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Posted: 1/9/2011 6:00:20 PM EDT
As requested in this thread (which has been kind of a trainwreck due to some kids not playing well with others), here is some more information regarding the three four people that heroically tackled the crazed gunmen who shot Rep. Giffords and killed all these other people:
Retired Colonel Bill Badger, age 74, who had come to talk to Rep. Giffords, narrowly escaped death (he was shot at by the gunman but since he dropped to the floor at just the right time the bullet just grazed his head), got up and grabbed the gunman's one arm - interview here: http://video.foxnews.com/#/v/4490356/retired-colonel-helped-tackle-shooting-suspect/ [sorry, don't have time to do a transcript of that interview tonight - any volunteers?] Roger Sulzgeber, who also tackled the gunman [any more info on him?] Patricia Maisch, age 61, who grabbed the gunman's other arm with which he held a full magazine as he was trying to reload [ETA link to article: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/patricia-maisch-describes-stopping-gunman-reloading/story?id=12577933], and who then ran to the Safeway and got some tissue to put on Bill Badger's wound [and I don't care what her political leanings are - she did the right thing at the right time, stood and acted when others cowered or ran] Joe Zamudio, who was in the store buying cigarettes when he heard the shots and, since he was CCW'ing at the time, decided to run towards the scene and, after seeing that the shooter had run dry and thus there was no immediate need to pull his own gun, proceeded to help the other two folks hold down the shooter, who kept struggling until the police arrived and had a knife and more ammo on him, and may have been able to overpower the Colonel and the lady had Mr. Zamudio not intervened. Video here: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/01/08/exp.az.zamudio.witness.cnn?hpt=T1 Rough transcript of the interview with Mr. Zamudio: [joining us now is Joe Zamudio, he's an eyewitness] [tell us where you were when you came upon this meet and greet] "It was just a normal Saturday, I woke up and had breakfast with my mom, I was planning on watching football, I didn't plan on this horrible thing, I walked out and went into the Walgreens to buy cigarettes and inside of the counter I heard the gunshots, it was like a fireworks almost it was pop pop pop like that, and I said to the girl behind the counter is that is that because i was going to say is that fireworks but I knew it was a gun I've been raised around guns my whole life and I knew it was a gun, and I carry a gun for my own protection and I had it with me so I ran back outside and there was a man with a camera who said 'shooter shooter get down' and I ran towards the noise and that was after the last gunshot, at that point the other gentleman you spoke with the other gentleman and a lady were wrestling with I don't know what his name is, the guy, the shooter" [so you ran towards the suspect] "yeah, they had already taken the gun form him and he was struggling with them, I went over there I pinned him down to the ground I waited with them until the police came, it was just ridiculous, the gun was empty, when you finish firing an semiautomatic like that the top stays back and it was cocked back, it was locked open and he was out of bullets, but he had another extended magazine that he was trying to load into the gun that the woman was able to wrestle away form him, and he was gonna keep shooting, he was not over he just ran out of bullets" [how long were you on him] "oh I don't know not more than five minutes, probably 'bout like three or four, it seemed like a really long time at first but I checked my phone afterwards 'cause I was calling 911 and it couldn't have been more than five minutes, three minutes, four minutes maybe, the first sheriff's department officer showed up and when he got there we said 'we got him he's right here he's the shooter' he came put him in cuffs, almost immediately there were two or three more deputies there, they searched him in my presence, I saw them pull two more magazines out of his pockets and a pocket knife, I mean he was ready for war, he was not playing around" [did he say anything while you were holding him down] "the only thing he said was 'my arm ow my arm' they had his arm wrenched back which I'm real glad I didn't know he had a knife in his pocket I mean I had a gun and if he had been reloaded or something I would have pulled it on him but I wasn't trying to go that place and scare anyone if it wasn't necessary, but I didn't know he had a knife on him I mean he could have hurt us there holding him down, it was just scary, and he said 'ow my arm' but we didn't care we just kept holding him there, and then his facial expression was expressionless, it was blank, it was callous almost." |
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I salute Joe and Bill for their service to society . To the lady responder , while her immediate efforts probably proved helpful , there was something in an interview where she blamed Palin ? WTF , lady !
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Joe Zamudio is the unsung hero of the day.
Average Joe CCW'ing hears shots, runs to the mayhem and helps subdue the mad shooter - MSM totally ignores a friendly gun in their quest for the true story. |
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[did he say anything while you were holding him down]
"the only thing he said was 'my arm ow my arm'" WTG, Joe! (shoulda broke it, though.)
