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Posted: 8/26/2010 7:32:56 AM EDT
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GLOCK Picked 10:1 over any other handgun by retarded juggalos.... 
GLOCK a 30 yr old obsolete marginal quality handgun Glock. The handgun of Choice of 7 out of 10 American lawmen. That is an undeniable fact.  if you want anyone to take you seriously here you may want to tell everyone where you actually got this factoid. If its from Glocks or GLOCKS website its a pitch. Now if its from an independant study group that takes a talley from each department nation wide as to what their "issue" handgun is then post it. Other wise you are ruining my next handgun purchase years in the making |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 7:34:30 AM EDT
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Quoted: Delta, SOCOM, and some Rangers have used them.Quoted: A good number of our "operators" use them.  |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 7:39:26 AM EDT
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Quoted: The letters have different sounds in Cyrillic. In English it would be OMON (Otryad Militsii Osobogo Naznacheniya) aka Special Purpose Police Unit. Basically Russian for SWAT. I wonder if he's proud to wear that uniform when he looks in the mirror every morning. Quoted: The Glock pistol is used in some fashion by almost every country on the planet. Even Russia. http://media.englishrussia.com/moscow_swat/21.jpg |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 7:39:58 AM EDT
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BTW, it's spelled GLOCK. Gaston's last name is "GLOCK", not "Glock"? News to me. Apparently you have never looked at their marketing literature. In fact, GLOCK pistol homepage. feel free to give me a dime for every all caps GLOCK you see .Words like that are generally typed in accordance with standard English orthography, regardless of how the owner of the name chooses to do it. For example, Adidas chooses not to capitalize the "A", but most other people do when writing their name, because the rules of English trump their marketing strategy. Look in articles written by professionals, with professional editors (such as magazine or newspaper articles), and you will find that GLOCK is generally written as "Glock" and adidas is generally written as "Adidas", and so on. I call it lack of attention to detail. If you were THAT worried about detail you'd realize that the spelling of GLOCK and Glock are the same, but the capitalization is what's different.
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Posted: 8/26/2010 7:43:48 AM EDT
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock#Users Users CountryOrganizationModel AustraliaNew South Wales Department of Corrective Services [57] , New South Wales Police,[58][59] Queensland Police,[59] Western Australia Police,[59] and Northern Territory Police[59]Glock 22, Glock 23, Glock 27 Glock 17 outfitted with a thumb safety was designed specifically for the Tasmania Police[60] Also used by the Australian Customs and Border Protection Service[61]Glock 17 AustriaAustrian Armed Forces[62][63][64]Glock 17 (designated Pistole 80) BelgiumBelgium police (federal and local)[65]Glock 17, Glock 19, Glock 26 CanadaNumerous local law enforcement agencies including those of Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa, Saskatoon, South Coast British Columbia Transportation Authority Police Service, and Toronto[63]- Czech RepublicNon-standard sidearm issued to personnel on international deployments[66]Glock 17 EcuadorNational Police[63]- Various special police units such as the GOE and GIR[63]- FijiTactical Response Unit[67]- FinlandPrimary service firearm of the police[68]- Defence Forces[69]Glock 17 (designated 9.00 PIST 2008) Department of Corrections (Vankeinhoitolaitos)[69]- Border Guard[69]- FranceCertain naval and parachute units of the French Army[64][70]Glock 17 GeorgiaSpecial forces[63][64]Glock 17 GermanyGSG 9 of the German Federal Police[63]Glock 17 GreeceEKAM[71]Glock 