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Posted: 11/19/2010 9:59:39 AM
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Posted: 11/19/2010 10:03:38 AM
Got a link?I hadn't heard that.
Maybe they will classify above .50?And aren't calibers above 50 (except muzzleloaders and shotguns) a no no anyway? |
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Posted: 11/19/2010 10:04:28 AM
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Posted: 11/19/2010 10:05:12 AM
Sharp cheddar cheese is tasty but very brittle and a pain in the ass to slice nicely.
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Posted: 11/19/2010 10:05:32 AM
I had one - the damn thing blew up.
 somebody had to post it. |
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Posted: 11/19/2010 10:06:07 AM
nobody needs more than 100rnds/decade, right?
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Posted: 11/19/2010 10:06:10 AM
This thread is going somewhere. It could be serious, it could be Lulz. I'm tagging it either way.
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Posted: 11/19/2010 10:07:38 AM
Originally Posted By carguym14:
Got a link?I hadn't heard that. Maybe they will classify above .50?And aren't calibers above 50 (except muzzleloaders and shotguns) a no no anyway? You can legally buy 20 mm, as long as they do not have explosives in the bullet. |
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Posted: 11/19/2010 10:07:41 AM
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Posted: 11/19/2010 10:13:59 AM
Originally Posted By Razoreye:
Sharp cheddar cheese is tasty but very brittle and a pain in the ass to slice nicely. I think you would be interested in pre sliced Cracker Barrel cheddar cheese. All the taste of cheddar but without the slicing.  |
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Posted: 11/19/2010 10:15:08 AM
...and here I always thought the classification was destructive device.
Weird first post.  |
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Posted: 11/19/2010 10:16:02 AM
Originally Posted By snoopaloop:
Originally Posted By Razoreye:
Sharp cheddar cheese is tasty but very brittle and a pain in the ass to slice nicely. I think you would be interested in pre sliced Cracker Barrel cheddar cheese. All the taste of cheddar but without the slicing. Dropping a subscription to your newsletter in my mail slot now. Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out. |
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Posted: 11/19/2010 10:16:36 AM
Links or GTFO. There are plenty of folks here who know folks at ATF - heck, some posters here are friggin' ATF - and if this had been the works an alarm would have sounded long ago.
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Posted: 11/19/2010 10:54:57 AM
A link to what? How do you link to a meeting that is starting in Melson's office in 7 minutes?
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Posted: 11/19/2010 11:07:40 AM
OK, I'll get in for the ride.
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surveyor3
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Posted: 11/19/2010 11:08:48 AM
[Last Edit: 11/19/2010 11:09:04 AM by surveyor3]
In before "You seem...familiar."
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Posted: 11/19/2010 11:09:09 AM
Pure BS
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Posted: 11/19/2010 11:25:16 AM
Indeed. It's pure BS that EPS would attempt such a thing without even consulting FTB or industry. Which is probably why Melson, Herbert, Hoover and others are listening to a cadre of concerned folks right now. Seems like Mr. Brown, Mr. Cox, Mr. McGrath and several others are putting on a good presentation as to how such a new interpretation would be opening a pandoras box of unintended consequences.
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Posted: 11/19/2010 11:34:23 AM
Originally Posted By Bubbles:
Links or GTFO. There are plenty of folks here who know folks at ATF - heck, some posters a lot of lurkers here are friggin' ATF - and if this had been the works an alarm would have sounded long ago. Fixed it for you. |
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Posted: 11/19/2010 1:55:10 PM
Hey dude. Not to sound skeptical, but this is your first post, and you're making a wild claim.
I follow many NFA specific message boards and am a member of the NFATCA and I guarantee I would have heard if 20mm vulcans, 40mm, or 37mm non-explosive rounds, or shotshells were declared explosives. While i'm more than willing to hate the ATF more than I already am, you need to provide some solid sourcing. |
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Posted: 11/19/2010 2:06:33 PM
Thanks for being a member of the NFATCA. They happen to be the ones that took point on this. What kind of "proof of life" do you want? Not sure that Melson has monogrammed finger towels in the bathroom. I feel certain that this will be discussed in public in short order.
