until it is a copy of their Utopian vision. Remember Mrs. Obama's speech about finally finding something in America to be proud about? As we see in the courts and federal and state administrations, they are not afraid to make rulings and administrative policy regardless of what the law actually says. As my brother said, "When liberalism has failed it has not been liberalism's fault. It was a failure of so many not getting on board." They really believe the consequences are not a product of their failed ideology but in our failure to fully support it. Many of them I have talked to are adamant, "We will shove it down your throat and you are ultimately not necessary if you don't like it. Peaceful means are preferable but force will do. I wish this was all just idle, foolish talk on their part but too much is happening since Obuma took office to call them nuts. They really do think they are about to pull it off.

Fellow Travelers and useful idiots can not conceive of any pattern of thought excepting their own. They are the most close-minded individuals I have encountered. They see us, men of the right, as less than human and women of the right send them into fits of rage.

Take note of the treatment of Palin and Bachmann, rending of hair and gnashing of teeth on the left, it is insanity.

Posted: 2/27/2011 1:55:46 PM EDT

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They are convinced the government and military will be on their side do all the hard work of shoving us into the ovens, same as last time.

Fixed that for you. And they're badly mistaken. I look forward to killing marxists.

Didn't expect to hear that coming from CA.

Posted: 2/27/2011 3:29:34 PM EDT

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There was a great little segment on NPR today about Francis Fox Piven, the lady who wrote an article about welfare reform in the 60s that that product of incest glen beck imagined was the cornerstone of some kind of vast and evil conspiracy.

I really do wonder whether conservatism in America can survive glen beck. How many people will he pull off the deep end with him?

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