21 GreenlandSiriuspatruljen[72]Glock 20 Hong KongSpecial Duties Unit[63]Glock 17 Hong Kong Police Force[63]Glock 17 IcelandIcelandic National Police[73][74][75]- Víkingasveitin[73][74][75]- ICRU[73][74][75] IndiaNational Security Guards[63][76]Glock 17, Glock 26 Special Protection Group (replaced with FN Five-seven in 2008)[77]Glock 17 IndonesiaIndonesian Armed Forces[64]Glock 17 IraqIraqi security forces (largest user, purchased 125,163 pistols)[78][79]Glock 19 IsraelIsraeli Defense Forces[64]Glock 17 JordanPresidential Guard[63]- KosovoKosovo Police[80][81]Glock 17 Kosovo Security Force[80][81]Glock 17 LatviaLatvian Military[64][82]Glock 17 LithuaniaLithuanian Armed Forces[64][83]Glock 17 LuxembourgUnité Spéciale de la Police of the Grand Ducal Police[84][85]Glock 17, Glock 26 MalaysiaMalaysian Armed Forces[86]Glock 17, Glock 19, Glock 34 Royal Malaysian Police[86]- MexicoSecretaria de Marina[63]- MontenegroMilitary of Montenegro[87]Glock 17 NetherlandsMilitary of the Netherlands[64][88][89]Glock 17, Glock 26 Dutch police (about 250 Glock 17 pistols in use as a stopgap measure by the Arrestatieteam (the SWAT-team of the Dutch police), Glock 26 used by the Royal Marechaussee of the Brigade Speciale Beveiligingsopdrachten unit persoonsbeveiliging (PB), observatie team (OT) and sky marshals sections.)[90][91][92][93]Glock 17, Glock 26 New ZealandNew Zealand Police[94]Glock 17 NorwayRoyal Norwegian Army[63][64]Glock 17 (designated P-80) PhilippinesPhilippine National Police[63]- National Bureau of Investigation[63]- National Intelligence Coordinating Agency[63]- Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency[63]- PolandPolish Armed Forces[64]Glock 17 Polish police[95]Glock 19 PortugalPortuguese Marine Corps[64][96]Glock 17 Republican National Guard[96]Glock 19 Public Security Police[96]Glock 19 RomaniaRomanian Armed Forces[64]Glock 17 RussiaMinistry of Internal Affairs (MVD)[97][98]- SingaporeSingapore Prison Service [99]Glock 19 Special Task Squadron (STS) of the Police Coast Guard [100]Glock 19 SpainGuardia Civil's UEI[101]Glock 17 SwedenSwedish Armed Forces[64][102][103]Glock 17 (designated Pistol 88), Glock 19 (designated Pistol 88B) SwitzerlandPolice (Gendarmerie) Cantonal of Geneva[104]Glock 19 ThailandNational police (2,238 pistols)[63]Glock 19 United KingdomSpecialist Firearms Command of the London Metropolitan Police Service[105]Glock 17, Glock 26 [106][107] Scottish Police Specialist Firearms Units[108]Glock 17 Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI)[109]Glock 17 United StatesDepartment of Treasury IRS Criminal Investigation Division[110]- Drug Enforcement Administration[111]- New York City Police Department[112]Glock 19 Baltimore City Police Department[113]Glock 22 Thousands of other law enforcement agencies at the federal, state and local levels[2]- VenezuelaVenezuelan Armed Forces[63][64]Glock 17 Read that long long list and weep glock haters. Face it the G17 is one of the most reliable firearms around. Your confusing glock hand grenades with 40 S&W hot loads. you did read that most of that list has been debunked as either non military or just wrong. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 8:00:36 AM EDT
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FACT: The Glock is the most reliable semi-automatic handgun EVER adopted for military use. Well, if its a fact, I'm sure you can find some proof to back that statement up. If only you had said "most numerous pistol in the hands of LE and militaries worldwide"... Which still wouldn't be a GLOCK(for you pansies bitching about how to type it), it would be a CZ75 style handgun. Prove that the statement is wrong. I bet you cannot do it. Answer my question G series. Prove to me the statement is even warranted. You pop up in threads on the regular and demonstrate your lack of intelligence. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 8:00:40 AM EDT
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So why is it that a military won't use a pistol without external safeties but police forces will?
