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Posted: 10/22/2014 11:13:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mister_H:
Don't forget that Bill Newell was "informally" reporting Fast and Furious details to the National Security Director for North America Kevin O'Reilly. In my opinion they didn't pursue that fact as well as they should have. Not in Iraq now, subpoena him. I don't think it is any more than speculation, but many have considered that CIA might have been trying to shift power from violent cartels to less violent cartels in Mexico. I personally think that it would have made more sense for a direct government sale to make it's way to the chosen cartel if that were the case, but who is to say they didn't do both. What are the reported direct government sales? Thought they quit reporting direct government sales. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 10/22/2014 11:19:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX_M1:
Not in Iraq now, subpoena him. I don't think it is any more than speculation, but many have considered that CIA might have been trying to shift power from violent cartels to less violent cartels in Mexico. I personally think that it would have made more sense for a direct government sale to make it's way to the chosen cartel if that were the case, but who is to say they didn't do both. What are the reported direct government sales? Thought they quit reporting direct government sales. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX_M1:
Originally Posted By Mister_H:
Don't forget that Bill Newell was "informally" reporting Fast and Furious details to the National Security Director for North America Kevin O'Reilly. In my opinion they didn't pursue that fact as well as they should have. Not in Iraq now, subpoena him. I don't think it is any more than speculation, but many have considered that CIA might have been trying to shift power from violent cartels to less violent cartels in Mexico. I personally think that it would have made more sense for a direct government sale to make it's way to the chosen cartel if that were the case, but who is to say they didn't do both. What are the reported direct government sales? Thought they quit reporting direct government sales. I'd hope the CIA would be less ridiculously traceable back to the US. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 11:21:44 PM EDT
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I sincerely wish all the worst things in this world on Holder, his friends, and his family.
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Posted: 10/22/2014 11:27:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX_M1:
Not in Iraq now, subpoena him. I don't think it is any more than speculation, but many have considered that CIA might have been trying to shift power from violent cartels to less violent cartels in Mexico. I personally think that it would have made more sense for a direct government sale to make it's way to the chosen cartel if that were the case, but who is to say they didn't do both. What are the reported direct government sales? Thought they quit reporting direct government sales. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX_M1:
Originally Posted By Mister_H:
Don't forget that Bill Newell was "informally" reporting Fast and Furious details to the National Security Director for North America Kevin O'Reilly. In my opinion they didn't pursue that fact as well as they should have. Not in Iraq now, subpoena him. I don't think it is any more than speculation, but many have considered that CIA might have been trying to shift power from violent cartels to less violent cartels in Mexico. I personally think that it would have made more sense for a direct government sale to make it's way to the chosen cartel if that were the case, but who is to say they didn't do both. What are the reported direct government sales? Thought they quit reporting direct government sales. Or some other group At whose direction? Why? |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 10/22/2014 11:59:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow:
Or some other group At whose direction? Why? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow:
Originally Posted By TX_M1:
Originally Posted By Mister_H:
Don't forget that Bill Newell was "informally" reporting Fast and Furious details to the National Security Director for North America Kevin O'Reilly. In my opinion they didn't pursue that fact as well as they should have. Not in Iraq now, subpoena him. I don't think it is any more than speculation, but many have considered that CIA might have been trying to shift power from violent cartels to less violent cartels in Mexico. I personally think that it would have made more sense for a direct government sale to make it's way to the chosen cartel if that were the case, but who is to say they didn't do both. What are the reported direct government sales? Thought they quit reporting direct government sales. Or some other group At whose direction? Why? |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 12:05:49 AM EDT
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Sorry for accidentally derailing the thread again. Unsubscribing to prevent doing that again.
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Posted: 10/23/2014 5:41:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RocketmanOU:
This. It was probably released, and no one with media access to it will report on it until they're given their orders to do so. Also, dammit alpha, keeping track of your avatars is indeed a pain in the ass Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RocketmanOU:
Originally Posted By alphajaguars:
Originally Posted By Frog_Legs:
I would have sworn today was the day the privilege log was supposed to be released. Along with any documents not covered by that log. Crickets. Did the date change again. Am I misinformed? What in the Wild World of Sports is going on around here.  Delay as long as you can, and then pass the whole thing off as "old news". This. It was probably released, and no one with media access to it will report on it until they're given their orders to do so. Also, dammit alpha, keeping track of your avatars is indeed a pain in the ass I think I am pretty much staying with this one. At least until after CWE. 
