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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:40:49 PM
Title says it. Not for sale. Internet sources are conflicting so I dont know. To distill a small amount to drink, not fuel nor barter nor to render hookers unconscious is it legal?


I know you can make wine and beer so it stands to reason distilling spirits SHOULD be fine.


Legal?

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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:42:56 PM
Nope, not one drop..
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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:43:22 PM
Nope not legal,go straight to PYITA prison.
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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:44:31 PM
Depends on your state's blue laws. Yes blue laws. Fucking blue laws.
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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:44:36 PM
I would. But... I ... um... don't... own.. a still!

If you make some, I would buy it!
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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:47:13 PM
Originally Posted By GC7:
Depends on your state's blue laws. Yes blue laws. Fucking blue laws.


Its federal.
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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:47:15 PM
According to this, there's an underground association of distillers - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXcalGrgjM8
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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:48:09 PM
I've always heard it was legal, as long as you weren't selling it.

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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:48:41 PM

Originally Posted By GC7:
Depends on your state's blue laws. Yes blue laws. Fucking blue laws.


No its a federal law. Not one drop for any reason.
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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:49:34 PM
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the guy on the history channel show last night made a still and made some moonshine, they never put up a disclaimer or anything (THAT I SAW) i bet alot of ppl watched and are like WOOHOO gonna make me a still!
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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:50:08 PM

Its only illegal if you get caught.......

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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:51:14 PM
Nope - totally illegal to distill in the USA without a tax stamp.
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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:51:21 PM
It's only illegal if you get caught.


There are some very good resources on the web, I would google bokabob and move on from there.
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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:52:40 PM
Originally Posted By rykn0w:
the guy on the history channel show last night made a still and made some moonshine, they never put up a disclaimer or anything (THAT I SAW) i bet alot of ppl watched and are like WOOHOO gonna make me a still!


Yup, always thought it illegal. This had me wondering.

I would never advocate violating the law but I would be lying if I said I never considered it.

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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:53:39 PM
Homebrew beer isn't.
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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:54:49 PM
Originally Posted By rykn0w:
the guy on the history channel show last night made a still and made some moonshine, they never put up a disclaimer or anything (THAT I SAW) i bet alot of ppl watched and are like WOOHOO gonna make me a still!


Yeah, I saw that, too. Excellent video for evidence if they decide to give him shit. Seems kind of foolish to break the law on camera like that, assuming the info is correct (and it's been overwhelming so far in the various threads on the subject.)

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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:54:56 PM
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I think you can only make beer and wine.
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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:55:40 PM
No. Not legal.


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From what I've seen on TV, it appears to be legal in South Korea.



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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:55:55 PM
No, it is illegal, regardless of whether you intend to sell it or if it is for personal consumption only. It is not illegal for safety reasons, it is illegal for fucking tax reasons. If you look at what is actually required to distill legally, a bunch of the regulations are geared towards knowing exactly how much ethanol you have produced so that taxes can be set accordingly. I bet you could find a (non internet type) link on this that goes all the way back to the Whiskey Rebellion.

Now, I'm not opposed to regulations that say "hey, your still had better be safe enough so that it doesn't blow up your neighbor's house," but as it is now, it really is ridiculous. That being said, if it truly is only for personal consumption, you are a lot less likely to get busted than if you are selling the stuff. They are less likely to notice and if they do, more likely to not want to deal with the paperwork over a couple of gallons. But still, if you do it, you are doing it at your own risk.
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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:56:21 PM
Originally Posted By AZ_Sky:
Nope - totally illegal to distill in the USA without a tax stamp.


Somebody better tell most college Chemistry Departments, we used to make alcohol in class as part of our lab assignments. Wasn't on a huge scale... well in the lab at least

Teaching a bunch of fraternity men how to distill alcohol was not a wise move.
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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:57:08 PM
Originally Posted By gonoles:

Originally Posted By GC7:
Depends on your state's blue laws. Yes blue laws. Fucking blue laws.


No its a federal law. Not one drop for any reason.


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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:58:18 PM
so how'd the guy on history channel skirt around the law?
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Posted: 11/17/2010 9:58:25 PM
Originally Posted By Angel_King:
Originally Posted By GC7:
Depends on your state's blue laws. Yes blue laws. Fucking blue laws.


Its federal.



Some states have laws as well. In Florida it is a misdemeanor to possess up to a gallon of homemade liquor, over one gallon is a felony. They also have several laws regarding transporting, selling, and possessing "untaxed" liquor as well.

