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Posted: 8/8/2014 8:46:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI wonder when the Judicial branch will realize they have zero authority in this brave new world? |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 8:48:33 PM EDT
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They were saved on the Lois Lerner file server.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 7:57:40 PM EDT
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David Codrea: ‘No Angel’ Dobyns writes open letter to congress on anniversary of home arson
Retired Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent and author Jay Dobyns released an open letter to Congress on Saturday marking the sixth anniversary of the arson of his home, torched after ATF management failed to provide adequate security following a highly dangerous and protracted undercover investigation.
Dobyns is the plaintiff in a contract dispute suit in which he maintains that, following an undercover operation in which he infiltrated the Hells Angels (a story documented in his book “No Angel: My Harrowing Undercover Journey to the Inner Circle of the Hells Angels”), ATF violated an agreement he had with the agency to protect him and his family after credible threats of violence were made. His fears were realized when his house was set ablaze with his wife and children inside, and his alienation from management became complete after the bureau attempted to smear his reputation by maliciously pursuing him as a suspect, despite “two of the nation’s leading arson investigators determined that [he] was not involved." Letter PDF |
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Posted: 8/10/2014 11:44:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryActually it looks like the judge orderd DOJ to turn over an indexed list of the documents, not the documents themselves. All of which are most likely long gone by now. |
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Posted: 8/11/2014 12:05:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mach:
Actually it looks like the judge orderd DOJ to turn over an indexed list of the documents, not the documents themselves. All of which are most likely long gone by now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mach:
Actually it looks like the judge orderd DOJ to turn over an indexed list of the documents, not the documents themselves. All of which are most likely long gone by now. And if the documents no longer exist, there's no need for the DOinJ to list them on the indexed list. I guess if one branch figures out that they can just respond with a semi-polite "fuck off", the system of checks and balances no longer works. |
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Posted: 8/11/2014 12:26:31 AM EDT
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Interesting that more available internal White House evidence existed from the Nixon era with the phone tapes than in the current information age.
It will be easy to delay this for another 26 months. That's a child's play lawyer move for Eric Holder and his team. |
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Posted: 8/15/2014 9:40:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: hugh1]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
Interesting that more available internal White House evidence existed from the Nixon era with the phone tapes than in the current information age. It will be easy to delay this for another 26 months. That's a child's play lawyer move for Eric Holder and his team. No if the country is to survive the rule of law must also. Edit; *If this one does not make it. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 6:25:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LRRPF52]
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What ever happened to the 14 different DOJ investigations of the Clinton's receiving illegal foreign campaign money from China, and that's just the first election?
People died, and nobody testified. It seems to me that the Senate and House Committees are perfectly happy to let this one die, as there isn't enough crying about it from voters. Even if Oliver Stone made a box office hit over this, it would go nowhere. People would watch it in the theaters, be stunned for a few moments as the credits rolled, then see if they could go grab another pile of popcorn and soda on the way out of the theater, feeling a little more disillusioned than before, but not much more. Eric Holder has been successfully committing high crimes against the United States since he was a black militant in college. His consequences? Promotion after promotion into the highest levels of the Justice Department, over 3 Administrations now, with corrupt law firms in between. He has the highest respect of at least half of Congress for being able to get away with so much crime, to the point that they envy him. The few remaining Boy Scouts on the Hill are in the minority who actually believe in rule of law, justice, and the American way. Those concepts have been a joke on Capitol Hill for well over a Century. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 6:37:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
What ever happened to the 14 different DOJ investigations of the Clinton's receiving illegal foreign campaign money from China, and that's just the first election? People died, and nobody testified. It seems to me that the Senate and House Committees are perfectly happy to let this one die, as there isn't enough crying about it from voters. Even of Oliver Stone made a box office hit over this, it would go nowhere. People would watch it in the theaters, be stunned for a few moments as the credits rolled, then see if they could go grab another pile of popcorn and soda on the way out of the theater, feeling a little more disillusioned than before, but not much more. Eric Holder has been successfully committing high crimes against the United States since he was a black militant in college. His consequences? Promotion after promotion into the highest levels of the Justice Department, over 3 Administrations now, with corrupt law firms in between. He has the highest respect of at least half of Congress for being able to get away with so much crime, to the point that they envy him. The few remaining Boy Scouts on the Hill are in the minority who actually believe in rule of law, justice, and the American way. Those concepts have been a joke on Capitol Hill for well over a Century. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 6:49:20 PM EDT
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Obama said he would find who was responsible and hold them accountable.