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Posted: 10/23/2014 5:43:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow:
Sorry for accidentally derailing the thread again. Unsubscribing to prevent doing that again. 
How is discussing what were the driving forces and those involved derailing the thread? |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 1:15:13 PM EDT
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Breaking: Obama asserts exec privilege for fast and furious docs to holders wife.
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Posted: 10/23/2014 1:21:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Breaking: Obama asserts exec privilege for fast and furious docs to holders wife.
As in Holder may have emailed something to his wife? |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 1:21:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Breaking: Obama asserts exec privilege for fast and furious docs to holders wife. what? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 1:23:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xjronx:
what? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xjronx:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Breaking: Obama asserts exec privilege for fast and furious docs to holders wife. what? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile On Drudge... |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 1:28:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/23/2014 1:34:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By diestone:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/10/obama-asserts-fast-furious-executive-privilege-claim-holders-wife-2/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By diestone:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/10/obama-asserts-fast-furious-executive-privilege-claim-holders-wife-2/ Based on a preliminary review of the massive document, Judicial Watch can disclose that the Vaughn index reveals:
-Numerous emails that detail Attorney General Holder’s direct involvement in crafting talking points, the timing of public disclosures, and handling Congressional inquiries in the Fast and Furious matter. -President Obama has asserted executive privilege over nearly 20 email communications between Holder and his spouse Sharon Malone. The administration also claims that the records are also subject to withholding under the “deliberative process” exemption. This exemption ordinarily exempts from public disclosure records that could chill internal government deliberations. -Numerous entries detail DOJ’s communications (including those of Eric Holder) concerning the White House about Fast and Furious. -The scandal required the attention of virtually every top official of the DOJ and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). Communications to and from the United States Ambassador to Mexico about the Fast and Furious matter are also described. -Many of the records are already publicly available such as letters from Congress, press clips, and typical agency communications. Ordinarily, these records would, in whole or part, be subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act. Few of the records seem to even implicate presidential decision-making and advice that might be subject to President Obama’s broad and unprecedented executive privilege claim. Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton criticized President Obama and his disgraced Attorney General in a statement today: "This document provides key information about the cover-up of Fast and Furious by Attorney General Eric Holder and other high-level officials of the Obama administration. Obama’s executive privilege claims over these records are a fraud and an abuse of his office. There is no precedent for President Obama’s Nixonian assertion of executive privilege over these ordinary government agency records. Americans will be astonished that Obama asserted executive privilege over Eric Holder’s emails to his wife about Fast and Furious. Once again, Judicial Watch has proven itself more effective than Congress and the establishment media in providing basic oversight of this out-of-control Administration. This Fast and Furious document provides dozens of leads for further congressional, media, and even criminal investigations." |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 1:37:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wmounts]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By miker84: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By miker84: Originally Posted By diestone: http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/10/obama-asserts-fast-furious-executive-privilege-claim-holders-wife-2/ Based on a preliminary review of the massive document, Judicial Watch can disclose that the Vaughn index reveals: -Numerous emails that detail Attorney General Holder’s direct involvement in crafting talking points, the timing of public disclosures, and handling Congressional inquiries in the Fast and Furious matter. -President Obama has asserted executive privilege over nearly 20 email communications between Holder and his spouse Sharon Malone. The administration also claims that the records are also subject to withholding under the "deliberative process” exemption. This exemption ordinarily exempts from public disclosure records that could chill internal government deliberations. -Numerous entries detail DOJ’s communications (including those of Eric Holder) concerning the White House about Fast and Furious. -The scandal required the attention of virtually every top official of the DOJ and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). Communications to and from the United States Ambassador to Mexico about the Fast and Furious matter are also described. -Many of the records are already publicly available such as letters from Congress, press clips, and typical agency communications. Ordinarily, these records would, in whole or part, be subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act. Few of the records seem to even implicate presidential decision-making and advice that might be subject to President Obama’s broad and unprecedented executive privilege claim. Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton criticized President Obama and his disgraced Attorney General in a statement today: "This document provides key information about the cover-up of Fast and Furious by Attorney General Eric Holder and other high-level officials of the Obama administration. Obama’s executive privilege claims over these records are a fraud and an abuse of his office. There is no precedent for President Obama’s Nixonian assertion of executive privilege over these ordinary government agency records. Americans will be astonished that Obama asserted executive privilege over Eric Holder’s emails to his wife about Fast and Furious. Once again, Judicial Watch has proven itself more effective than Congress and the establishment media in providing basic oversight of this out-of-control Administration. This Fast and Furious document provides dozens of leads for further congressional, media, and even criminal investigations." WTF???? When Nolo first posted, I assumed he was trying to add levity to this debacle. |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 1:56:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/23/2014 2:11:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By miker84:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By miker84:
Originally Posted By diestone:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/10/obama-asserts-fast-furious-executive-privilege-claim-holders-wife-2/ Based on a preliminary review of the massive document, Judicial Watch can disclose that the Vaughn index reveals:
-Numerous emails that detail Attorney General Holder’s direct involvement in crafting talking points, the timing of public disclosures, and handling Congressional inquiries in the Fast and Furious matter. -President Obama has asserted executive privilege over nearly 20 email communications between Holder and his spouse Sharon Malone. The administration also claims that the records are also subject to withholding under the “deliberative process” exemption. This exemption ordinarily exempts from public disclosure records that could chill internal government deliberations. -Numerous entries detail DOJ’s communications (including those of Eric Holder) concerning the White House about Fast and Furious. -The scandal required the attention of virtually every top official of the DOJ and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). Communications to and from the United States Ambassador to Mexico about the Fast and Furious matter are also described. -Many of the records are already publicly available such as letters from Congress, press clips, and typical agency communications. Ordinarily, these records would, in whole or part, be subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act. Few of the records seem to even implicate presidential decision-making and advice that might be subject to President Obama’s broad and unprecedented executive privilege claim. Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton criticized President Obama and his disgraced Attorney General in a statement today: "This document provides key information about the cover-up of Fast and Furious by Attorney General Eric Holder and other high-level officials of the Obama administration. Obama’s executive privilege claims over these records are a fraud and an abuse of his office. There is no precedent for President Obama’s Nixonian assertion of executive privilege over these ordinary government agency records. Americans will be astonished that Obama asserted executive privilege over Eric Holder’s emails to his wife about Fast and Furious. Once again, Judicial Watch has proven itself more effective than Congress and the establishment media in providing basic oversight of this out-of-control Administration. This Fast and Furious document provides dozens of leads for further congressional, media, and even criminal investigations." Sadly, at this point, my sense is that they successfully delayed the discovery of any wrongdoing to make any difference whatsoever.
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Posted: 10/23/2014 3:13:07 PM EDT
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This is absolute proof that the cover up exists. Now is the time to scream this abuse of EP from the rooftops and use it to show just how desperate that traitor in the White House is to protect his friends. I look at this as a good thing because there is no way to hide it, no way to explain it away, no good answer as to why you would involve your friends wife and hide her from scrutiny.
It is time to ramp up the pressure again and keep this in the forefront. FBHO/FUEH. |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 4:10:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/23/2014 4:21:10 PM EDT
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They all seem to be untouchable
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Posted: 10/23/2014 4:41:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burbanite:
This is absolute proof that the cover up exists. Now is the time to scream this abuse of EP from the rooftops and use it to show just how desperate that traitor in the White House is to protect his friends. I look at this as a good thing because there is no way to hide it, no way to explain it away, no good answer as to why you would involve your friends wife and hide her from scrutiny. It is time to ramp up the pressure again and keep this in the forefront. FBHO/FUEH. Obama will just pardon Holder, who will then take full responsibility. Hopefully he'll take a vacation south of the border in a few years because maybe Mexico would be interested in prosecuting Holder.
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MT, USA
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Posted: 10/23/2014 5:33:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
Obama will just pardon Holder, who will then take full responsibility. Hopefully he'll take a vacation south of the border in a few years because maybe Mexico would be interested in prosecuting Holder. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By burbanite:
This is absolute proof that the cover up exists. Now is the time to scream this abuse of EP from the rooftops and use it to show just how desperate that traitor in the White House is to protect his friends. I look at this as a good thing because there is no way to hide it, no way to explain it away, no good answer as to why you would involve your friends wife and hide her from scrutiny. It is time to ramp up the pressure again and keep this in the forefront. FBHO/FUEH. Obama will just pardon Holder, who will then take full responsibility. Hopefully he'll take a vacation south of the border in a few years because maybe Mexico would be interested in prosecuting Holder.