Regular military, other than some Special Operations Unit and Marksmanship Training Units, their primary weapon are crew serve weapons or the rifle, and the pistol is a secondary weapon, therefore receive minimum or very little training. They are paranoid with a holstered loaded pistol (a friend just came back from Iraq on convoy duty, and their SOP is loaded mag and empty chamber for their M9 even on operation), whereas walk / drive / conduct mission with loaded, cock and locked M4 and M249. I have shot with the guy, and took me a while to convince him out of the fear of a loaded pistol in the holster. As for police, their primary weapons are pistol, and their backup weapons are either the M4 or shotgun, as a result, they receive more training witht he pistol than long arms. LE (unless those that been in the office for too long) always have a loaded pistol with one in the chamber, but the long arms normally have empty chamber. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 8:20:11 AM EDT
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So why is it that a military won't use a pistol without external safeties but police forces will?
Regular military, other than some Special Operations Unit and Marksmanship Training Units, their primary weapon are crew serve weapons or the rifle, and the pistol is a secondary weapon, therefore receive minimum or very little training. They are paranoid with a holstered loaded pistol (a friend just came back from Iraq on convoy duty, and their SOP is loaded mag and empty chamber for their M9 even on operation), whereas walk / drive / conduct mission with loaded, cock and locked M4 and M249. I have shot with the guy, and took me a while to convince him out of the fear of a loaded pistol in the holster. As for police, their primary weapons are pistol, and their backup weapons are either the M4 or shotgun, as a result, they receive more training witht he pistol than long arms. LE (unless those that been in the office for too long) always have a loaded pistol with one in the chamber, but the long arms normally have empty chamber. True. Air Force is the only one that carries loaded chamber all the time... |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 9:26:18 AM EDT
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So why is it that a military won't use a pistol without external safeties but police forces will?
Regular military, other than some Special Operations Unit and Marksmanship Training Units, their primary weapon are crew serve weapons or the rifle, and the pistol is a secondary weapon, therefore receive minimum or very little training. They are paranoid with a holstered loaded pistol (a friend just came back from Iraq on convoy duty, and their SOP is loaded mag and empty chamber for their M9 even on operation), whereas walk / drive / conduct mission with loaded, cock and locked M4 and M249. I have shot with the guy, and took me a while to convince him out of the fear of a loaded pistol in the holster. As for police, their primary weapons are pistol, and their backup weapons are either the M4 or shotgun, as a result, they receive more training witht he pistol than long arms. LE (unless those that been in the office for too long) always have a loaded pistol with one in the chamber, but the long arms normally have empty chamber. True. Air Force is the only one that carries loaded chamber all the time... Really? So what happens when they actually need their sidearm right then and there but have to chamber a round?
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Posted: 8/26/2010 10:53:03 AM EDT
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FACT: The Glock is the most reliable semi-automatic handgun EVER adopted for military use. Well, if its a fact, I'm sure you can find some proof to back that statement up. If only you had said "most numerous pistol in the hands of LE and militaries worldwide"... Which still wouldn't be a GLOCK(for you pansies bitching about how to type it), it would be a CZ75 style handgun. Prove that the statement is wrong. I bet you cannot do it. That's not the way it works. It is your assertion, therefore the burden of proof is yours. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 11:06:28 AM EDT