We just have to wait. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:06:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mister_H:
Obama said he would find who was responsible and hold them accountable. We just have to wait. Meanwhile Eric holder goes to ferguson to investigate and sends 40 FBI agents to assist. What a complete joke of an AG. |
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Posted: 8/20/2014 11:12:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Meanwhile Eric holder goes to ferguson to investigate and sends 40 FBI agents to assist. What a complete joke of an AG. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By Mister_H:
Obama said he would find who was responsible and hold them accountable. We just have to wait. Meanwhile Eric holder goes to ferguson to investigate and sends 40 FBI agents to assist. What a complete joke of an AG. I guess the Mexicans' weren't brown enough for him to care about... |
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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:51:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Garryowen:
I guess the Mexicans' weren't brown enough for him to care about... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Garryowen:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By Mister_H:
Obama said he would find who was responsible and hold them accountable. We just have to wait. Meanwhile Eric holder goes to ferguson to investigate and sends 40 FBI agents to assist. What a complete joke of an AG. I guess the Mexicans' weren't brown enough for him to care about... nope, and worse, he actually facilitated those murders. |
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Posted: 8/20/2014 3:57:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
nope, and worse, he actually facilitated those murders. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By Garryowen:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By Mister_H:
Obama said he would find who was responsible and hold them accountable. We just have to wait. Meanwhile Eric holder goes to ferguson to investigate and sends 40 FBI agents to assist. What a complete joke of an AG. I guess the Mexicans' weren't brown enough for him to care about... nope, and worse, he actually facilitated those murders. Yeah, but it was for your protection. Those evil assault rifles need to be banned, and this was just the first step to midlead America. TXL |
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Posted: 8/20/2014 4:07:03 PM EDT
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If you could be a fly on the wall in Washington D.C., you would truly learn how evil some of these creatures really are.
It isn't surprising that nothing is being done about Fast & Furious. Maybe we need to launch another phone campaign and see what happens, as the Country is beyond apathetic at this point. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 1:15:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Everrest]
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FoxNews: Fast and Furious documents must be provided to Congress, judge rules
WASHINGTON – A federal judge has ordered the Justice Department to provide Congress with a list of documents that are at the center of a long-running battle over a failed law enforcement program called Operation Fast and Furious.
In a court proceeding Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson set an Oct. 1 deadline for producing the list to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. The Justice Department says the documents should remain confidential and President Barack Obama has invoked executive privilege in an effort to protect them from public disclosure. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:04:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: hugh1]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Everrest:
FoxNews: Fast and Furious documents must be provided to Congress, judge rules More at link. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Everrest:
FoxNews: Fast and Furious documents must be provided to Congress, judge rules WASHINGTON – A federal judge has ordered the Justice Department to provide Congress with a list of documents that are at the center of a long-running battle over a failed law enforcement program called Operation Fast and Furious.
In a court proceeding Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson set an Oct. 1 deadline for producing the list to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. The Justice Department says the documents should remain confidential and President Barack Obama has invoked executive privilege in an effort to protect them from public disclosure. Edit; To be accurate it is a AP story ran by Fox |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:59:30 AM EDT
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This story claims that the guy that was running grenade bodies and fuses down to Mexico was owned by the ATF. It also claims the ATF leaders at the time had given him their blessing once they found out about it.
Cartel Grenades Explode Back into the News The grenades, like the Iron River of ATF-sourced guns, were delivered to the cartels and to Mexico with the approval of Phoenix Group VII (SA’s Voth and McAllister inter alia), and the local US Attorney and an Assistant (Dennis K. Burke and Emory Hurley). The grenade-walking was also blessed by every layer of ATF and DOJ supervision. This included the Phoenix SACs and all management levels up to then-director Kenneth Melson and AG Eric Holder. Particularly responsible, apart from Voth and McAllister, were Phoenix field division SAC Bill Newell and Current Director Byron Todd Jones participated in the planning of the gun- and grenade-walking from his position in faraway Minnesota, as a trusted intimate of Holder. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:03:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burbanite:
Hearings, I used to think some good might come from them but other than watching Trey Gowdy verbally destroy people they seem to be useless. I might be a little jaded though... Corruption, obfuscation and absolute lawlessness is all I ever expect. Anything else in just a nice surprise. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:12:49 AM EDT
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We're just numb to it and the rest of the population doesn't care unless it is something easy and short-lived.