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Quoted: I salute Joe and Bill for their service to society . To the lady responder , while her immediate efforts probably proved helpful , there was something in an interview where she blamed Palin ? WTF , lady ! Her name is Patricia Maisch, and she went full retard in the Shepard Smith interview... blaming Sarah Palin and other Republicans.... also ranting about some job-killing bill or some nonsense. She indicated that she grabbed the magazine out of his pocket and/or hand at the direction of Bill, or another subduer. |
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Joe Zamudio is the unsung hero of the day. Average Joe CCW'ing hears shots, runs to the mayhem and helps subdue the mad shooter - MSM totally ignores a friendly gun in their quest for the true story. This. Great thread, hopefully someone knows Joe and we can make an Arfcommer out of him. |
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He showed a lot of restraint. I might have held my foot to his neck and the barrel of my gun in his eye until the cops came.
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I salute Joe and Bill for their service to society . To the lady responder , while her immediate efforts probably proved helpful , there was something in an interview where she blamed Palin ? WTF , lady ! Her name is Patricia Maisch, and she went full retard in the Shepard Smith interview... blaming Sarah Palin and other Republicans.... also ranting about some job-killing bill or some nonsense. She may have been trying to get the gun from the perp so she could start shooting people. Good thing Joe showed up ! |
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Fox has completely ignored Joe's efforts.
Initially Shep Smith said something about a citizen possibly exchanging gunfire - but then just dropped that completely. I smell a Sheriff controlling the story. |
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Hats off. Can anyone push these names to the right media outlets?
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Yes , on one hand we have Sherrif Puknik who proudly states that he is not a proponent of ALLOWING citizens to run willy nilly through the streets packing. And on the other hand , JOE ZAMUDIO , who heard gunshots and ran towards the sound.
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Hats off. Can anyone push these names to the right media outlets? Won't matter. By the time ARFCOM was up to 48 pages, including names, motives, weapon, etc. the news channels were all still blathering nonsense. The news doesn't care about the facts, they care about "the story." |
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Joe Zamudio is the unsung hero of the day. Average Joe CCW'ing hears shots, runs to the mayhem and helps subdue the mad shooter - MSM totally ignores a friendly gun in their quest for the true story. I concur. |
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Joe Zamudio is the unsung hero of the day. Average Joe CCW'ing hears shots, runs to the mayhem and helps subdue the mad shooter - MSM totally ignores a friendly gun in their quest for the true story. I concur. Mark LaRue agrees and is giving him a brand new rifle.... Quoted:
Watching Fox / Geraldo right ... Joe Zamudio (sic) ... 24 years old ... told Geraldo he was armed but decided not to whack the sumbitch for obvious safety-to-others reason. Joe said he was sitting on the sumbitch's legs while the other guy looked to Joe like he was trying his damndest to break th [span style='text-decoration: underline;']Joe is a cool cucumber ... and has a new rifle coming his way as soon as I figure out how to get it to him. If anybody knows what FFL he uses, let me know he uses, let me know. M. LaRue [/s] LINK All hail LaRue. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Joe Zamudio is the unsung hero of the day. Average Joe CCW'ing hears shots, runs to the mayhem and helps subdue the mad shooter - MSM totally ignores a friendly gun in their quest for the true story. I concur. Mark LaRue agrees and is giving him a brand new rifle.... Quoted: Watching Fox / Geraldo right ... Joe Zamudio (sic) ... 24 years old ... told Geraldo he was armed but decided not to whack the sumbitch for obvious safety-to-others reason. Joe said he was sitting on the sumbitch's legs while the other guy looked to Joe like he was trying his damndest to break the guys arm Joe is a cool cucumber ... and has a new rifle coming his way as soon as I figure out how to get it to him. If anybody knows what FFL he uses, let me know he uses, let me know. M. LaRue [/s] LINK All hail LaRue. Good deal. |
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Joe Zamudio is the unsung hero of the day. Average Joe CCW'ing hears shots, runs to the mayhem and helps subdue the mad shooter - MSM totally ignores a friendly gun in their quest for the true story. This. Great thread, hopefully someone knows Joe and we can make an Arfcommer out of him. I sent him a friend request on Facebook - wanted to thank him for being a credit to gun owners. |
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I need a copy of that video. I don't want to be at CNN's mercy if they take it down.
