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Posted: 6/22/2012 2:54:03 PM
Originally Posted By Lumpy03:
does anyone happen to know if Rush's broadcasts are archived and available ? They are, but as far as I know, they are recorded directly (not over the air) so the FCC (or whatever it was) "interruption" would not be on those archives. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 2:59:52 PM
ah.. thanks. will call my local station.
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Posted: 6/22/2012 3:08:17 PM
Originally Posted By Lumpy03:
No surprise–– I may have been recording Rush (but not listening) at that time- let me check ! Eta: Friggin' DRAT !! My iPhone using "Tune-In Radio" app Stopped recording Rush at the end of the previous segment ending at 1300 Eastern ! Sounds tin-foily, yes (no disrespect intended) But I HAVE EXPERIENCED THE VERY SAME THING SEVERAL TIMES ! When something earth-shaking was on the news.. suddenly, LOUSY RECEPTION. When GWB was giving an address (don't recall time, date, or subject ) and it was HOT SHIT - ZAP.. no picture or audio on my Satellite TV. Curious. Now I'm really baffled by this. I know I heard it ... I know it occurred as he was switching from explaining Wide Receiver to getting really in-depth about F&F ... but I can't find any mention of it on the web. I searched various keywords, all within the last hour. Nothing 
I wonder if it was my local radio station that did it? They have him on a delay system. Maybe they didn't like where it was heading? I live in a very blue state 
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Posted: 6/22/2012 3:11:20 PM
[Last Edit: 6/22/2012 3:17:27 PM by lilMAC25]
Originally Posted By RSG:
Jon Stewart Trashes Obama’s Executive Privilege Assertion On Fast And Furious If Jon Stewart is trashing a Democratic President (whom he regularly gives verbal mouth hugs on air to), you know the situation is spinning right the fuck out if control... Jon Stewart generally sounds like this when discussing Obama "Nom,Nom, Nom, please sir, don't get it on my clothes, I dont want my wife to know." |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 3:21:16 PM
Posted to Mr Gowdy's Facebook page
Originally Posted By Swoosh101:
Trey Gowdy up in this mother.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6RFylFMSHo |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 3:30:13 PM
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Posted: 6/22/2012 3:32:04 PM
Originally Posted By Lumpy03:
does anyone happen to know if Rush's broadcasts are archived and available ? Yes, if you are a member of his site... http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/podcast Check the dailyrushbo.com. http://dailyrushbo.com/ Limbaugh: Holder Lied, Mexicans Died. http://dailyrushbo.com/limbaugh-holder-lied-mexicans-died/ Limbaugh On Jay Carney Blaming Bush For F&F: “Every Line Of That Is Bogus” http://dailyrushbo.com/limbaugh-on-jay-carney-blaming-bush-for-ff-every-line-of-that-is-bogus/ Rush: If F&F Started With Bush, Why Don’t They Release The Documents And Make Holder A Hero? http://dailyrushbo.com/rush-if-ff-started-with-bush-why-dont-they-release-the-documents-and-make-holder-a-hero/ |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 3:33:20 PM
Thanks very much !
DITTOES ! |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 3:35:04 PM
Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX:
http://www.therightscoop.com/rush-limbaugh-explains-the-difference-between-wide-receiver-and-fast-furious/ Direct link to video (cannot embed)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MihRqylNaFI&feature=player_embedded |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 3:47:22 PM
[Last Edit: 6/22/2012 3:49:30 PM by DougH9]
Originally posted by Kevyn:
A paltry few thousand AK's from civilian arms dealers in the U.S. is only making a difference to low level, fringe thugs; local turf holders working for the cartels, securing a small regional foot hold.