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FACT: The Glock is the most reliable semi-automatic handgun EVER adopted for military use. Well, if its a fact, I'm sure you can find some proof to back that statement up. If only you had said "most numerous pistol in the hands of LE and militaries worldwide"... Which still wouldn't be a GLOCK(for you pansies bitching about how to type it), it would be a CZ75 style handgun. Prove that the statement is wrong. I bet you cannot do it. That's not the way it works. It is your assertion, therefore the burden of proof is yours. as usual he is the hit and run queen. no facts no substance..... kinda like obama |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 11:08:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: FACT: The Glock is the most reliable semi-automatic handgun EVER adopted for military use. Well, if its a fact, I'm sure you can find some proof to back that statement up. If only you had said "most numerous pistol in the hands of LE and militaries worldwide"... Which still wouldn't be a GLOCK(for you pansies bitching about how to type it), it would be a CZ75 style handgun. Prove that the statement is wrong. I bet you cannot do it. You made the claim; the burden of proof is on you. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 11:28:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2010 11:30:39 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So why is it that a military won't use a pistol without external safeties but police forces will? Regular military, other than some Special Operations Unit and Marksmanship Training Units, their primary weapon are crew serve weapons or the rifle, and the pistol is a secondary weapon, therefore receive minimum or very little training. They are paranoid with a holstered loaded pistol (a friend just came back from Iraq on convoy duty, and their SOP is loaded mag and empty chamber for their M9 even on operation), whereas walk / drive / conduct mission with loaded, cock and locked M4 and M249. I have shot with the guy, and took me a while to convince him out of the fear of a loaded pistol in the holster. As for police, their primary weapons are pistol, and their backup weapons are either the M4 or shotgun, as a result, they receive more training witht he pistol than long arms. LE (unless those that been in the office for too long) always have a loaded pistol with one in the chamber, but the long arms normally have empty chamber. True. Air Force is the only one that carries loaded chamber all the time... Nope, we carry condition 1 M9 as well. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 12:40:17 PM EDT
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So why is it that a military won't use a pistol without external safeties but police forces will?
Regular military, other than some Special Operations Unit and Marksmanship Training Units, their primary weapon are crew serve weapons or the rifle, and the pistol is a secondary weapon, therefore receive minimum or very little training. They are paranoid with a holstered loaded pistol (a friend just came back from Iraq on convoy duty, and their SOP is loaded mag and empty chamber for their M9 even on operation), whereas walk / drive / conduct mission with loaded, cock and locked M4 and M249. I have shot with the guy, and took me a while to convince him out of the fear of a loaded pistol in the holster. As for police, their primary weapons are pistol, and their backup weapons are either the M4 or shotgun, as a result, they receive more training witht he pistol than long arms. LE (unless those that been in the office for too long) always have a loaded pistol with one in the chamber, but the long arms normally have empty chamber. True. Air Force is the only one that carries loaded chamber all the time... Really? So what happens when they actually need their sidearm right then and there but have to chamber a round?Gonna have to ask the Army folks. Anytime we left a FOB the Army would look at as like we were nuts, jacking rounds into handguns at the clearing barrels  
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Posted: 8/26/2010 12:42:09 PM EDT
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So why is it that a military won't use a pistol without external safeties but police forces will?
Regular military, other than some Special Operations Unit and Marksmanship Training Units, their primary weapon are crew serve weapons or the rifle, and the pistol is a secondary weapon, therefore receive minimum or very little training. They are paranoid with a holstered loaded pistol (a friend just came back from Iraq on convoy duty, and their SOP is loaded mag and empty chamber for their M9 even on operation), whereas walk / drive / conduct mission with loaded, cock and locked M4 and M249. I have shot with the guy, and took me a while to convince him out of the fear of a loaded pistol in the holster. As for police, their primary weapons are pistol, and their backup weapons are either the M4 or shotgun, as a result, they receive more training witht he pistol than long arms. LE (unless those that been in the office for too long) always have a loaded pistol with one in the chamber, but the long arms normally have empty chamber. True. Air Force is the only one that carries loaded chamber all the time... Nope, we carry condition 1 M9 as well. Didn't know that. MA, I assume? |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 1:18:28 PM EDT
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So why is it that a military won't use a pistol without external safeties but police forces will?