Maybe we could start a F&F ice bucket challenge. 
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:25:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 74novaman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Meanwhile Eric holder goes to ferguson to investigate and sends 40 FBI agents to assist. What a complete joke of an AG. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By Mister_H:
Obama said he would find who was responsible and hold them accountable. We just have to wait. Meanwhile Eric holder goes to ferguson to investigate and sends 40 FBI agents to assist. What a complete joke of an AG. He's not a joke. He's doing exactly what he was appointed to do, and has been pretty effective at it. From Obamas perspective, Holder has been an outstanding AG.  
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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:31:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: hugh1]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman:
He's not a joke. He's doing exactly what he was appointed to do, and has been pretty effective at it. From Obamas perspective, Holder has been an outstanding AG partner in crime.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By Mister_H:
Obama said he would find who was responsible and hold them accountable. We just have to wait. Meanwhile Eric holder goes to ferguson to investigate and sends 40 FBI agents to assist. What a complete joke of an AG. He's not a joke. He's doing exactly what he was appointed to do, and has been pretty effective at it. From Obamas perspective, Holder has been an outstanding AG partner in crime.
Edit; Yes Obama knows and does nothing about it, it tells one that he is doing what Obama wants. |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 3:42:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2014 4:26:53 PM EDT
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He's like a caricature of George Orwell's 1984 Doublespeak.
Alternate universe, he's from there. |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 10:04:25 AM EDT
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Lunatpp: REESE UPDATE: Motion to Vacate Felony Convictions
The court appointed attorneys in the Reese case have filed a joint motion to vacate (throw out) the felony convictions and sentence them under a misdemeanor statute.
Rick, Terri and Ryin Reese were convicted in 2011 of four counts of Form 4473 (Brady check) violations. According to agents who testified during trial, the Reeses ran all of the required background checks (the Brady checks) through the FBI processing center for all sales, including the undercover agents who purchased the firearms, and that none of the paperwork was missing. Jurors acquitted the Reeses of all charges that involved conspiracy, firearms smuggling and straw purchases involving Penny Torres. Torres admitted to being a straw purchaser for mid-level Mexican cartel member Jose Roman. In order to acquit the Reeses of those counts, the jury presumably would have had to reach a decision that the Reeses were fooled by Penny Torres and did not know that Torres was acting as a straw purchaser, or that Roman was a cartel member. However, when it came to the undercover operations, the jurors decision to convict them of four counts of paperwork violations seemed to indicate they believed the Reeses “knew” the guns being sold to undercover agents were actually being straw purchased for mid-level Mexican cartel member Jose Roman, and that they had learned or already knew Roman was a cartel member. The Reeses were convicted of violating (federal statutes) Title 18 U.S.C. 924(a)(1)(A) for knowing the named purchaser (an undercover agent) was not the actual purchaser (Mexican cartel member Roman). Violations of this straw purchasing statute carries a sentence of a fine and ”imprison[ment] not more than five years or both.” However, further down in the same section of Title 18 U.S.C. 924(a)(3) there is an exception for licensed firearms dealers (FFLs), which carries a fine and “imprison[ment] not more than one year, or both.” It is important to note that both of these sections are under the section “924? , therefore “pari materia” applies. Statutes that apply to the same subject (“in pari materia”) must be interpreted in light of each other – they must be construed together. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 5:27:08 PM EDT
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http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2014/09/holder-presses-delay-on-fast-and-furious-documents-195556.html
Holder presses delay on Fast and Furious documents
By JOSH GERSTEIN | 9/16/14 9:18 AM EDT Attorney General Eric Holder is again asking a federal court to delay the transfer of disputed documents relating to Operation Fast and Furious to a House committee. In a new court filing Monday night, Justice Department lawyers asked U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson not to require Holder to turn over any of the roughly 64,000 pages of documents to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee until after her rulings can be appealed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. "The Department respectfully submits that it would be preferable for the parties, this Court, and the D.C. Circuit — if an appeal were taken — to have any injunctive order await the conclusion of the district court litigation to allow for orderly and complete appellate proceedings," DOJ lawyers wrote. Jackson has previously denied DOJ permission to file an immediate appeal, although lawyers for Holder indicated in the new filing (posted here) that they may do so anyway. Any appeal is likely to take months and perhaps more than a year to resolve. If that process does not begin until Jackson rules definitively on the the executive privilege claim President Barack Obama has made for many of the documents, the timeline for the case being resolved could begin to approach the end of the Obama administration. The documents in dispute relate to the Justice Department's response to congressional and media inquiries about Fast and Furious, a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives operation that appears to have resulted in as many as 2,000 weapons reaching Mexican narcotraffickers through a tactic known as gunwalking. Holder has denounced and banned the practice, which he said he and other senior department officials did not know about. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 6:02:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Everrest:
By JOSH GERSTEIN | 9/16/14 9:18 AM EDT Attorney General Eric Holder is again.... the end of the Obama administration. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Everrest:
Holder presses delay on Fast and Furious documents By JOSH GERSTEIN | 9/16/14 9:18 AM EDT Attorney General Eric Holder is again.... the end of the Obama administration. Just as I was figuring out how not to let my head explode... |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 6:10:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burbanite:
Just as I was figuring out how not to let my head explode... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burbanite:
Originally Posted By Everrest:
Holder presses delay on Fast and Furious documents By JOSH GERSTEIN | 9/16/14 9:18 AM EDT Attorney General Eric Holder is again.... the end of the Obama administration. Just as I was figuring out how not to let my head explode... Then you probably don't want to think about the pardons that will be signed, with no mention in the news media, by the next president. ...if the democrats win the next presidential election. Put it off until the end of his term. Prevent another scandal before the election. Democrats win the White House. Pardons all around. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 10:17:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN:
Then you probably don't want to think about the pardons that will be signed, with no mention in the news media, by the next president. ...if the democrats win the next presidential election. Put it off until the end of his term. Prevent another scandal before the election. Democrats win the White House. Pardons all around. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN:
Originally Posted By burbanite:
Originally Posted By Everrest:
Holder presses delay on Fast and Furious documents By JOSH GERSTEIN | 9/16/14 9:18 AM EDT Attorney General Eric Holder is again.... the end of the Obama administration. Just as I was figuring out how not to let my head explode... Then you probably don't want to think about the pardons that will be signed, with no mention in the news media, by the next president. ...if the democrats win the next presidential election. Put it off until the end of his term. Prevent another scandal before the election. Democrats win the White House. Pardons all around. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 10:35:12 PM EDT
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Nothing is going to come from any of this, at least not through the system. But people are already considering it when they decide whether or not they give a fuck about obeying the law.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 10:50:20 PM EDT
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I wish this could get a little more play in the press
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Posted: 9/25/2014 10:43:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Stokes]
[#32]
Holder is quitting. This should make it more fun.
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Posted: 9/25/2014 10:50:28 AM EDT
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Any news?
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Posted: 9/25/2014 11:00:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stokes:
Holder is quitting. This should make it more fun. Not until his successor is confirmed. Meaningless. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 12:50:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ProfGAB101]
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Resignation expected 4:30pm (Eastern time)
Hannity will be covering. ( Too little, Too late ) |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 5:01:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: hugh1]
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One would have to conclude that Holder believes the unthinkable is happening, the Republicans are going to take the senate. This makes him useless at protecting the Administration and there criminal activities.
PS, don't forget to vote. 
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Posted: 9/25/2014 5:07:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whiskerz:
I wish this could get a little more play in the press That might be why he is finally doing something in the middle east, to keep this out of the news. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 5:33:34 PM EDT
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FUEH
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Posted: 9/25/2014 5:49:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN:
Yep. The prosecution will no longer find me to be someone they want on a jury, for a gun law violation case. Ironically over the last 5 years I have served on two juries, both involved some form of gun charge. I said nothing alarming in any interview/jury selection. During deliberations in both cases I let it be known from the begging that no matter what the evidence showed, my vote on the firearms charge would be NOT GUILTY and would not change. I was not popular with the other jurors ...... but I did not care. Gun Charge? Oh yeah .... NOT GUILTY !!!!!!! I cannot in good conscience be party to sending someone to prison for having a firearm. I believe in the US Constitution !!!!!!!!!! . |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 5:58:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By hugh1: Obama might go to prison.
This will never happen ... before a whisper of it occurring the bastard would Pardon HIMSELF .... and then ALL OTHERS. . |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 7:19:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oldschoolimages:
This will never happen ... before a whisper of it occurring the bastard would Pardon HIMSELF .... and then ALL OTHERS. . Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oldschoolimages:
Originally Posted By hugh1: Obama might go to prison.