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Posted: 10/23/2014 5:34:07 PM EDT
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The only hope now is a Republican control of Congress, and a fast-paced plan to prosecute this. Since Comrade Hussein only has 2 years left, I doubt they would be able to find the competency to make it happen, even if they skip orientation "week", and source their own iphones/smart phones (rather than use the Congress-provided phones).
This whole episode definitely is Nixonian, only people were murdered by the hundreds. The reason Nixon was able to be successfully de-throned was because he had an (R) next to his name, and he had just gotten re-elected. Obama can run the clock out on this one easily, but he is without an experienced man to handle that now that Holder is no longer AG. Republican "leadership" doesn't have the spine for it, and is too busy country clubbing, golfing, enjoying the perks of the career to be bothered. The Dems will continue to circle the wagons even if corpses were brought into the committee hearings with tagged and bagged guns, video surveillance, and the email chain of custody incriminating these vermin. I still have hope, but it is guarded with logic, but I've been surprised before. |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 6:07:12 PM EDT
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This is all part of the Holder resignation, there is a plan within the plan and somewhere, deep in this rabbit hole lies the answer. Drill baby, drill!
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MT, USA
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Posted: 10/23/2014 6:22:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
The only hope now is a Republican control of Congress, and a fast-paced plan to prosecute this. Since Comrade Hussein only has 2 years left, I doubt they would be able to find the competency to make it happen, even if they skip orientation "week", and source their own iphones/smart phones (rather than use the Congress-provided phones). This whole episode definitely is Nixonian, only people were murdered by the hundreds. The reason Nixon was able to be successfully de-throned was because he had an (R) next to his name, and he had just gotten re-elected. Obama can run the clock out on this one easily, but he is without an experienced man to handle that now that Holder is no longer AG. Republican "leadership" doesn't have the spine for it, and is too busy country clubbing, golfing, enjoying the perks of the career to be bothered. The Dems will continue to circle the wagons even if corpses were brought into the committee hearings with tagged and bagged guns, video surveillance, and the email chain of custody incriminating these vermin. I still have hope, but it is guarded with logic, but I've been surprised before. |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 11:12:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySo any guesses on what will and won't fly with the judge? So was Holder forwarding email to his wife for her to use for gun control or other purposes, or was he actually using her email in an attempt to avoid being subject to FOIA requests? |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 11:22:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX_M1:
So any guesses on what will and won't fly with the judge? So was Holder forwarding email to his wife for her to use for gun control or other purposes, or was he actually using her email in an attempt to avoid being subject to FOIA requests? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX_M1:
So any guesses on what will and won't fly with the judge? So was Holder forwarding email to his wife for her to use for gun control or other purposes, or was he actually using her email in an attempt to avoid being subject to FOIA requests? Their index is a joke. Just because something is "law enforcement sensitive" doesn't preclude disclosure. |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 11:22:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: miker84]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX_M1:
So any guesses on what will and won't fly with the judge? So was Holder forwarding email to his wife for her to use for gun control or other purposes, or was he actually using her email in an attempt to avoid being subject to FOIA requests? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX_M1:
So any guesses on what will and won't fly with the judge? So was Holder forwarding email to his wife for her to use for gun control or other purposes, or was he actually using her email in an attempt to avoid being subject to FOIA requests? Small print, but basically looks like EH and his wife were emailing back and forth regarding the matter on October 6, 2011. He forwarded a White House statement, she replied with hightlighting, etc. Edit. News from Oct 6, 2011. 