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Posted: 11/19/2010 2:11:20 PM
[Last Edit: 11/19/2010 2:12:54 PM by Mal_means_bad]
Post count, no links, etc. etc., but having expressed doubt- the ATF likely views the .50 BMG simply as a 4" metal casing typically containing 200-some odd gr. of powder (capable of more) equipped with an easily jury-rigged, pre-installed detonator and sold over the counter for a few dollars each with no records. I wouldn't put OP's claim past them.
They could dig up pictures of that soldier who blew his hand apart using a live round as hammer, start an "OMG, stop these potential off the shelf pipe bombs and toe poppers!" campaign easily enough. |
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Posted: 11/19/2010 2:12:19 PM
OK,so where are you getting your info on this??
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Posted: 11/19/2010 2:12:46 PM
Originally Posted By Razoreye:
Sharp cheddar cheese is tasty but very brittle and a pain in the ass to slice nicely. While you can describe the flavor of a particular cheddar as being 'sharp', please keep in mind that 'sharp' is NOT an official entry on the categorizations of different types of cheddar. (Though mild is, which is a fucking conspiracy if you ask me.) |
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Posted: 11/19/2010 2:14:11 PM
Tagging, to try and figure out wtf is going on in here
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Posted: 11/19/2010 2:15:53 PM
[Last Edit: 11/19/2010 2:16:16 PM by raysheen]
hmmm, OP are you saying that the ATF ruled 20mm ammo to now be an "explosive" and this is the first that we've heard of it?
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Posted: 11/19/2010 2:16:25 PM
Originally Posted By carguym14:
OK,so where are you getting your info on this?? At least answer this. |
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Posted: 11/19/2010 2:25:27 PM
TAg
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Posted: 11/19/2010 2:35:48 PM
Originally Posted By Kwisatz:
Thanks for being a member of the NFATCA. They happen to be the ones that took point on this. What kind of "proof of life" do you want? Not sure that Melson has monogrammed finger towels in the bathroom. I feel certain that this will be discussed in public in short order. How about: An oppinion letter, ATF press release, Magazine or newspaper article, blog entry, web link, etc... Heck, I'd take the word of a well known reputable internet expert like TonyK or Mongo. I'm more than willing to believe that the ATF is capapble of this, however this isn't the first witch hunts that didn't pan out. Anyone else remember the YHM flash hider debacle? Dude, I understand that with the anonymity of the internet age you could be someone like Dan Shea or Bob Landies, but I doubt it. Or are you an ATF whistleblower? Also, great user name. |
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Posted: 11/19/2010 2:37:30 PM
Make shit up Friday already?
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Posted: 11/19/2010 3:01:55 PM
Well it would appear that the NFATCA is already talking about it.
http://www.nfatca.org This isn't the first time an end run such as this has come up and then got squashed. I seem to remember Audrey Stuko trying to present such an opinion before, and then having to rescind it. Seems like somebody within ATF is trying to get the same bad ideas pushed through again. What is the old saw about doing things the same way over and over again and expecting different results? When this first came up, ATF was asked if they really wanted all of the folks who had a few boxes of .50 BMG (which happens to be .510 caliber) to be able to get licensed AND have the ability to buy real explosives? And did they really intend to classify a 40mm practice round driven by a .38 blank as an explosive? That's when the first retraction came about. But the snake showed up again and none of the players had a clue. Safari Club was stunned to learn that their members who loved to go on safari faced the prospect of having their cape guns declared as DD's and no way to legally transport even a few rounds via air. So what if it happened without proof? I think it is apparent that not everyone in ATF likes the bright lights of public scrutiny. |
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Posted: 11/19/2010 3:09:52 PM
Originally Posted By Kwisatz:
Well it would appear that the NFATCA is already talking about it. http://www.nfatca.orgThis isn't the first time an end run such as this has come up and then got squashed. I seem to remember Audrey Stuko trying to present such an opinion before, and then having to rescind it. Seems like somebody within ATF is trying to get the same bad ideas pushed through again. What is the old saw about doing things the same way over and over again and expecting different results? When this first came up, ATF was asked if they really wanted all of the folks who had a few boxes of .50 BMG (which happens to be .510 caliber) to be able to get licensed AND have the ability to buy real explosives? And did they really intend to classify a 40mm practice round driven by a .38 blank as an explosive? That's when the first retraction came about. But the snake showed up again and none of the players had a clue. Safari Club was stunned to learn that their members who loved to go on safari faced the prospect of having their cape guns declared as DD's and no way to legally transport even a few rounds via air. So what if it happened without proof? I think it is apparent that not everyone in ATF likes the bright lights of public scrutiny. Dude, that's all we asked for. So yes, this is a big deal. But people come on here without proof concocting all sorts of wild stories on how legal things are goign to be banned. |
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Posted: 11/19/2010 3:10:36 PM
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Posted: 11/19/2010 3:13:40 PM
Full text from NFATCA.org:
Recently, the NFATCA took the lead on an issue that could have far-reaching consequences in the NFA and Sporting communities. It was learned that ATF was seeking to create a definition of small arms ammunition under the aegis of the Safe Explosives Act. The definition was being created as an opinion letter and had no input from the firearms community. More importantly, it could have arrived as a declaration that all ammunition above .50 caliber would now be classified as an explosive. New licensing, regulation, administration and the prospect of re-classifying all weapons that used these new explosives were a very real possibility. The fact that this was "flying under the radar" of traditional firearms advocacy groups was troubling, to say the least. John Brown, NFATCA's President, arranged for a meeting with Acting Director Melson and his senior staff on November 19, 2010. Invitees to the meeting included senior officials from the NRA, SAAMI, Safari Club International and the NSSF.The prospects for calamity were reviewed and Mr. Melson agreed to assemble a working group, led by NFATCA, to make certain that "we get this right". Check back for regular updates. |
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Posted: 11/19/2010 3:30:53 PM
He is showing with his first post that he is coming on to the scene with a bang
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Posted: 11/19/2010 3:58:41 PM
Since I have some experience on other boards, I thought a dramatic flair would be a nice touch.
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Posted: 11/19/2010 4:10:42 PM
Originally Posted By Kwisatz:
Since I have some experience on other boards, I thought a dramatic flair would be a nice touch. It's all kinds of dramatical. It just works now that you have proof. |
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Posted: 11/19/2010 4:23:42 PM
Originally Posted By Tomislav:
Originally Posted By Razoreye:
Sharp cheddar cheese is tasty but very brittle and a pain in the ass to slice nicely. While you can describe the flavor of a particular cheddar as being 'sharp', please keep in mind that 'sharp' is NOT an official entry on the categorizations of different types of cheddar. (Though mild is, which is a fucking conspiracy if you ask me.) I love me a good sharp cheddar myself. I'm not a cheese expert, but are not the lighter and harder ones generally the most "sharp" ala Vermont or Canadian? |
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Posted: 11/19/2010 4:58:12 PM
Originally Posted By patio87:
Originally Posted By Tomislav:
Originally Posted By Razoreye:
Sharp cheddar cheese is tasty but very brittle and a pain in the ass to slice nicely. While you can describe the flavor of a particular cheddar as being 'sharp', please keep in mind that 'sharp' is NOT an official entry on the categorizations of different types of cheddar. (Though mild is, which is a fucking conspiracy if you ask me.) I love me a good sharp cheddar myself. I'm not a cheese expert, but are not the lighter and harder ones generally the most "sharp" ala Vermont or Canadian? 'Sharp' generally refers to cheddar that is aged longer (For example, 'extra sharp' the longest, followed by 'sharp', followed by 'mild', in terms of length of aging.) Whole Foods sometimes has a nice and sharp aged Canadian ('Diamond' or something like that?) KILLER good stuff. 'Sharp' is not a FDA regulated term, though, leading to various less scrupulous brands using chemicals in place of aging to add a tangy flavor to the cheese. Of all the things to not regulate, sheesh! |
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