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Posted: 11/17/2010 10:01:38 PM
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Originally Posted By gonoles:

Originally Posted By GC7:
Depends on your state's blue laws. Yes blue laws. Fucking blue laws.


No its a federal law. Not one drop for any reason.


Will someone please post the relevant "federal" law regarding the making of liquor for personal use?
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Posted: 11/17/2010 10:08:33 PM
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Posted: 11/17/2010 10:11:55 PM
Originally Posted By MEH:
Originally Posted By gonoles:

Originally Posted By GC7:
Depends on your state's blue laws. Yes blue laws. Fucking blue laws.


No its a federal law. Not one drop for any reason.


Will someone please post the relevant "federal" law regarding the making of liquor for personal use?


This was posted in another thread on the subject in the SF:
"From US Code: TITLE 26 > Subtitle E > CHAPTER 51 > Subchapter J > PART I > § 5601

§ 5601. Criminal penalties

(a) Offenses Any person who—

(1) Unregistered stills
has in his possession or custody, or under his control, any still or distilling apparatus set up which is not registered, as required by section 5179 (a)"

Apparently the actual physical still itself is kinda like an NFA item.

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Posted: 11/17/2010 10:12:06 PM
After watching the guy make some last night I so want to make a still and barrel some and age it for personal use. I just want to see if I can do it.
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Posted: 11/17/2010 10:13:06 PM

Originally Posted By MEH:
Originally Posted By gonoles:

Originally Posted By GC7:
Depends on your state's blue laws. Yes blue laws. Fucking blue laws.


No its a federal law. Not one drop for any reason.


Will someone please post the relevant "federal" law regarding the making of liquor for personal use?


The Federal Alcohol Administration Act (FAA Act), 27 U.S.C. § 203, requires a
basic permit in order to engage in the business of importing into the United States,
distilled spirits, wine or malt beverages. Likewise, a basic permit is required to engage in
the business of distilling distilled spirits or producing wine. Finally, a basic permit is
required for persons who engage in the business of purchasing for resale at wholesale
distilled spirits, wine or malt beverages. 27 U.S.C. § 203. Retailers are not required to
obtain basic permits under the FAA Act. The FAA Act provides that basic permits are
conditioned upon, among other things, compliance with the Twenty-first Amendment and
other Federal laws relating to its enforcement.
27 U.S.C. § 204(d).


http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/qb/2000/atf-quarterly-bulletin-2000-volume-2-bureau-rulings.pdf


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Posted: 11/17/2010 10:13:37 PM
Originally Posted By MEH:
Originally Posted By gonoles:

Originally Posted By GC7:
Depends on your state's blue laws. Yes blue laws. Fucking blue laws.


No its a federal law. Not one drop for any reason.


Will someone please post the relevant "federal" law regarding the making of liquor for personal use?


Not sure if it's the right thing.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26/5601.shtml
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Posted: 11/17/2010 10:13:44 PM
Originally Posted By medicdubs:
After watching the guy make some last night I so want to make a still and barrel some and age it for personal use. I just want to see if I can do it.


So not worth it... just easier to buy a couple cheap cases of whiskey and vodka and store it for a rainy day.
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Posted: 11/17/2010 10:15:00 PM
http://www.ttb.gov/faqs/genalcohol.shtml

My dad's family was "in the business" 50 years ago. Didn't turn out well.
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Posted: 11/17/2010 10:18:18 PM
Originally Posted By machinisttx:

Originally Posted By MEH:
Originally Posted By gonoles:

Originally Posted By GC7:
Depends on your state's blue laws. Yes blue laws. Fucking blue laws.


No its a federal law. Not one drop for any reason.


Will someone please post the relevant "federal" law regarding the making of liquor for personal use?


The Federal Alcohol Administration Act (FAA Act), 27 U.S.C. § 203, requires a
basic permit in order to engage in the business of importing into the United States,
distilled spirits, wine or malt beverages. Likewise, a basic permit is required to engage in
the business of distilling distilled spirits or producing wine. Finally, a basic permit is
required for persons who engage in the business of purchasing for resale at wholesale
distilled spirits, wine or malt beverages. 27 U.S.C. § 203. Retailers are not required to
obtain basic permits under the FAA Act. The FAA Act provides that basic permits are
conditioned upon, among other things, compliance with the Twenty-first Amendment and
other Federal laws relating to its enforcement.
27 U.S.C. § 204(d).


http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/qb/2000/atf-quarterly-bulletin-2000-volume-2-bureau-rulings.pdf




The part I found referred to other parts (who knows what's in that), but this one refers to "business of"....