Regular military, other than some Special Operations Unit and Marksmanship Training Units, their primary weapon are crew serve weapons or the rifle, and the pistol is a secondary weapon, therefore receive minimum or very little training. They are paranoid with a holstered loaded pistol (a friend just came back from Iraq on convoy duty, and their SOP is loaded mag and empty chamber for their M9 even on operation), whereas walk / drive / conduct mission with loaded, cock and locked M4 and M249. I have shot with the guy, and took me a while to convince him out of the fear of a loaded pistol in the holster. As for police, their primary weapons are pistol, and their backup weapons are either the M4 or shotgun, as a result, they receive more training witht he pistol than long arms. LE (unless those that been in the office for too long) always have a loaded pistol with one in the chamber, but the long arms normally have empty chamber. True. Air Force is the only one that carries loaded chamber all the time... Really? So what happens when they actually need their sidearm right then and there but have to chamber a round?Gonna have to ask the Army folks. Anytime we left a FOB the Army would look at as like we were nuts, jacking rounds into handguns at the clearing barrels I have heard of some support units that have that SOP, but I know for a fact that my unit was always red on patrol, amber on the JSS and green on large FOB's like Victory or Taji that required it. I also heard of a pogue unit on Liberty that took away the bolts of its soldiers after the mental health clinic shooting. Fuck you and fuck that, the mentality that drives that is disgusting. That and the jack dicks that have there weapon completely non functional like the mag carrier blocking the charging handle, the "dust covers" from the hadji shop that cover the entire reciever, or the weapons slung upside and backwards across their back. 
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Posted: 8/26/2010 2:07:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: I know at least one local FBI guy that carries a Glock. All FBI agents are required to carry either a model 22 or 23 and are authorized to carry a privately owned 27. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 2:10:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: GLOCK a 30 yr old obsolete marginal quality handgun "Obsolete?"  At a mere 28 years old, the Glock is amongst the newest commonly used firearms designs. Also, the Glock uses only the highest quality materials and manufacturing processes. This is unarguable. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 2:15:51 PM EDT
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The Glock pistol is used in some fashion by almost every country on the planet. Even Russia. http://media.englishrussia.com/moscow_swat/21.jpg I see what you did there! 
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Posted: 8/26/2010 2:17:51 PM EDT
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No, Beretta has more better lobbyist in Washington
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Posted: 8/26/2010 2:19:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Glock. The handgun of Choice of 7 out of 10 American lawmen. That is an undeniable fact. if you want anyone to take you seriously here you may want to tell everyone where you actually got this factoid. The Glock pistol is used by 65% of U.S. law enforcement, or approximately 7,500 LE agencies. Google it. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 2:21:31 PM EDT
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GLOCK Picked 10:1 over any other handgun by retarded juggalos....
GLOCK a 30 yr old obsolete marginal quality handgun Glock. The handgun of Choice of 7 out of 10 American lawmen. That is an undeniable fact. Negative. It's NOT a fact. It's just like most of the shit you post. Retarded drivel. Glock peaked at owning 65% of the market share of departments in the U.S. and is going down. Smith and Wesson have taken almost 5% of the market share away from Glock in a single year. FNs, The Beretta ninety two and others are also taking a market share as Glock has stagnated it's development and others have not. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 2:26:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2010 2:29:51 PM EDT
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Quoted: Glock peaked at owning 65% of the market share of departments in the U.S. and is going down. Glock reports an increase in market share as of 2010. Also, the M&P is not directly taking away market share from Glock. Many of the PD's that adopted it were carrying SIG/Beretta/S&W SIGMA's, 3rd GEN's and SW99's. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 2:33:45 PM EDT