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-obama-on-fast-and-furious-i-certainly-was-not-aware-of-gunwalking/ 
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Posted: 10/24/2014 5:54:00 AM EDT
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I seem to be getting a lot of use out of thispic today.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/24/2014 6:08:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Breaking: Obama asserts exec privilege for fast and furious docs to holders wife. Nolo, does this hold up? Can the next President reverse this? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 6:14:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burbanite:
This is all part of the Holder resignation, there is a plan within the plan and somewhere, deep in this rabbit hole lies the answer. Drill baby, drill! If the republicans take the senate he will bail before they take office so the outgoing senators can confirm his replacement. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 6:59:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bob1946:
If the republicans take the senate he will bail before they take office so the outgoing senators can confirm his replacement. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By burbanite:
This is all part of the Holder resignation, there is a plan within the plan and somewhere, deep in this rabbit hole lies the answer. Drill baby, drill! If the republicans take the senate he will bail before they take office so the outgoing senators can confirm his replacement. Come 2016 I hope they give him a no knock raid and nice long prep walk, he can run to another nation, use the SEALS to bring him back..I am not joking, and with Ted Cruz this might happen.. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:44:27 AM EDT
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Couple of questions for you Nolo:
1. The DOJ labeled this as a Draft Index, does that mean they can revise it at a future date. 2. The information required for disclosure in the index hardly looks complete. Would you consider this responsive to the judges order? 3. What happens now? Does the judge look at individual documents to determine if privilege actually applies? 4. I believe DOJ is under order to release an index to the Oversight Committee by Nov. 2nd. Does the committee then compare the list to documents they have been given and look for discrepancies to take back to the judge? 5. Where does this go from here...... |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 12:49:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:55:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By diestone:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/10/valerie-jarrett-key-player-fast-furious-cover-holder-lied-congress/ emails from jarret to holder the day after the story broke, you don't say? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 2:12:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xjronx:
emails from jarret to holder the day after the story broke, you don't say? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xjronx:
Originally Posted By diestone:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/10/valerie-jarrett-key-player-fast-furious-cover-holder-lied-congress/ emails from jarret to holder the day after the story broke, you don't say? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile But the white house was totally unawares. Totally. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 2:30:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frog_Legs:
Couple of questions for you Nolo: 1. The DOJ labeled this as a Draft Index, does that mean they can revise it at a future date. 2. The information required for disclosure in the index hardly looks complete. Would you consider this responsive to the judges order? 3. What happens now? Does the judge look at individual documents to determine if privilege actually applies? 4. I believe DOJ is under order to release an index to the Oversight Committee by Nov. 2nd. Does the committee then compare the list to documents they have been given and look for discrepancies to take back to the judge? 5. Where does this go from here...... 1) I believe the DOJ is under a duty to supplement as a matter of course. 2) Mostly responsive, but probably not 100% 3) That's what the judge should do. an in camera inspection of documents. 4) Probably 5) Where does it go? What difference, at this point, does it make? On what planet does the DOJ live? Under what rules are they operating under? Congress requested documents and the Department of Justice refused. A private group sued and the judge ordered the index turned over, but they still haven't turned it over to Congress? Is that a joke? Why on earth is Holder sending shit to his wife? To his WIFE!? Is that a joke? Executive privilege? Deliberative process with his WIFE? I don't know under what theory deliberative process applies to his WIFE. This is an absolute travesty that destroys the rule of law, or at least opens peoples eyes that there isn't really a law that rules us all. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 5:49:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
1) I believe the DOJ is under a duty to supplement as a matter of course. 2) Mostly responsive, but probably not 100% 3) That's what the judge should do. an in camera inspection of documents. 4) Probably 5) Where does it go? What difference, at this point, does it make? On what planet does the DOJ live? Under what rules are they operating under? Congress requested documents and the Department of Justice refused. A private group sued and the judge ordered the index turned over, but they still haven't turned it over to Congress? Is that a joke? Why on earth is Holder sending shit to his wife? To his WIFE!? Is that a joke? Executive privilege? Deliberative process with his WIFE? I don't know under what theory deliberative process applies to his WIFE. This is an absolute travesty that destroys the rule of law, or at least opens peoples eyes that there isn't really a law that rules us all. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By Frog_Legs:
Couple of questions for you Nolo: 1. The DOJ labeled this as a Draft Index, does that mean they can revise it at a future date. 2. The information required for disclosure in the index hardly looks complete. Would you consider this responsive to the judges order? 3. What happens now? Does the judge look at individual documents to determine if privilege actually applies? 4. I believe DOJ is under order to release an index to the Oversight Committee by Nov. 2nd. Does the committee then compare the list to documents they have been given and look for discrepancies to take back to the judge? 5. Where does this go from here...... 1) I believe the DOJ is under a duty to supplement as a matter of course. 2) Mostly responsive, but probably not 100% 3) That's what the judge should do. an in camera inspection of documents. 4) Probably 5) Where does it go? What difference, at this point, does it make? On what planet does the DOJ live? Under what rules are they operating under? Congress requested documents and the Department of Justice refused. A private group sued and the judge ordered the index turned over, but they still haven't turned it over to Congress? Is that a joke? Why on earth is Holder sending shit to his wife? To his WIFE!? Is that a joke? Executive privilege? Deliberative process with his WIFE? I don't know under what theory deliberative process applies to his WIFE. This is an absolute travesty that destroys the rule of law, or at least opens peoples eyes that there isn't really a law that rules us all. There will become a time where ordinary people give just as much lip service to the rule of law as the governemnt does. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 6:34:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alphajaguars:
There will become a time where ordinary people give just as much lip service to the rule of law as the governemnt does. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alphajaguars:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By Frog_Legs:
Couple of questions for you Nolo: 1. The DOJ labeled this as a Draft Index, does that mean they can revise it at a future date. 2. The information required for disclosure in the index hardly looks complete. Would you consider this responsive to the judges order? 3. What happens now? Does the judge look at individual documents to determine if privilege actually applies? 4. I believe DOJ is under order to release an index to the Oversight Committee by Nov. 2nd. Does the committee then compare the list to documents they have been given and look for discrepancies to take back to the judge? 5. Where does this go from here...... 1) I believe the DOJ is under a duty to supplement as a matter of course. 2) Mostly responsive, but probably not 100% 3) That's what the judge should do. an in camera inspection of documents. 4) Probably 5) Where does it go? What difference, at this point, does it make? On what planet does the DOJ live? Under what rules are they operating under? Congress requested documents and the Department of Justice refused. A private group sued and the judge ordered the index turned over, but they still haven't turned it over to Congress? Is that a joke? Why on earth is Holder sending shit to his wife? To his WIFE!? Is that a joke? Executive privilege? Deliberative process with his WIFE? I don't know under what theory deliberative process applies to his WIFE. This is an absolute travesty that destroys the rule of law, or at least opens peoples eyes that there isn't really a law that rules us all. There will become a time where ordinary people give just as much lip service to the rule of law as the governemnt does. And there may come a time that ordinary people hold the people in government to the rule of law, if it happens that way, what a day for freedom that will be. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 6:55:48 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hugh1:
And there may come a time that ordinary people hold the people in government to the rule of law, if it happens that way, what a day for freedom that will be. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hugh1:
Originally Posted By alphajaguars:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By Frog_Legs:
Couple of questions for you Nolo: 1. The DOJ labeled this as a Draft Index, does that mean they can revise it at a future date. 2. The information required for disclosure in the index hardly looks complete. Would you consider this responsive to the judges order? 3. What happens now? Does the judge look at individual documents to determine if privilege actually applies? 4. I believe DOJ is under order to release an index to the Oversight Committee by Nov. 2nd. Does the committee then compare the list to documents they have been given and look for discrepancies to take back to the judge? 5. Where does this go from here...... 1) I believe the DOJ is under a duty to supplement as a matter of course. 2) Mostly responsive, but probably not 100% 3) That's what the judge should do. an in camera inspection of documents. 4) Probably 5) Where does it go? What difference, at this point, does it make? On what planet does the DOJ live? Under what rules are they operating under? Congress requested documents and the Department of Justice refused. A private group sued and the judge ordered the index turned over, but they still haven't turned it over to Congress? Is that a joke? Why on earth is Holder sending shit to his wife? To his WIFE!? Is that a joke? Executive privilege? Deliberative process with his WIFE? I don't know under what theory deliberative process applies to his WIFE. This is an absolute travesty that destroys the rule of law, or at least opens peoples eyes that there isn't really a law that rules us all. There will become a time where ordinary people give just as much lip service to the rule of law as the governemnt does. And there may come a time that ordinary people hold the people in government to the rule of law, if it happens that way, what a day for freedom that will be. That day can't come soon enough..I pray when it gets here, we(the American people) don't stop short.........I pray those who have brought this pay dearly for it and it becomes a lesson that last for all millennia...... |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 7:13:20 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xxprince:
They all seem to be untouchable This is like a bad fucking dream. How can it be real?