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Joe Zamudio is the unsung hero of the day. Average Joe CCW'ing hears shots, runs to the mayhem and helps subdue the mad shooter - MSM totally ignores a friendly gun in their quest for the true story. I concur. Mark LaRue agrees and is giving him a brand new rifle.... Quoted:
Watching Fox / Geraldo right ... Joe Zamudio (sic) ... 24 years old ... told Geraldo he was armed but decided not to whack the sumbitch for obvious safety-to-others reason. Joe said he was sitting on the sumbitch's legs while the other guy looked to Joe like he was trying his damndest to break th [span style='text-decoration: underline;']Joe is a cool cucumber ... and has a new rifle coming his way as soon as I figure out how to get it to him. If anybody knows what FFL he uses, let me know he uses, let me know. M. LaRue [/s] LINK Very cool. |
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Joe Zamudio is the unsung hero of the day. Average Joe CCW'ing hears shots, runs to the mayhem and helps subdue the mad shooter - MSM totally ignores a friendly gun in their quest for the true story. I concur. Mark LaRue agrees and is giving him a brand new rifle.... Quoted:
Watching Fox / Geraldo right ... Joe Zamudio (sic) ... 24 years old ... told Geraldo he was armed but decided not to whack the sumbitch for obvious safety-to-others reason. Joe said he was sitting on the sumbitch's legs while the other guy looked to Joe like he was trying his damndest to break th [span style='text-decoration: underline;']Joe is a cool cucumber ... and has a new rifle coming his way as soon as I figure out how to get it to him. If anybody knows what FFL he uses, let me know he uses, let me know. M. LaRue [/s] LINK Very cool. +1 |
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It's good to see us in a positive light...and good to see Mr. Zamudio knew when––and when not––to draw his sidearm.!
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Amazing thread.
Forget one crazy POS. Remember those who did something when it mattered. 74? LOVE IT! |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Joe Zamudio is the unsung hero of the day. Average Joe CCW'ing hears shots, runs to the mayhem and helps subdue the mad shooter - MSM totally ignores a friendly gun in their quest for the true story. This. Great thread, hopefully someone knows Joe and we can make an Arfcommer out of him. I sent him a friend request on Facebook - wanted to thank him for being a credit to gun owners. Send him an email of what Mr. LaRue said... |
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Morning bump for Joe, who was just interviewed on Fox News. I watched that interview as well. Pretty humble guy. I found myself clapping for him afterwards. What a brave young man. I bet he was carrying a 1911.... |
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Quoted: He showed a lot of restraint. I might have held my foot to his neck and the barrel of my gun in his eye until the cops came. Yes, being the only non-uniform holding a gun on a chaotic scene like that is a GREAT idea. If there had been a need for a gun, fine, but if there is no reason to draw, then it is generally a better idea to keep your piece concealed. IMO, Mr. Zamudio did the correct thing. Part of the responsibility of carrying a firearm is not only knowing when to get it (or not get it) out, and keeping your cool. Real life is not the movies. |
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He showed a lot of restraint. I might have held my foot to his neck and the barrel of my gun in his eye until the cops came. Yes, being the only non-uniform holding a gun on a chaotic scene like that is a GREAT idea. If there had been a need for a gun, fine, but if there is no reason to draw, then it is generally a better idea to keep your piece concealed. IMO, Mr. Zamudio did the correct thing. Part of the responsibility of carrying a firearm is not only knowing when to get it (or not get it) out, and keeping your cool. Real life is not the movies. +1 |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: He showed a lot of restraint. I might have held my foot to his neck and the barrel of my gun in his eye until the cops came. Yes, being the only non-uniform holding a gun on a chaotic scene like that is a GREAT idea. If there had been a need for a gun, fine, but if there is no reason to draw, then it is generally a better idea to keep your piece concealed. IMO, Mr. Zamudio did the correct thing. Part of the responsibility of carrying a firearm is not only knowing when to get it (or not get it) out, and keeping your cool. Real life is not the movies. +1 Yep, good call... |
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If anyone sees the video for the Fox & Friends interview with Joe Zamudio, please post it here.
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The guys on Fox and Friends asked Joe if he had any "formal" training...he said nope...that his Dad raised him with guns....