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FACT: The Glock is the most reliable semi-automatic handgun EVER adopted for military use. Well, if its a fact, I'm sure you can find some proof to back that statement up. If only you had said "most numerous pistol in the hands of LE and militaries worldwide"... Which still wouldn't be a GLOCK(for you pansies bitching about how to type it), it would be a CZ75 style handgun. . ~got rid of annoying post. You do realize that the best thing you can do for the Glock's reputation is to stop plugging for them, right? you know the glock kool aid drinkers cringe every time they see him post. Quit quoting his goddamn posts, what the fuck is the point of ignore if every annoying fucking poster gets quoted 20 times to call him fucking stupid and I end up reading the stupid shit anyways? |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 2:34:17 PM EDT
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Glock peaked at owning 65% of the market share of departments in the U.S. and is going down. Glock reports an increase in market share as of 2010. Also, the M&P is not directly taking away market share from Glock. Many of the PD's that adopted it were carrying SIG/Beretta/S&W SIGMA's, 3rd GEN's and SW99's. Over 400 of the depts that have adopted the M&P came over from Glock. Run along now fanboy. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 2:38:06 PM EDT
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Quoted: Over 400 of the depts that have adopted the M&P came over from Glock. Run along now fanboy. Even if those numbers are correct, 400 is a drop in the bucket. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 2:42:03 PM EDT
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Glock peaked at owning 65% of the market share of departments in the U.S. and is going down. Glock reports an increase in market share as of 2010. Also, the M&P is not directly taking away market share from Glock. Many of the PD's that adopted it were carrying SIG/Beretta/S&W SIGMA's, 3rd GEN's and SW99's. Over 400 of the depts that have adopted the M&P came over from Glock. Run along now fanboy. Why does everyone want their goddamn choice to be everyone elses? I don't give a fuck which gun is the most popular as long as I can buy mags and parts I don't give a fuck. I don't care if anyone thinks the glock is superior or that they wish they could blow JMB, who gives a shit? I own a Glock, because I shot one and liked it, I have no loyalty to the brand and if I find something I like as well or better I'll get one of those too. I like XDs even if I'm not sure I'd carry one (more uncomfortable than the "block") and I'll probably buy an M&P if I can test one out. Reliable 1911s though are out of my price range so I'll stay away from those for now. They're just fucking pieces of metal and polymer, fucking objects people get in a pissing match about for no reason. Good for fucking everyone that thinks their choice is superior, now they can carry it and shut the fuck up. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 2:44:26 PM EDT
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Over 400 of the depts that have adopted the M&P came over from Glock. Run along now fanboy. Even if those numbers are correct, 400 is a drop in the bucket. They are correct, and if you knew anything about business, you'd know that 5% is NOT a drop in the bucket. It's taken a year. It took Glock 30 years to get to 7500. I used to be a die hard Glock freak like you. I wouldn't listen to reason, but I actually opened my eyes, let go of the bias and found a better handgun. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 2:45:45 PM EDT
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Glock peaked at owning 65% of the market share of departments in the U.S. and is going down. Glock reports an increase in market share as of 2010. Also, the M&P is not directly taking away market share from Glock. Many of the PD's that adopted it were carrying SIG/Beretta/S&W SIGMA's, 3rd GEN's and SW99's. Over 400 of the depts that have adopted the M&P came over from Glock. Run along now fanboy. Why does everyone want their goddamn choice to be everyone elses? I don't give a fuck which gun is the most popular as long as I can buy mags and parts I don't give a fuck. I don't care if anyone thinks the glock is superior or that they wish they could blow JMB, who gives a shit? I own a Glock, because I shot one and liked it, I have no loyalty to the brand and if I find something I like as well or better I'll get one of those too. I like XDs even if I'm not sure I'd carry one (more uncomfortable than the "block") and I'll probably buy an M&P if I can test one out. Reliable 1911s though are out of my price range so I'll stay away from those for now. They're just fucking pieces of metal and polymer, fucking objects people get in a pissing match about for no reason. Good for fucking everyone that thinks their choice is superior, now they can carry it and shut the fuck up. lol I don't disagree. I too wish I could afford a reliable 1911. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 2:47:15 PM EDT
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i saw an indonesian general with one (17 i think). his escort had some sort of revolver.