The (what is it $58 million?) Direct Sales were the "meat & potatoes" of F&F; the U.S. FFL forced sales were only conducted to have a blame source. This was to be followed by an executive order to ban assault weapons to avert an "international security and diplomatic crisis" |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 3:58:26 PM
[Last Edit: 6/22/2012 4:01:28 PM by Everrest]
Originally Posted By sbhaven:
Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX:
http://www.therightscoop.com/rush-limbaugh-explains-the-difference-between-wide-receiver-and-fast-furious/ Direct link to video (cannot embed)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MihRqylNaFI&feature=player_embedded Trial embed (ETA: a few facts not totally correct, but better than most) Rush Limbaugh explains the difference between Wide Receiver and Fast & Furious |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 4:09:08 PM
Huzzah !!! more info I'd missed before... and it's one hellova lot more believable than
what drivel the msm is dropping out there - NOT that I listen to or view them directly.. just their fecal snippets left here via youTube and other vids.. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 4:15:28 PM
@DarrellIssa: Not the Full Ginsberg but close: I'll be on @FoxNewsSunday @ThisWeekABC & @meetthepress this Sunday on #fastandfurious. Hope you'll tune in |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 4:15:29 PM
Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX:
http://www.therightscoop.com/rush-limbaugh-explains-the-difference-between-wide-receiver-and-fast-furious/ Found it! At around the 6:10 mark. Just when Rush was saying "4 federal agencies were involved in maybe as many as 10 cites in 5 states". That's the part that was blocked out! Maybe a few seconds before as well. All I caught was something about "states" when those "Emergency Broadcast" tones ended. Now that I know exactly what was said, I KNOW this was no coincidence! I just talked to a friend that listen's to Rush everyday. He said he missed that part as he was involved w/ something at the time (he listens at work). But he said he's heard those same tones block out things Rush has said in the past. On several different occasions. This is HUGE. The part about this being an operation that was conducted out of various states and cities was intentionally blocked out by someone (or organization). And it's the part the media has been trying to keep from public knowledge for so long. The gunwalking scandal was NOT just a "Phoenix" operation 
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Posted: 6/22/2012 4:19:23 PM
[Last Edit: 6/22/2012 5:05:18 PM by stoner63a]
Edit x 20, fuggit, I can't get the damn video to imbed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKsDjpKr2Mk&feature=youtu.be |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 4:59:32 PM
Originally Posted By DougH9:
That is basically my take on it. Looks like they could not get enough guns into Mexico using straw buyers so they went to direct government sales, Looks like it was working well...........Well.. until Brian Terry's Murder.
Originally posted by Kevyn: A paltry few thousand AK's from civilian arms dealers in the U.S. is only making a difference to low level, fringe thugs; local turf holders working for the cartels, securing a small regional foot hold.
The (what is it $58 million?) Direct Sales were the "meat & potatoes" of F&F; the U.S. FFL forced sales were only conducted to have a blame source. This was to be followed by an executive order to ban assault weapons to avert an "international security and diplomatic crisis" |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 5:08:36 PM
Originally Posted By stoner63a:
Edit x 20, fuggit, I can't get the damn video to imbed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKsDjpKr2Mk&feature=youtu.be
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Posted: 6/22/2012 5:34:44 PM
Originally Posted By polymer4me:
Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX:
http://www.therightscoop.com/rush-limbaugh-explains-the-difference-between-wide-receiver-and-fast-furious/ Found it! At around the 6:10 mark. Just when Rush was saying "4 federal agencies were involved in maybe as many as 10 cites in 5 states". That's the part that was blocked out! Maybe a few seconds before as well. All I caught was something about "states" when those "Emergency Broadcast" tones ended. Now that I know exactly what was said, I KNOW this was no coincidence! I just talked to a friend that listen's to Rush everyday. He said he missed that part as he was involved w/ something at the time (he listens at work). But he said he's heard those same tones block out things Rush has said in the past. On several different occasions. This is HUGE. The part about this being an operation that was conducted out of various states and cities was intentionally blocked out by someone (or organization). And it's the part the media has been trying to keep from public knowledge for so long. The gunwalking scandal was NOT just a "Phoenix" operation
Who would have the access or control over the system that inserts those tones into the broadcast? |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 5:41:22 PM
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Posted: 6/22/2012 5:50:40 PM
Brian Terry's parents went on record saying they're in it for the long haul. They don't want any compromises or agreements to end the investigation - they want a full, complete investigation with factual, truthful answers to all the questions.