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Quoted: Quoted: He showed a lot of restraint. I might have held my foot to his neck and the barrel of my gun in his eye until the cops came. Yes, being the only non-uniform holding a gun on a chaotic scene like that is a GREAT idea. If there had been a need for a gun, fine, but if there is no reason to draw, then it is generally a better idea to keep your piece concealed. IMO, Mr. Zamudio did the correct thing. Part of the responsibility of carrying a firearm is not only knowing when to get it (or not get it) out, and keeping your cool. Real life is not the movies. I thought the exact same thing zoot |
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Joe Zamudio is the unsung hero of the day. Average Joe CCW'ing hears shots, runs to the mayhem and helps subdue the mad shooter - MSM totally ignores a friendly gun in their quest for the true story. agreed |
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Joe Zamudio is the unsung hero of the day. Average Joe CCW'ing hears shots, runs to the mayhem and helps subdue the mad shooter - MSM totally ignores a friendly gun in their quest for the true story. I concur. Mark LaRue agrees and is giving him a brand new rifle.... Quoted:
Watching Fox / Geraldo right ... Joe Zamudio (sic) ... 24 years old ... told Geraldo he was armed but decided not to whack the sumbitch for obvious safety-to-others reason. Joe said he was sitting on the sumbitch's legs while the other guy looked to Joe like he was trying his damndest to break th [span style='text-decoration: underline;']Joe is a cool cucumber ... and has a new rifle coming his way as soon as I figure out how to get it to him. If anybody knows what FFL he uses, let me know he uses, let me know. M. LaRue [/s] LINK All hail LaRue. wow BRAVO MARK! |
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there was a man with a camera who said 'shooter shooter get down' and I ran towards the noise
In a world full of sheep, it's good to have a few sheepdogs. |
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Would the CCW holder have gotten into legal trouble had he shot an active shooter, since he ran to where he heard the gunshots from? I say no, my friend claims that since it wasnt in his immediate vacinity, he could have gotten in trouble because he involved himself had he shot him while the guy was shooting.
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Would the CCW holder have gotten into legal trouble had he shot an active shooter, since he ran to where he heard the gunshots from? I say no, my friend claims that since it wasnt in his immediate vacinity, he could have gotten in trouble because he involved himself had he shot him while the guy was shooting. I happy to say that I can't imagine how your friend came to that conclusion. |
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Quoted: Would the CCW holder have gotten into legal trouble had he shot an active shooter, since he ran to where he heard the gunshots from? I say no, my friend claims that since it wasnt in his immediate vacinity, he could have gotten in trouble because he involved himself had he shot him while the guy was shooting. No, in my area the CHL holder would have received the keys to the city |
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Would the CCW holder have gotten into legal trouble had he shot an active shooter, since he ran to where he heard the gunshots from? I say no, my friend claims that since it wasnt in his immediate vacinity, he could have gotten in trouble because he involved himself had he shot him while the guy was shooting. I happy to say that I can't imagine how your friend came to that conclusion. He lives in NJ. I found what i was looking for to use in my argument anyway :) 2005 Arizona Code - Revised Statutes §13-406 Justification; defense of a third person A person is justified in threatening or using physical force or deadly physical force against another to protect a third person if: 1. Under the circumstances as a reasonable person would believe them to be, such person would be justified under section 13-404 or 13-405 in threatening or using physical force or deadly physical force to protect himself against the unlawful physical force or deadly physical force a reasonable person would believe is threatening the third person he seeks to protect; and 2. A reasonable person would believe that such person's intervention is immediately necessary to protect the third person. |
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there was a man with a camera who said 'shooter shooter get down' and I ran towards the noise
In a world full of sheep, it's good to have a few sheepdogs. Right on, that there is a hell of a man. Ran towards the vilonece, not away. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUmmOWL05r8&feature=related
Carry your guns (and know how to use them). We are the "first responders."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-3GTwalrGY
A most excellent interview with Joe. This one is a keepsake. Jeremy ETA: |
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Looks like Ed, in spite of being a "gun owner" is for gun control. Joe told him like it is.
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: He showed a lot of restraint. I might have held my foot to his neck and the barrel of my gun in his eye until the cops came. Yes, being the only non-uniform holding a gun on a chaotic scene like that is a GREAT idea. If there had been a need for a gun, fine, but if there is no reason to draw, then it is generally a better idea to keep your piece concealed. IMO, Mr. Zamudio did the correct thing. Part of the responsibility of carrying a firearm is not only knowing when to get it (or not get it) out, and keeping your cool. Real life is not the movies. I thought the exact same thing zoot OTOH, he probably could have gotten in a few gratuitous pistol whips and then re-holstered. |
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Quoted: Looks like Ed, in spite of being a "gun owner" is for gun control. Joe told him like it is. Hessian-1 I did not care much for ED's comments at all. " ...they have been a part of my family for over 33 years. I don't own any pistols, they were meant to kill." Okay ed, your deer rifle was meant for target practice only, stop killing things with it. You either support all firearms that are legal, or you don't. No middle ground when it comes to politics ED. Jeremy |
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