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Posted: 10/24/2014 7:16:55 PM EDT
[#42]
I spent an hour searching that doc list. Saw a lot of names that I'd forgotten about. Lots of emails flying around. Mcallister, Newell, Dodson, OReilly, etc.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 7:41:35 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alphajaguars: There will become a time where ordinary people give just as much lip service to the rule of law as the governemnt does. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alphajaguars: Originally Posted By NoloContendere: Originally Posted By Frog_Legs: Couple of questions for you Nolo: 1. The DOJ labeled this as a Draft Index, does that mean they can revise it at a future date. 2. The information required for disclosure in the index hardly looks complete. Would you consider this responsive to the judges order? 3. What happens now? Does the judge look at individual documents to determine if privilege actually applies? 4. I believe DOJ is under order to release an index to the Oversight Committee by Nov. 2nd. Does the committee then compare the list to documents they have been given and look for discrepancies to take back to the judge? 5. Where does this go from here...... 1) I believe the DOJ is under a duty to supplement as a matter of course. 2) Mostly responsive, but probably not 100% 3) That's what the judge should do. an in camera inspection of documents. 4) Probably 5) Where does it go? What difference, at this point, does it make? On what planet does the DOJ live? Under what rules are they operating under? Congress requested documents and the Department of Justice refused. A private group sued and the judge ordered the index turned over, but they still haven't turned it over to Congress? Is that a joke? Why on earth is Holder sending shit to his wife? To his WIFE!? Is that a joke? Executive privilege? Deliberative process with his WIFE? I don't know under what theory deliberative process applies to his WIFE. This is an absolute travesty that destroys the rule of law, or at least opens peoples eyes that there isn't really a law that rules us all. There will become a time where ordinary people give just as much lip service to the rule of law as the governemnt does. "Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy." - Justice Louis D. Brandeis |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 7:47:09 PM EDT
[#44]
Today is Friday....therefore something will be dumped tomorrow, swept under the rug on Sunday, and by Monday we will be back to Ebola coverage.
In the history of this country and the presidency, there has never been a more blatant abuse of the powers of the Executive branch nor as much complete ignorance when it comes to the constitution. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 7:56:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Frog_Legs]
[#45]
Apparently Valerie Jarrett's name was in there somewhere also.
Link to article: Read all About it Here Opps, looks like this was already cover above. Still worth reposting for anyone who missed it.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:18:49 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By diestone: http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/10/valerie-jarrett-key-player-fast-furious-cover-holder-lied-congress/ So Obama's closest adviser is in touch with Holder almost as soon as the story breaks? Obama knew nothing about any of this? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:23:57 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman:
This is like a bad fucking dream. How can it be real? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman:
Originally Posted By xxprince:
They all seem to be untouchable This is like a bad fucking dream. How can it be real? A fucking nightmare. I expected this kind of shit out of the totalitarian governments my wife and I lived with overseas. Didn't figure I'd actually see it here at home. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:28:45 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alphajaguars:
There will become a time where ordinary people give just as much lip service to the rule of law as the governemnt does. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alphajaguars:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By Frog_Legs:
Couple of questions for you Nolo: 1. The DOJ labeled this as a Draft Index, does that mean they can revise it at a future date. 2. The information required for disclosure in the index hardly looks complete. Would you consider this responsive to the judges order? 3. What happens now? Does the judge look at individual documents to determine if privilege actually applies? 4. I believe DOJ is under order to release an index to the Oversight Committee by Nov. 2nd. Does the committee then compare the list to documents they have been given and look for discrepancies to take back to the judge? 5. Where does this go from here...... 1) I believe the DOJ is under a duty to supplement as a matter of course. 2) Mostly responsive, but probably not 100% 3) That's what the judge should do. an in camera inspection of documents. 4) Probably 5) Where does it go? What difference, at this point, does it make? On what planet does the DOJ live? Under what rules are they operating under? Congress requested documents and the Department of Justice refused. A private group sued and the judge ordered the index turned over, but they still haven't turned it over to Congress? Is that a joke? Why on earth is Holder sending shit to his wife? To his WIFE!? Is that a joke? Executive privilege? Deliberative process with his WIFE? I don't know under what theory deliberative process applies to his WIFE. This is an absolute travesty that destroys the rule of law, or at least opens peoples eyes that there isn't really a law that rules us all. There will become a time where ordinary people give just as much lip service to the rule of law as the governemnt does. Sure does impart a certain perspective with respect to the unconstitutional crap these guys throw at us every day, doesn't it? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:14:21 PM EDT
[#49]
Search the lists for "blog"
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:26:20 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xxprince:
They all seem to be untouchable With a group of Ex-SEALS who want to really serve their nation, no one us untouchable...Just an idea, a playful thought nothing more... Nolo can the next President go after Eric Holder and resent what ever protections this moron set forth? |
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