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Posted: 6/22/2012 6:01:12 PM
Originally Posted By Hedonist:
Brian Terry's parents went on record saying they're in it for the long haul. They don't want any compromises or agreements to end the investigation - they want a full, complete investigation with factual, truthful answers to all the questions. With respect given to the Terry family and their sacrifice, this goes way beyond Brian Terry's death. This involves corruption on a huge scale, with who knows how many murders involved. And the purpose has yet to be officially determined, but what else could it be besides a scheme to further regulate the 2A? |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 6:08:13 PM
Perhaps this is a dupe - but I got this link in a press release from Chuck Grassley's office a few minutes ago.
Key Fast and Furious Documents
Senator Chuck Grassley, ranking member of the Judiciary Committee, has been investigating the government law enforcement strategy of allowing guns to “walk” across the Mexican border to drug traffickers for the past 18 months. He and his staff have obtained several key documents through their investigation. Links to key documents with a description of the importance of each follows here. Full page and links to documents found: HERE |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 6:28:59 PM
Originally Posted By Rogue-Sasquatch:
Originally Posted By polymer4me:
Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX:
http://www.therightscoop.com/rush-limbaugh-explains-the-difference-between-wide-receiver-and-fast-furious/ Found it! At around the 6:10 mark. Just when Rush was saying "4 federal agencies were involved in maybe as many as 10 cites in 5 states". That's the part that was blocked out! Maybe a few seconds before as well. All I caught was something about "states" when those "Emergency Broadcast" tones ended. Now that I know exactly what was said, I KNOW this was no coincidence! I just talked to a friend that listen's to Rush everyday. He said he missed that part as he was involved w/ something at the time (he listens at work). But he said he's heard those same tones block out things Rush has said in the past. On several different occasions. This is HUGE. The part about this being an operation that was conducted out of various states and cities was intentionally blocked out by someone (or organization). And it's the part the media has been trying to keep from public knowledge for so long. The gunwalking scandal was NOT just a "Phoenix" operation
Who would have the access or control over the system that inserts those tones into the broadcast? old days ? maybe FCC ? now, I can only guess - FEMA, DHS? |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 6:29:03 PM
Originally Posted By Rogue-Sasquatch:
Originally Posted By polymer4me:
Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX:
http://www.therightscoop.com/rush-limbaugh-explains-the-difference-between-wide-receiver-and-fast-furious/ Found it! At around the 6:10 mark. Just when Rush was saying "4 federal agencies were involved in maybe as many as 10 cites in 5 states". That's the part that was blocked out! Maybe a few seconds before as well. All I caught was something about "states" when those "Emergency Broadcast" tones ended. Now that I know exactly what was said, I KNOW this was no coincidence! I just talked to a friend that listen's to Rush everyday. He said he missed that part as he was involved w/ something at the time (he listens at work). But he said he's heard those same tones block out things Rush has said in the past. On several different occasions. This is HUGE. The part about this being an operation that was conducted out of various states and cities was intentionally blocked out by someone (or organization). And it's the part the media has been trying to keep from public knowledge for so long. The gunwalking scandal was NOT just a "Phoenix" operation
Who would have the access or control over the system that inserts those tones into the broadcast? As far as I know, only the FCC or the local radio stations broadcasting the show. Since I couldn't find this instance mentioned today on the web, I'm thinking it was my local station that did it. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 6:52:54 PM
The engineer at my local station has a voicemail waiting.
That goes nowhere, I got another wild card... |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 7:05:13 PM
[Last Edit: 6/22/2012 7:26:57 PM by broadrunarms]
Key Fast and Furious Documents
Senator Chuck Grassley, ranking member of the Judiciary Committee, has been investigating the government law enforcement strategy of allowing guns to “walk” across the Mexican border to drug traffickers for the past 18 months. He and his staff have obtained several key documents through their investigation. Links to key documents with a description of the importance of each follows here. Full page and links to documents found: HERE From Senator Grassley's website, referenced above: Documents related to Operation Fast and Furious that were not produced by the Justice Department (not including documents provided in camera but not produced)
* On February 8, 2012, Senator Grassley, Chairman Issa, and Congressman Meehan wrote DOJ asking that they seek leave of court to unseal wiretap information for the purpose of facilitating congressional review. We received no substantive response. Link to Source Document Holy moly. In the words of Captain Edward Smith, "But its t'was just a wee small bit of floating ice." Attorney General Holder and a bunch of people in the Obama Administration have got to be panicked by this revelation by Senator Grassley. It shows that Congress already has massively damaging documents. Congressman Issa and your colleagues such as Mr. Gowdy and Senator Grassley and your colleagues: DO NOT STOP. GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 7:21:48 PM
Thanks, b.r.a. !!