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Posted: 8/26/2010 2:47:51 PM EDT
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Quoted: Tiny drop. They are correct, and if you knew anything about business, you'd know that 5% is NOT a drop in the bucket. It's taken a year. It took Glock 30 years to get to 7500. I used to be a die hard Glock freak like you. I wouldn't listen to reason, but I actually opened my eyes, let go of the bias and found a better handgun. Glock has had 24 years on the U.S. market and the M&P has been out for 5. I own an M&P9 BTW. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 2:52:36 PM EDT
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Glock peaked at owning 65% of the market share of departments in the U.S. and is going down. Glock reports an increase in market share as of 2010. Also, the M&P is not directly taking away market share from Glock. Many of the PD's that adopted it were carrying SIG/Beretta/S&W SIGMA's, 3rd GEN's and SW99's. Over 400 of the depts that have adopted the M&P came over from Glock. Run along now fanboy. Why does everyone want their goddamn choice to be everyone elses? I don't give a fuck which gun is the most popular as long as I can buy mags and parts I don't give a fuck. I don't care if anyone thinks the glock is superior or that they wish they could blow JMB, who gives a shit? I own a Glock, because I shot one and liked it, I have no loyalty to the brand and if I find something I like as well or better I'll get one of those too. I like XDs even if I'm not sure I'd carry one (more uncomfortable than the "block") and I'll probably buy an M&P if I can test one out. Reliable 1911s though are out of my price range so I'll stay away from those for now. They're just fucking pieces of metal and polymer, fucking objects people get in a pissing match about for no reason. Good for fucking everyone that thinks their choice is superior, now they can carry it and shut the fuck up. We need to use this answer for every other post on arfcom. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 2:56:52 PM EDT
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Tiny drop. They are correct, and if you knew anything about business, you'd know that 5% is NOT a drop in the bucket. It's taken a year. It took Glock 30 years to get to 7500. I used to be a die hard Glock freak like you. I wouldn't listen to reason, but I actually opened my eyes, let go of the bias and found a better handgun. Glock has had 24 years on the U.S. market and the M&P has been out for 5. I own an M&P9 BTW.
I know you own one. You're still a rabid fan boy. And again, you obviously know NOTHING about business if you think 5% is tiny. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 2:58:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2010 2:58:57 PM EDT
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I too wish I could afford a reliable 1911. A Colt 1991 is like $750. A Colt Series 70 reissue is about $100 more. Either will be reliable out-of-the-box as long as you don't get a lemon. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 3:01:48 PM EDT
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I too wish I could afford a reliable 1911. A Colt 1991 is like $750. A Colt Series 70 reissue is about $100 more. Either will be reliable out-of-the-box as long as you don't get a lemon. The lemon rate is unacceptable to me. I used to be a die hard 1911 guy and know pretty well what ones I could and couldn't trust out of the box. Coming from a Glock, then M&P background, my reliability standards are incredibly high. My personal experience is that I can't even trust Wilson Combat's to be out of the box reliable like I can a Glock or M&P. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 3:01:59 PM EDT
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Tiny drop. They are correct, and if you knew anything about business, you'd know that 5% is NOT a drop in the bucket. It's taken a year. It took Glock 30 years to get to 7500. I used to be a die hard Glock freak like you. I wouldn't listen to reason, but I actually opened my eyes, let go of the bias and found a better handgun. Glock has had 24 years on the U.S. market and the M&P has been out for 5. I own an M&P9 BTW.
Your right, Glockreaper.... I think you should direct deposit 5% of your annual income into my bank account every year. After all, its only a drop in the bucket.
