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complete
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All my friends warned me about DPMS' piss poor quality control.





But,





hey,





I thought,





they're a big company,





been around for years,





so they must be putting out quality products.
So I bought a new one.
Not happy that I got a 19rnd and a 10rnd mag instead of two 19rndrs. The case still had the factory tamper-proof seals on it.





My pile of parts would group 6" with match ammo at 100 yards, on a bench rest, with other shooters doing no better. The chamber was seriously messed up,with sharp groves that would grab the shell casing and cause numerous FTEs. Along with magazines that would contribute to frequent loading jams, It quickly became the 2nd worst firearm I've ever bought. I do not believe the factory ever test fired the rifle.





I bought just after Obummer got elected, when DPMS customer service virtually disappeared.





I took a $450 loss on that POS.





Stay turned, the DPMS koolaid drinkers will be here shortly.

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I've got a stock AP4 that is accurate and reliable.   The rifle will shoot FGMM into sub 1" at 100yds with boring regularity.   I have another but the only parts DPMS made are the receivers and carrier so I guess I cant go into that one.

Buy some of the Magpul magazines and you're good to go.   Personally though I'd rather go to a 20" barrel so you can get out a bit further and take advantage of the .308s longer legs.

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I got a FAL for reaching out.





But the sportical at that price was beckoning me.





 

Nice theory,


That is some seriously strong koolaid.


Here’s reality...



I still have the factory shipping case...


And here it is...










Now, if ya look reeeeeeal close at one end,   you can see a factory seal, deliberately placed smack dab over the seam of the two-piece case.   Now, that was done to show if anyone, besides the buyer, had opened the case.   That seal was intact when I received the rifle.
Perhaps you have some other euphemism for “tamper-proof” that the rest of us aren’t familiar with?

Yes, I did black out parts of the bar code.   Sorry, but I find the fanaticism, with which your PR department denies reality, quite disturbing.





And if you look back at the open case, you’ll see that seal was placed on the end where the two mags were packed.   Which suggests to me, the 10 rounder was a factory “mistake”.   That mag is still with the case.  It cost me another $50 to buy a replacement, due to the election time price hikes.   I seriously doubt the distributor made a swap.   I have had several conversations with them, a small family operation, and they were the most honest, helpful people I’ve dealt with in many years.   They offered to send me a 19 rounder, free,  when they could obtain one, but I declined, because I didn’t feel it was their mistake.  I’ll assume it was a mistake.   I hope no one at the factory was substituting 10s for 19s, so they could resell the 19s for $50+.


And here’s another case.



An unfired .308 case.    I lightly bead-blasted this, placed it in the chamber and rotated it to discover  what was causing the cases to stick.   The bright rings tell the story.    I later used a sophisticated borescope to inspect the chamber, and confirmed raised circular ridges inside.   That explained the Failures to Extract.  I tried inserting a fired case, but it required a hammer to get it into the chamber.    I spent hours, with various grades of sandpaper glued to empty cases, to sand down the ridges.    Perhaps your machining department should consider more frequent replacement of chamber reamers.  


The Failures to Feed were attributed by many, to poorly designed mags.   And I believe your company was exchanging them for better functioning ones.    I bought six new mags, and got five lemons, all causing FTFs.


I tried contacting your company about the wrong mag, the faulty mags, the messed up chamber, and the poor accuracy, but the manufacturing frenzy created by the election apparently required customer service to pull other duties instead.   Phone calls got voicemail with a request to leave a message (never returned) and your website had a message plastered over it stating you were unable to respond to email at that time.   That message stayed up for at least a few weeks.
I know your company denied this previously, but I did take a screen shot of your web page.  If I find it, I’ll post it here.


Do you realize, that every time you make a blanket denial post, the credibility of your company takes another step deeper into the crapper?   Do a search of this site and others.   The problems with your rifles and mags are now very well documented.


Maybe your CEO should make a phone call to Ed Avila, and have this thread vaporized, before anyone else reads it, or copies it to another website.   Whoops!,  too late.  


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 1. possession of firm principles: the quality of possessing and steadfastly adhering to high moral principles or professional standards.   In western ethics, integrity is regarded as the quality of having an intuitive sense of honesty and truthfulness in regard to the motivations for one's actions.

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WOW tag for answer





 

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Gotta say, backed up his original post pretty dang well.

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Sounds like you got a Lemon. The post here sound more positive than negative by a fairly large number. I think with any product a bad one slips through the cracks now and then. I guess the Beef would be is that there not standing behind the product but other posters are saying the CS is very helpful.