This will never happen ... before a whisper of it occurring the bastard would Pardon HIMSELF .... and then ALL OTHERS. .
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Posted: 9/25/2014 8:31:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: oldschoolimages]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hugh1:
A person can not be president if they have committed high Crimes and Misdemeanors. If he were to sign a self pardon he would be in effect telling you and I that he was not qualified to be president and the pardon would be void. In the case of Nixon you will recall that Ford pardoned him as he could not do it him self. Nixon's only crime was perjury Obama's most likely range from murder to treason. The next president might fell that no pardon is deserved in Obama's case. Obama and Holder have boxed themselves into a corner the problem is that it will take time and people of honor to fix the problem, commodities that we are lacking at this time.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hugh1:
Originally Posted By oldschoolimages:
Originally Posted By hugh1: Obama might go to prison.
This will never happen ... before a whisper of it occurring the bastard would Pardon HIMSELF .... and then ALL OTHERS. .
Actually a US President does have the authority to Pardon himself. Of course if you want to show me in the Constitution or US Law where is says a President cannot pardon himself ..... I'm all ears. Not looking for opinion, or anything like that ..... legal citation only, please! ;) Good luck! Self-pardon is not restricted by law, and under interpretation by the Supreme Court, a president could have the right to pardon himself not only for crimes he has committed, but also for crimes with which he has not yet been charged. As of yet, no president has actually pardoned himself for committing crimes or from actions that might later be considered crimes. ETA: It is an interesting question but the consensus is that a US President can Pardon himself .....even President Clinton acknowledged he had the power to do so, but he promised that he would not use that power on himself. As it stands now, constitutionally, legally, the US President does have the power to Pardon himself ....not only for known crimes he might have committed but also for crimes not yet discovered. This is something I have done a little research on, and do ever more when the question comes up. I do believe there is one way he could be prevented from Pardoning himself ... but it would take a level of secrecy within the US Congress that the US Congress is not capable of. The only thing a Pardon cannot stop would be an Impeachment process. He could Pardon himself which would mean he could not be criminally charged for a crime .... bit he still could be impeached and removed. That is why Nixon and Clinton did not do it ..... it does not stop Impeachment. 
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Posted: 9/25/2014 11:01:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oldschoolimages:
Actually a US President does have the authority to Pardon himself. Of course if you want to show me in the Constitution or US Law where is says a President cannot pardon himself ..... I'm all ears. Not looking for opinion, or anything like that ..... legal citation only, please! ;) Good luck! ETA: It is an interesting question but the consensus is that a US President can Pardon himself .....even President Clinton acknowledged he had the power to do so, but he promised that he would not use that power on himself. As it stands now, constitutionally, legally, the US President does have the power to Pardon himself ....not only for known crimes he might have committed but also for crimes not yet discovered. This is something I have done a little research on, and do ever more when the question comes up. I do believe there is one way he could be prevented from Pardoning himself ... but it would take a level of secrecy within the US Congress that the US Congress is not capable of. The only thing a Pardon cannot stop would be an Impeachment process. He could Pardon himself which would mean he could not be criminally charged for a crime .... bit he still could be impeached and removed. That is why Nixon and Clinton did not do it ..... it does not stop Impeachment. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oldschoolimages:
Originally Posted By hugh1:
Originally Posted By oldschoolimages:
Originally Posted By hugh1: Obama might go to prison.
This will never happen ... before a whisper of it occurring the bastard would Pardon HIMSELF .... and then ALL OTHERS. .