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Posted: 8/26/2010 3:05:05 PM EDT
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Even if those numbers are correct, 400 is a drop in the bucket. Word is that a couple of fairly large agencies are on the precipice of going M&P, which will be a couple of fairly large drops in the bucket. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 3:06:21 PM EDT
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Even if those numbers are correct, 400 is a drop in the bucket. Word is that a couple of fairly large agencies are on the precipice of going M&P, which will be a couple of fairly large drops in the bucket. I'm working on converting one othe largest LE agencies in my state, one officer at time 
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Posted: 8/26/2010 3:09:30 PM EDT
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Quoted: ATF and ?Quoted: Even if those numbers are correct, 400 is a drop in the bucket. Word is that a couple of fairly large agencies are on the precipice of going M&P, which will be a couple of fairly large drops in the bucket. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 3:11:50 PM EDT
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ATF and ? ...a couple of other agencies that I can't talk about because it would be naughty and might get people sued or fired. Doubly so if one of Glock's infamously litigious persons gets wind of it. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 3:12:02 PM EDT
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Even if those numbers are correct, 400 is a drop in the bucket. Word is that a couple of fairly large agencies are on the precipice of going M&P, which will be a couple of fairly large drops in the bucket. One thing to keep in mind, is that JW knows what of he speaks in relation to this sorta thing. How he gets his info, other than being a training junkie, I don't know. But everything I've seen him post on subjects like this has proven to be true. And to think, I used to think he was a dick
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Posted: 8/26/2010 3:14:01 PM EDT
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Quoted: One thing to keep in mind, is that JW knows what of he speaks in relation to this sorta thing. I'm not doubting him, just curious. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 3:14:43 PM EDT
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I too wish I could afford a reliable 1911. A Colt 1991 is like $750. A Colt Series 70 reissue is about $100 more. Either will be reliable out-of-the-box as long as you don't get a lemon. The lemon rate is unacceptable to me. I used to be a die hard 1911 guy and know pretty well what ones I could and couldn't trust out of the box. Coming from a Glock, then M&P background, my reliability standards are incredibly high. My personal experience is that I can't even trust Wilson Combat's to be out of the box reliable like I can a Glock or M&P. The "lemon rate" (which is unknown) is irrelevant as long as you don't get one. My box-stock Colt Government Model that I bought new 20 years ago has never jammed or malfunctioned in any way. You're going to want to put at least 1,000 rounds through any gun before trusting your life to it anyway, regardless of who manufactured it. All companies make the occasional lemon. Regarding Wilson Combat and other makers of "tight" 1911s, I'd trust an out of the box Colt built to original military tolerances by the company that has built them for 100 years long before I'd trust a "tweaked" version. It wasn't a Wilson Combat that passed the Army trials with flying colors (no jams), it was a Colt. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 3:14:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: ...a couple of other agencies that I can't talk about because it would be naughty and might get people sued or fired. Doubly so if one of Glock's infamously litigious persons gets wind of it. Are they all currently using Glock at least? |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 3:18:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: A good number of our "operators" use them. That can't be true, I've never seen a Glock 17 in a video game. Duh, because they all use Glock 18s. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 3:20:24 PM EDT
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I too wish I could afford a reliable 1911. A Colt 1991 is like $750. A Colt Series 70 reissue is about $100 more. Either will be reliable out-of-the-box as long as you don't get a lemon. The lemon rate is unacceptable to me. I used to be a die hard 1911 guy and know pretty well what ones I could and couldn't trust out of the box. Coming from a Glock, then M&P background, my reliability standards are incredibly high. My personal experience is that I can't even trust Wilson Combat's to be out of the box reliable like I can a Glock or M&P. The "lemon rate" (which is unknown) is irrelevant as long as you don't get one. My box-stock Colt Government Model that I bought new 20 years ago has never jammed or malfunctioned in any way. You're going to want to put at least 1,000 rounds through any gun before trusting your life to it anyway, regardless of who manufactured it. All companies make the occasional lemon. Regarding Wilson Combat and other makers of "tight" 1911s, I'd trust an out of the box Colt built to original military tolerances by the company that has built them for 100 years long before I'd trust a "tweaked" version. It wasn't a Wilson Combat that passed the Army trials with flying colors (no jams), it was a Colt. I'm not the type of guy to have huge collections of all sorts of various guns. I only buy guns I know to be reliable as I don't have the money to gamble. If I buy a gun, I need it to work, now. Not after 4 or 5 trips back to a manufacturer as I've dealt with before with 1911s. I love them. They feel great to shoot but don't have a place in my collection until all my needs are filled. A 1911 won't ever constitute a need again so long as I can buy lighter, more reliable, just as accurate handguns for much cheaper. |
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Posted: 8/26/2010 3:21:06 PM EDT
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Sure. Even the US Army. M67.
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