Frying Feces ! This might be a gold mine. btw, your last link give me a "404" error - |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 7:26:21 PM
Originally Posted By Lumpy03:
Thanks, b.r.a. !! Frying Feces ! This might be a gold mine. btw, your last link give me a "404" error - Link fixed |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 7:28:56 PM
[Last Edit: 6/22/2012 7:32:17 PM by hugh1]
Originally Posted By polymer4me:
The piece of equipment allows for local and internet access also in addition to through the radio network, so yes there are some possibilities. The FCC is more or less out of the loop of control, DHS is the regulating party. FCC would only get involved if there was intentional interference.
Originally Posted By Rogue-Sasquatch:
Originally Posted By polymer4me:
Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX:
http://www.therightscoop.com/rush-limbaugh-explains-the-difference-between-wide-receiver-and-fast-furious/ Found it! At around the 6:10 mark. Just when Rush was saying "4 federal agencies were involved in maybe as many as 10 cites in 5 states". That's the part that was blocked out! Maybe a few seconds before as well. All I caught was something about "states" when those "Emergency Broadcast" tones ended. Now that I know exactly what was said, I KNOW this was no coincidence! I just talked to a friend that listen's to Rush everyday. He said he missed that part as he was involved w/ something at the time (he listens at work). But he said he's heard those same tones block out things Rush has said in the past. On several different occasions. This is HUGE. The part about this being an operation that was conducted out of various states and cities was intentionally blocked out by someone (or organization). And it's the part the media has been trying to keep from public knowledge for so long. The gunwalking scandal was NOT just a "Phoenix" operation
Who would have the access or control over the system that inserts those tones into the broadcast? As far as I know, only the FCC or the local radio stations broadcasting the show. Since I couldn't find this instance mentioned today on the web, I'm thinking it was my local station that did it. edit |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 7:46:39 PM
Originally Posted By DougH9:
Originally posted by Kevyn: A paltry few thousand AK's from civilian arms dealers in the U.S. is only making a difference to low level, fringe thugs; local turf holders working for the cartels, securing a small regional foot hold.
The (what is it $58 million?) Direct Sales were the "meat & potatoes" of F&F; the U.S. FFL forced sales were only conducted to have a blame source. This was to be followed by an executive order to ban assault weapons to avert an "international security and diplomatic crisis" Point taken. Understood. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 7:50:21 PM
Originally Posted By Hedonist: As a parent, I completely understand and support their position. Their son was killed, they deserve a complete and accurate accounting of his death.Brian Terry's parents went on record saying they're in it for the long haul. They don't want any compromises or agreements to end the investigation - they want a full, complete investigation with factual, truthful answers to all the questions.  |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 7:52:08 PM
Originally Posted By broadrunarms:
Key Fast and Furious Documents
Senator Chuck Grassley, ranking member of the Judiciary Committee, has been investigating the government law enforcement strategy of allowing guns to “walk” across the Mexican border to drug traffickers for the past 18 months. He and his staff have obtained several key documents through their investigation. Links to key documents with a description of the importance of each follows here. Full page and links to documents found: HERE From Senator Grassley's website, referenced above: Documents related to Operation Fast and Furious that were not produced by the Justice Department (not including documents provided in camera but not produced)
* On February 8, 2012, Senator Grassley, Chairman Issa, and Congressman Meehan wrote DOJ asking that they seek leave of court to unseal wiretap information for the purpose of facilitating congressional review. We received no substantive response. Link to Source Document Holy moly. In the words of Captain Edward Smith, "But its t'was just a wee small bit of floating ice." Attorney General Holder and a bunch of people in the Obama Administration have got to be panicked by this revelation by Senator Grassley. It shows that Congress already has massively damaging documents. Congressman Issa and your colleagues such as Mr. Gowdy and Senator Grassley and your colleagues: DO NOT STOP. GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY. Which makes perfect sense as to why Issa would narrow the scope of document production to comms after the Feb 2011 BS denial letter was written, in order to postpone the Contempt hearing. They (Congress) already have what they need to prove the corruption of the op, thanks to whistleblowers inside the various agencies, including DOJ. They now just want the documents that show the "cover up".... the extent of it and the involvement of how high it went. There have been whispers for a LONG time that the FBI is seriously vulnerable in this mess (Hope MacAllister tapes come to mind). This is going to get uglier as we go. I'm happy it's coming out, but it depresses the hell out of me..... what my Country and it's "Federal law enforcement" has been reduced to. 
