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Posted: 1/20/2011 7:56:05 PM EDT
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Well.. What does this new cartridge do that the 5.7 won't? how is it better? 44 grains at 2100fps doesn't sound all that impressive to me, or at least like it's a serious step up..
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Posted: 1/20/2011 7:57:48 PM EDT
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and the Horn Of Gondor is blown at the fivesevenforum
I can hear them coming with murmured chants of elite ammo elite ammo elite ammo .... |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:04:25 PM EDT
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So...when can I get a barrel in this caliber for my G19?
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:08:22 PM EDT
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Oh no he didn't!
How is it better than 30gr @ 2,300fps? eta: Did just google that. Me likey 
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:10:32 PM EDT
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This might be the best thing that's happened since .356TSW!
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:18:20 PM EDT
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Turner Classic Movies has an ammo R&D department? Badass.
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:19:46 PM EDT
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Well.. What does this new cartridge do that the 5.7 won't? how is it better? 44 grains at 2100fps doesn't sound all that impressive to me, or at least like it's a serious step up.. 5.7x28 SS190 is 2,100FPS With a 31 grain projectile. .22TCM is the same velocity with a 42% heavier bullet. That is fucking huge. The lighter bullets should scream in .22TCM... But why use them? The requirement of using light bullets was a limitation with 5.7. 5.7 could not fit in the same gun as 9mm. .22TCM does. 5.7 is impossible to get new brass for. .22TCM uses .223Rem. Fuck 5.7, worthless bitch cartridge. TR85. |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:22:15 PM EDT
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224 Boz for the win. 10mm Auto necked to .224.
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:22:49 PM EDT
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I have never heard of this
Pics!!!! or its a figment of your imagination!!! |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:23:09 PM EDT
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May I ask what 5.7 did to you that was so horrible? Did a P90 sleep with your sister or something?
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:26:14 PM EDT
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It's certainly interesting.
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224 Boz for the win. 10mm Auto necked to .224. Which broke every gun it was tried in due to excessive bolt thrust. And didn't feed very well. I noted that this cartridge uses a much more gradual taper to the bottleneck, and is smaller diameter, to reduce those effects. |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:26:19 PM EDT
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May I ask what 5.7 did to you that was so horrible? Did a P90 sleep with your sister or something? The cheating bitch ran away with my herby kerby. TR85. |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:28:59 PM EDT
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4.6x30
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:29:43 PM EDT
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I have never heard of this Pics!!!! or its a figment of your imagination!!! 
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:31:07 PM EDT
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Well.. What does this new cartridge do that the 5.7 won't? how is it better? 44 grains at 2100fps doesn't sound all that impressive to me, or at least like it's a serious step up.. 5.7x28 SS190 is 2,100FPS With a 31 grain projectile. .22TCM is the same velocity with a 42% heavier bullet. That is fucking huge. The lighter bullets should scream in .22TCM... But why use them? The requirement of using light bullets was a limitation with 5.7. 5.7 could not fit in the same gun as 9mm. .22TCM does. 5.7 is impossible to get new brass for. .22TCM uses .223Rem. Fuck 5.7, worthless bitch cartridge. TR85. How do you make a .22 tcm from a .223? Are there any published case dimensions for it? |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:32:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I have never heard of this Pics!!!! or its a figment of your imagination!!! http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l596/WaylandTR85/b5ad32af.jpg  I think i have to change my shorts now, thats awesome!!!! |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:33:29 PM EDT
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Well.. What does this new cartridge do that the 5.7 won't? how is it better? 44 grains at 2100fps doesn't sound all that impressive to me, or at least like it's a serious step up.. 5.7x28 SS190 is 2,100FPS With a 31 grain projectile. .22TCM is the same velocity with a 42% heavier bullet. That is fucking huge. The lighter bullets should scream in .22TCM... But why use them? The requirement of using light bullets was a limitation with 5.7. 5.7 could not fit in the same gun as 9mm. .22TCM does. 5.7 is impossible to get new brass for. .22TCM uses .223Rem. Fuck 5.7, worthless bitch cartridge. TR85. How do you make a .22 tcm from a .223? Are there any published case dimensions for it? You resize the shit out of it. Like .357SiG from hell. Just came out at SHOT. Info will lag. TR85. |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:35:52 PM EDT
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OH HELL YEAH!!!
and comes with a 9mm barrel too!
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:36:04 PM EDT
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I'm still waiting for the 338 necked down to 17hmr
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:40:51 PM EDT
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OH HELL YEAH!!!
http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af282/rwb1500/2ee97cec.jpg http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af282/rwb1500/cf86671a.jpg and comes with a 9mm barrel too! Dig the ball cuts and slide bevel. Para Ordnance ought to be shitting their britches right now; RIA seems poised to kick them in the taint. |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:47:40 PM EDT
[#21]
Holy crap that's moving fast out of a handgun.
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:51:47 PM EDT
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I guess I just still don't get it. Really really fast, really really tiny.....kinda like a semi-auto .22 mag in a 1911 platform, that you can reload the brass and use common projectiles......