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Posted: 11/17/2010 10:20:36 PM

Originally Posted By machinisttx:

Originally Posted By MEH:
Originally Posted By gonoles:

Originally Posted By GC7:
Depends on your state's blue laws. Yes blue laws. Fucking blue laws.


No its a federal law. Not one drop for any reason.


Will someone please post the relevant "federal" law regarding the making of liquor for personal use?


The Federal Alcohol Administration Act (FAA Act), 27 U.S.C. § 203, requires a
basic permit in order to engage in the business of importing into the United States,
distilled spirits, wine or malt beverages. Likewise, a basic permit is required to engage in
the business of distilling distilled spirits or producing wine. Finally, a basic permit is
required for persons who engage in the business of purchasing for resale at wholesale
distilled spirits, wine or malt beverages. 27 U.S.C. § 203. Retailers are not required to
obtain basic permits under the FAA Act. The FAA Act provides that basic permits are
conditioned upon, among other things, compliance with the Twenty-first Amendment and
other Federal laws relating to its enforcement.
27 U.S.C. § 204(d).


http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/qb/2000/atf-quarterly-bulletin-2000-volume-2-bureau-rulings.pdf




What if you're not setting about The Business? But instead perhaps The Hobby?

Sort of like selling firearms to enhance your collection... as a collector, not as a gun dealer.




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Posted: 11/17/2010 10:21:53 PM
Popcorn Sutton was the last true old school moonshiners. You can watch all the videos on youtube. RIP good sir.
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Posted: 11/17/2010 10:22:22 PM

Originally Posted By Stonerriflefan44:
Popcorn Sutton was the last true old school moonshiners. You can watch all the videos on youtube. RIP good sir.

He was truly a man among men.
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You can supposedly get a personal use permit to make fuel alcohol for your own use without having to denature it.

The permit is for very small scale distillation only, and the output cannot be drank.

I do not know any details, this is just something I read.

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Posted: 11/17/2010 10:23:00 PM
Question is whether they consider building a still to be like building a DIAS...

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Imagine getting caught with moonshine, an unregistered machine gun and a carton of untaxed cigarettes.
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Imagine getting caught with moonshine, an unregistered machine gun and a carton of untaxed cigarettes.

Ever been to rural Kentucky?
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Question is whether they consider building a still to be like building a DIAS...

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There are legitimate uses for a still.

Can you please stop telling me that I have a hobby of NOT collecting stamps? Seriously, I don't collect stamps. I don't mind that you collect stamps, and it's a fine hobby I'm sure. Please stop calling this thing I don't do, a hobby of mine.
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Posted: 11/17/2010 10:33:41 PM
Not sure about moonshine but you can make 100 gallons of wine per person, per house hold, up to 200 gallons a year for personal use. I started making some earlier this year. Ive made about 15 gallons so far.
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Posted: 11/17/2010 10:34:15 PM
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I have family in academia studying distillation ... they agree with the folks here saying that you cannot distill for personal use. So buy the legal stuff if you want to stay on the right side of the law.

I know it's not the real thing (and apparently it is FAR lower quality than the real McCoy), but I just got these:



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Originally Posted By NoStockBikes:
Question is whether they consider building a still to be like building a DIAS...

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There are legitimate uses for a still.



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Originally Posted By Mr45auto:
Title says it. Not for sale. Internet sources are conflicting so I dont know. To distill a small amount to drink, not fuel nor barter nor to render hookers unconscious is it legal?



Who gives a shit any more. So many stupid laws just do it and keep mum.
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Imagine getting caught with moonshine, an unregistered machine gun and a carton of untaxed cigarettes.

You'd probably wish you woulda killed someone instead.
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I have family in academia studying distillation ... they agree with the folks here saying that you cannot distill for personal use. So buy the legal stuff if you want to stay on the right side of the law.

I know it's not the real thing (and apparently it is FAR lower quality than the real McCoy), but I just got these:

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg242/stockshift/2010%20Smoky%20Mountain%20National%20Park%20TN/Day4-TSAInspectedMoonshine3Large.jpg



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Homebrew beer isn't.


Well that just makes everything better now doesn't it.

I sure am glad the federal government lets me brew beer.
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