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Posted: 6/22/2012 7:52:51 PM
.. but how do these "GovUS/GOM" sales figure into the cover-up.
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Posted: 6/22/2012 8:08:29 PM
[Last Edit: 6/22/2012 9:12:36 PM by Everrest]
O'reily kicking it off again tonight. He's been updated on the issue by someone.
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Posted: 6/22/2012 8:08:31 PM
[Last Edit: 6/22/2012 8:14:31 PM by hugh1]
Originally Posted By Lumpy03:
US government sold 69,000 weapons to Mexico in the first 3 years of Obama. Of the 65,000 guns recovered at crime scenes in Mexico over half were from Direct Government Sales. The government made the numbers sound like ALL the guns were smuggled in to Mexico by straw buyers. It may be somewhat of a leap but it sure looks fishy and should be investigated.
.. but how do these "GovUS/GOM" sales figure into the cover-up. simply, I don't "get it". Note; BATFE will only say that over half were DGS for all we know it might be 99% |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 8:08:47 PM
Originally Posted By Lumpy03: .. but how do these "GovUS/GOM" sales figure into the cover-up. simply, I don't "get it". We drastically increased our sales of weapons to the GOM between 2009 and 2010, knowing full well that up to 30% of the weapons they receive are almost immediately sold/stolen/disappeared by the corrupt Mexican Military members who also work for the drug cartels. If we use the number $58mil above, then when you factor in the 30% we effectively gave the drug cartels $17.4mil in small arms (that of course trace back to the USA) under the guise of GovUS/GOM sales. Now, if you are the GovUS, encourage brick & mortar FFLs to sell to known straw purchasers who will then smuggle the guns into Mexico where they will turn up at a crime scene to be traced back to the USA. Once you establish that a smuggling ring exists and that there are a TON of full-autos, grenades, launchers, DDs, etc in Mexico that all trace back to the USA you can begin drumming up support for (or simply ram through an Exec Order) banning so-called "Assault Weapons" |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 8:15:09 PM
Thanks. Clear.
I wasn't aware that the .gov knew of the losses incurred to the activities of the dirty players in the GOM. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 8:19:21 PM
Originally Posted By Lumpy03: Thanks. Clear. I wasn't aware that the .gov knew of the losses incurred to the activities of the dirty players in the GOM. Have you ever seen the movie "Casino" ? The bosses know that there is always going to be some loss due to skimming. When the losses/skimming get to be too much either everyone skimming gets whacked, or in the case of the GovUS, you encourage the skimming and use it to exploit the pet peeves of an administration. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 8:29:11 PM
[*] December 16, 2010 e-mails from the Group Supervisor to the SAC and the ASAC regarding charging Fast and Furious straw purchaser Jaime Avila, including not charging Terry murder weapons to Avila “so as to not complicate the FBI’s investigation”
I've been on this thread for a long time and so much has transpired ... Is this another reference to the 3rd gun that the FBI denies and the one that Agent McCallister references on the tape at the gun store? Or just the ATF trying to clean up the mess and not drag in the FBI–– which is now implicated by Barry's EP claim! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/06/jaime-avila-jr-pleads-guilty_n_1408035.html Authorities say Jaime Avila Jr. was a member of a 20-person ring accused of buying guns and smuggling them into Mexico for use by the Sinaloa drug cartel. Two AK-47 variants bought by Avila from a suburban Phoenix gun store were found in the aftermath of a December 2010 shootout that mortally wounded Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry near Nogales, Ariz.