....okay, shit, I may've just talked myself into one.  |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:53:14 PM EDT
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I guess I just still don't get it. Really really fast, really really tiny.....kinda like a semi-auto .22 mag in a 1911 platform, that you can reload the brass and use common projectiles...... ....okay, shit, I may've just talked myself into one. not to mention common availability of brass. with how much .223 brass is floating around now, I'm not surprised people are coming up with interesting things to do with it. |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:58:00 PM EDT
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May I ask what 5.7 did to you that was so horrible? Did a P90 sleep with your sister or something? The cheating bitch ran away with my herby kerby. TR85. Lol @ Herby Kerby reference. |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 9:08:39 PM EDT
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44 grains at 2100fps doesn't sound all that impressive to me, or at least like it's a serious step up.. It's not a step up. The performance, even if confirmed, is virtually identical to 45 grain 5.7x28mm bullets by EA; except the design is untested, the grip will be thicker, and the magazine capacity will be smaller by necessity. Quoted:
Holy crap that's moving fast out of a handgun. EA's S4 has been independently chronographed at 2,500+ ft/s from the Five-seveN pistol. |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 9:22:36 PM EDT
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What kind of trajectory are we talking though? 5.7 is a sweet varmint round that shoots pretty flat and accurate for ~150ds. Its like a bigger badder 17HMR that can be loaded into a semi auto without issue.
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Posted: 1/20/2011 9:35:39 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I have never heard of this Pics!!!! or its a figment of your imagination!!! http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l596/WaylandTR85/b5ad32af.jpg It might just be an illusion, but that grip looks fucking huge.  |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 9:38:16 PM EDT
[#28]
I must have, now!!!!!
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Posted: 1/20/2011 9:47:41 PM EDT
[#29]
I've never heard of this round. Is this factory made ammo and does anyone make a firearm chambered in it? TIA.
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Posted: 1/20/2011 9:51:03 PM EDT
[#30]
WAYYYYYYYYYY more details are needed.
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Posted: 1/20/2011 9:53:11 PM EDT
[#31]
Quoted: I'm still waiting for the 338 necked down to 17hmr Fuck it, might as well go to 50bmg necked down to 17hmr. That thing would probably be able to travel back in time! |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 9:59:43 PM EDT
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The concept reminds me of the .224 BOZ, anyone remember that weird cartridge?
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Posted: 1/20/2011 10:00:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have never heard of this Pics!!!! or its a figment of your imagination!!! http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l596/WaylandTR85/b5ad32af.jpg It might just be an illusion, but that grip looks fucking huge. looks like a double stack 1911 |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 10:00:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: It might just be an illusion, but that grip looks fucking huge. Hard to tell from those limited photos, but it looks like a double-stack magazine, and a fat grip to go with it. Single stack with a normal grip I could go for, but I don't like fat-gripped double stack 1911's. |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 10:27:31 PM EDT
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The concept reminds me of the .224 BOZ, anyone remember that weird cartridge? Yes, already mentioned in this thread. I still have a dummy round at home. |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 10:34:30 PM EDT
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I guess I just still don't get it. Really really fast, really really tiny.....kinda like a semi-auto .22 mag in a 1911 platform, that you can reload the brass and use common projectiles...... ....okay, shit, I may've just talked myself into one. not to mention common availability of brass. with how much .223 brass is floating around now, I'm not surprised people are coming up with interesting things to do with it. Needs more Glock platform
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Posted: 1/21/2011 9:53:37 AM EDT
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The concept reminds me of the .224 BOZ, anyone remember that weird cartridge? Yes, already mentioned in this thread. I still have a dummy round at home. Oh snap. Must RIF 
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Posted: 1/21/2011 9:57:20 AM EDT
[#38]
You'll get a lot more magazine capacity with 5.7x28.
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Posted: 1/21/2011 10:40:13 AM EDT
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You'll get a lot more magazine capacity with 5.7x28. 18+1 vs 20+1. I'm not too worried. TR85. |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 10:48:32 AM EDT
[#40]
 Ammo is way cheaper.
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Posted: 1/21/2011 10:50:16 AM EDT
[#41]
Anyone else remember .224 BOZ from about 20 years ago?
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Posted: 1/21/2011 10:51:47 AM EDT
[#42]
So it's a 9mm necked down to .22?
Sweet!!! |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 10:56:25 AM EDT
[#43]
You know, it reminds me of the .224 Boz from years back.
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Posted: 1/21/2011 10:57:37 AM EDT
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Quoted: You know, it reminds me of the .224 Boz from years back. Two posts up.
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Posted: 1/21/2011 11:00:22 AM EDT
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It's certainly interesting. Quoted:
224 Boz for the win. 10mm Auto necked to .224. Which broke every gun it was tried in due to excessive bolt thrust. Too much thrust per squeeze? |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 11:01:45 AM EDT
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You know, it reminds me of the .224 Boz from years back. Two posts up.Look further than that. I thought you were perpetuating the joke and joined in.... |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 11:04:13 AM EDT
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You know, it reminds me of the .224 Boz from years back. Two posts up.Look further than that. I thought you were perpetuating the joke and joined in.... Anyone heard of .224BOZ? |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 11:05:39 AM EDT
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You know, it reminds me of the .224 Boz from years back. Two posts up.Look further than that. I thought you were perpetuating the joke and joined in.... Anyone heard of .224BOZ? Thanks for trying, but once you have to explain the joke... |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 11:07:48 AM EDT
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You know, it reminds me of the .224 Boz from years back. Two posts up.Look further than that. I thought you were perpetuating the joke and joined in.... Anyone heard of .224BOZ? Thanks for trying, but once you have to explain the joke... I can't resist the whole "Who's on first" bit. |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 11:08:22 AM EDT
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http://www.dreadgazebo.com/gunporn/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/tokarev353.JPG Ammo is way cheaper. Waaaay, way cheaper. And if you must have a .22, you can make a Timbs round. Tokarev 7.62x25mm brass, sabots, and .223 (either m193 or M855/SS109) projectiles. That would be 55grain or 62 grain projos out of pistol at 2100 FPS! Bitchen! |
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