Actually a US President does have the authority to Pardon himself. Of course if you want to show me in the Constitution or US Law where is says a President cannot pardon himself ..... I'm all ears. Not looking for opinion, or anything like that ..... legal citation only, please! ;) Good luck! Self-pardon is not restricted by law, and under interpretation by the Supreme Court, a president could have the right to pardon himself not only for crimes he has committed, but also for crimes with which he has not yet been charged. As of yet, no president has actually pardoned himself for committing crimes or from actions that might later be considered crimes. ETA: It is an interesting question but the consensus is that a US President can Pardon himself .....even President Clinton acknowledged he had the power to do so, but he promised that he would not use that power on himself. As it stands now, constitutionally, legally, the US President does have the power to Pardon himself ....not only for known crimes he might have committed but also for crimes not yet discovered. This is something I have done a little research on, and do ever more when the question comes up. I do believe there is one way he could be prevented from Pardoning himself ... but it would take a level of secrecy within the US Congress that the US Congress is not capable of. The only thing a Pardon cannot stop would be an Impeachment process. He could Pardon himself which would mean he could not be criminally charged for a crime .... bit he still could be impeached and removed. That is why Nixon and Clinton did not do it ..... it does not stop Impeachment. Impeachment, in the U.S. and Great Britain, proceeding by a legislature for the removal from office of a public official charged with misconduct in office. Impeachment comprises both the act of formulating the accusation and the resulting trial of the charges; it is frequently but erroneously taken to mean only the removal from office of an accused public official. An impeachment trial may result in either an acquittal or in a verdict of guilty. In the latter case the impeached official is removed from office; if the charges warrant such action, the official is also remanded to the proper authorities for trial before a court.." Either that or he has absolute power, and I can't see the SCOTUS giving him that.
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Posted: 9/26/2014 8:11:39 PM EDT
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Ah, blast from the past.
I'm gonna miss sitting behind him at congressional hearings while whispering "you killed Brian Terry". In this AP photo, he is asking his staff "Who keeps saying that?" while his security detail chuckles about me identifying their sidearms.  .
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Posted: 9/26/2014 9:15:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By miker84:
Ah, blast from the past. I'm gonna miss sitting behind him at congressional hearings while whispering "you killed Brian Terry". In this AP photo, he is asking his staff "Who keeps saying that?" while his security detail chuckles about me identifying their sidearms. <a href="http://s588.photobucket.com/user/miker84/media/ARFCOM/AP1112081680.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss328/miker84/ARFCOM/AP1112081680.jpg</a>.  
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Posted: 9/26/2014 9:17:35 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By miker84:
Ah, blast from the past. I'm gonna miss sitting behind him at congressional hearings while whispering "you killed Brian Terry". In this AP photo, he is asking his staff "Who keeps saying that?" while his security detail chuckles about me identifying their sidearms. <a href="http://s588.photobucket.com/user/miker84/media/ARFCOM/AP1112081680.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss328/miker84/ARFCOM/AP1112081680.jpg</a>. I was supposed to be there that hearing too.
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Posted: 9/27/2014 9:01:47 AM EDT
[#47]
Bravo! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By miker84:
Ah, blast from the past. I'm gonna miss sitting behind him at congressional hearings while whispering "you killed Brian Terry". In this AP photo, he is asking his staff "Who keeps saying that?" while his security detail chuckles about me identifying their sidearms. <a href="http://s588.photobucket.com/user/miker84/media/ARFCOM/AP1112081680.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss328/miker84/ARFCOM/AP1112081680.jpg</a>. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 10:45:45 AM EDT
[#48]
I wonder if the Romanian-made Cugir semiautomatic rifle, similar to an AK-47, that Oscar R. Ortega-Hernandez had purchased at an Idaho gun shop - was a F&F item.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 6:26:10 PM EDT
[#49]
Okay, If the Index is released, and given to Issa. What happens if Issa has documents NOT on the index?
Are they automatically fair game to wave in Holder's face? Can Gowdy get a fresh boner? Take a deep breath and spray Holder's face to establish dominance? Can the judge give Holder a spanking for filing a false document in response to a court order? I FUCKIN' WANT SOMEBODY TO PAY FOR THIS SHIT!!!!! I WANT GOWDY TO CALL CUMMINS UP ON OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE CHARGES, AND GO FROM THERE! ALL THE WAY UP THE LADDER! AND EVERYONE OF US SHOULD VOLUNTEER TO HOLD IT STEADY!! FBHO, FUEH, FUEC, FUHC, and FU Mexico, for not standing up for your own people, killed by these pieces of shit. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 9:50:04 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By miker84:
Ah, blast from the past. I'm gonna miss sitting behind him at congressional hearings while whispering "you killed Brian Terry". In this AP photo, he is asking his staff "Who keeps saying that?" while his security detail chuckles about me identifying their sidearms. <a href="http://s588.photobucket.com/user/miker84/media/ARFCOM/AP1112081680.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss328/miker84/ARFCOM/AP1112081680.jpg</a>. YOU ARE A GOD!!!!
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