Avila, 25, faces up to 10 years in prison after pleading guilty to dealing guns without a federal license and conspiracy to deal guns without a license, making false statements in a gun purchase and smuggling goods out of the U.S. A sentencing hearing is set for June 25. Prosecutor Timothy Coughlin told the judge that Avila served as a straw purchaser for the ring and bought 52 guns on its behalf, including two .50-caliber rifles, though the indictment charged him with buying six guns. There was no mention during the hearing of Terry's death or the guns found at the shootout scene. It remains unclear whether the fatal bullet came from one of the two guns recovered at the shooting scene or from another gun. Maybe they dropped the ITAR violations to get a quick plea and put him away, out of sight and reach of the committee investigators? Not too bad from the huffpo. Top of the Google list. Somebody's googling it hard! |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 8:38:47 PM
Originally Posted By Kutu:
While I believe that the documents that Issa is asking for must contain some very damning evidence, I don't think that any revelation will cost Obama votes - it may even get him more votes from the staunch gun control crowd. I will always think that Obama knew about the plan from the start. Negative. Obvious corruption will cost him. It opens minds that were molded by the media/big education. Once these doors are opened, the corruption will sink him. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 8:42:42 PM
Originally Posted By Andrapos:
Originally Posted By Lumpy03:
Thanks. Clear. I wasn't aware that the .gov knew of the losses incurred to the activities of the dirty players in the GOM. Have you ever seen the movie "Casino" ? The bosses know that there is always going to be some loss due to skimming. When the losses/skimming get to be too much either everyone skimming gets whacked, or in the case of the GovUS, you encourage the skimming and use it to exploit the pet peeves of an administration.
I haven't.. but I remember reading about one of the logistics lessons we learned in Vietnam- but apparently didn't rectify. The article (damned if I remember where I saw it, maybe some Army study) stated that in terms of standard expendable sustainment goods for the US military - resupply of rations, medical supplies and administrative consumables (NO durable goods) NO munitions, just the "band-aids, ballpoints, beans and bullets" ––less the bullets) cost an average of a Million Dollars a day over the main course of the war - from 1965 thru 1973. The study showed that an average of 10% of the goods were pilfered ON THE DOCKS in Saigon (Newport and Cholon), Da Nang, Quin Nhon and Cam Ranh Bay. so, KNOWN loss of $100K/day average.... They just increased the shipments to a higher overage than the missing 10%, and let it be. sorry to derail... /back to business... |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 8:50:04 PM
Originally Posted By Lumpy03: Originally Posted By Andrapos: Originally Posted By Lumpy03: Thanks. Clear. I wasn't aware that the .gov knew of the losses incurred to the activities of the dirty players in the GOM. Have you ever seen the movie "Casino" ? The bosses know that there is always going to be some loss due to skimming. When the losses/skimming get to be too much either everyone skimming gets whacked, or in the case of the GovUS, you encourage the skimming and use it to exploit the pet peeves of an administration. I haven't.. but I remember reading about one of the logistics lessons we learned in Vietnam- but apparently didn't rectify. The article (damned if I remember where I saw it, maybe some Army study) stated that in terms of standard expendable sustainment goods for the US military - resupply of rations, medical supplies and administrative consumables (NO durable goods) NO munitions, just the "band-aids, ballpoints, beans and bullets" ––less the bullets) cost an average of a Million Dollars a day over the main course of the war - from 1965 thru 1973. The study showed that an average of 10% of the goods were pilfered ON THE DOCKS in Saigon (Newport and Cholon), Da Nang, Quin Nhon and Cam Ranh Bay. so, KNOWN loss of $100K/day average.... They just increased the shipments to a higher overage than the missing 10%, and let it be. sorry to derail... /back to business... That's not a derail, that is exactly the same principle that the GovUS employed - increase the shipments because of known losses. Fast and Furious is simply the AZ project that received the blame, and only because they got caught. This whole deal is bigger than most people can imagine, and terrifying enough that most people will refuse to believe it. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 8:59:23 PM
Originally Posted By Andrapos:
Originally Posted By Lumpy03:
Originally Posted By Andrapos:
Originally Posted By Lumpy03:
Thanks. Clear. I wasn't aware that the .gov knew of the losses incurred to the activities of the dirty players in the GOM. Have you ever seen the movie "Casino" ? The bosses know that there is always going to be some loss due to skimming. When the losses/skimming get to be too much either everyone skimming gets whacked, or in the case of the GovUS, you encourage the skimming and use it to exploit the pet peeves of an administration.
I haven't.. but I remember reading about one of the logistics lessons we learned in Vietnam- but apparently didn't rectify. The article (damned if I remember where I saw it, maybe some Army study) stated that in terms of standard expendable sustainment goods for the US military - resupply of rations, medical supplies and administrative consumables (NO durable goods) NO munitions, just the "band-aids, ballpoints, beans and bullets" ––less the bullets) cost an average of a Million Dollars a day over the main course of the war - from 1965 thru 1973. The study showed that an average of 10% of the goods were pilfered ON THE DOCKS in Saigon (Newport and Cholon), Da Nang, Quin Nhon and Cam Ranh Bay. so, KNOWN loss of $100K/day average.... They just increased the shipments to a higher overage than the missing 10%, and let it be. sorry to derail... /back to business... That's not a derail, that is exactly the same principle that the GovUS employed - increase the shipments because of known losses. Fast and Furious is simply the AZ project that received the blame, and only because they got caught. This whole deal is bigger than most people can imagine, and terrifying enough that most people will refuse to believe it. To put it another way , they wanted the cartels to take the weapons that they were sending down under Direct Government Sales. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 9:02:33 PM
Originally Posted By Taboot:
I really think that there is something huge behind the scenes. Obama is many things, but an idiot is not one of them. Something forced him to go nuclear. I hope we find out what it is... So do I and I think more information will come out regarding the death of Jaime Zapata and none of it will be good for Holder or Obama. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 9:07:14 PM
Originally Posted By hugh1: To put it another way , they wanted the cartels to take the weapons that they were sending down under Direct Government Sales. Bingo. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 9:18:56 PM
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Originally Posted By captainpooby:
I can't wait to see this again. Here's hoping! 
http://www.kennerly.com/images_pix/180_Richard-Nixon.jpg Unfolding exactly like RMN. Well, save the experience part (Nixon had been VP). 1. Elected in opposition to the other party being in charge of protracted war. 2. Neo-Keynesian economics. 3. In like a victor, out like a buffoon. 4. Thin skinned 5. Paranoid |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 9:19:49 PM
WE ARE THE ASTUTE 1% !!
or "III" .. off now to save all the .pdfs Senator Grassley released. ..for late-night perusal.  |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 9:41:32 PM
Originally Posted By Andrapos: Originally Posted By hugh1: To put it another way , they wanted the cartels to take the weapons that they were sending down under Direct Government Sales. Bingo. Thus, the "reasoning" for Executive privilege. This involves both U.S. security and foreign relations. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 9:45:52 PM
i wonder if he's hiding documents so as not to piss of the mexicans more. remember, he said over and over to mexican press, that he didn't know anything about it.
and another thing, i we really do have a whistleblower in the DOJ, i highly doubt the sealed wiretaps are the *only* thing they passed on to Oversight. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 9:53:30 PM
Originally Posted By Lumpy03:
WE ARE THE ASTUTE 1% !! or "III" .. off now to save all the .pdfs Senator Grassley released. ..for late-night perusal. Him waiting until friday night to release this worries me. We've seen this very same tactic from the obama administration when they want to keep what they release out of the news. This is especially troublesome when you include the obamacare decision coming out monday that will effectively bury this. This reminds me of the little dust up between Issa and Grassley where Issa stopped sharing info with Grassley because it was getting back to Obama. |
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