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Posted: 7/7/2010 10:46:08 AM EST
Amazing how things were done in the old days.


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Posted: 7/7/2010 10:54:23 AM EST
Ah yes, Peace Through Superior Firepower.

Nuke 'em 'till they glow!

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Posted: 7/7/2010 11:28:01 AM EST
And no negligent discharges. Amazing.
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Posted: 7/7/2010 11:32:23 AM EST
From a time when the world made a lot more sense.
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Posted: 7/7/2010 11:33:20 AM EST
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I wonder what MOS the guy who pushes the wheeled stairs around has
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Posted: 7/7/2010 11:54:17 AM EST
Sorry, I'm all out of empathy... but I have plenty of apathy left.

Damn, can't a brother get a "Run, Roger?" Gotta be all self-runnin' and whatnot...
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Posted: 7/7/2010 12:05:22 PM EST
I think that we all owe a debt of gratitude to those who fought the Cold War and kept if from going hot.

It's a tribute to the design of the B-52 that it's still in use by the Air Force.
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My uncle was a B-52 pilot. When I see him in about about a month, I'll ask him what he thought about SAC.
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Posted: 7/7/2010 12:10:27 PM EST
I was in a MAC Wing on a SAC base (Dyess).

It was fun to watch Their Shenanigans & not have to join in them.

An Elephant Walk was interesting to watch as long as You knew it was only an ORI & not TEOTWAWKI.
Just hope You weren't downwind from that noisey crap


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Posted: 7/7/2010 12:13:08 PM EST
I miss humpin the stone nose to tail and wing to wing for a change of scenery. SAC believed you were either right or you were wrong. Don't Cross the Red Line.

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Posted: 7/7/2010 12:16:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By Kevyn:
Ah yes, Peace Through Superior Firepower.

Nuke 'em 'till they glow!

Fully loaded, operational B-52's on the alert pads across from a flight of tankers waiting for the balloon.

Ya, baby!!!!


Nuke em till they glow in the dark,
Bury em face down in the ashes and use their ass-cracks for parking bicycles

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Posted: 7/7/2010 12:29:26 PM EST
Excellent find.
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Posted: 7/7/2010 12:46:24 PM EST
Originally Posted By c130montana:
I was in a MAC Wing on a SAC base (Dyess).

It was fun to watch Their Shenanigans & not have to join in them.

An Elephant Walk was interesting to watch as long as You knew it was only an ORI & not TEOTWAWKI.
Just hope You weren't downwind from that noisey crap


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You mean like this?
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Posted: 7/7/2010 12:48:17 PM EST
My father worked in the Command Post during the SAC days. 1983-2008

He said "The Air Force isn't the same... The people are different, there was no sense of mission or teamwork and my job sucks now"
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Posted: 7/7/2010 1:30:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By snakes19:
I wonder MOS the guy who pushes the wheeled stairs around has


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Posted: 7/7/2010 1:34:12 PM EST
I counter this with....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJzFxSRa5y0
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Posted: 7/7/2010 1:39:07 PM EST
Originally Posted By Btownboy:
My father worked in the Command Post during the SAC days. 1983-2008

He said "The Air Force isn't the same... The people are different, there was no sense of mission or teamwork and my job sucks now"


SAC wasn't around in 2008.
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Posted: 7/7/2010 1:39:30 PM EST
My Dad spent two years with SAC back in the late 1970's coordinating flight schedules. He was also a waiter at the Officer's Club. More than one bad tipper found themselves on alert, sitting in their plane on the tarmac for 24 hours waiting for war.
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Posted: 7/7/2010 1:41:46 PM EST
Cool flashback video. Only question that I have is why is there a siren on the flightline car taking the crew to the plane? It's not like there's a big worry about cutting through massive amounts of traffic.
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Posted: 7/7/2010 1:55:28 PM EST
Another film on the SAC Command Post, circa 1963.

(Sorry, can't hotlink to the films themselves.)

SAC was a very focused command. Absolutely dedicated to the mission of planning and training for nuclear war, so they'd never have to actually have to execute it.

I was SAC-umcised in 1989.
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Posted: 7/7/2010 1:59:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By TxLawDog:
Cool flashback video. Only question that I have is why is there a siren on the flightline car taking the crew to the plane? It's not like there's a big worry about cutting through massive amounts of traffic.


They were authorized to go as fast as possible on base streets. They also had the run of non-housing areas on base, as long as they went as a crew. It was not uncommon to have crews scramble out of the Burger King, the exchange, or the movie theater. And when the klaxon went off, you got out of the way, or a Ford F350 pushed you out of the way doing 80mph to the alert pad.

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Posted: 7/7/2010 2:02:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By limaxray:
Another film on the SAC Command Post, circa 1963.

(Sorry, can't hotlink to the films themselves.)

SAC was a very focused command. Absolutely dedicated to the mission of planning and training for nuclear war, so they'd never have to actually have to execute it.

I was SAC-umcised in 1989.

Great films! Thanks!
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Posted: 7/9/2010 10:42:09 AM EST
Originally Posted By limaxray:
Originally Posted By TxLawDog:
Cool flashback video. Only question that I have is why is there a siren on the flightline car taking the crew to the plane? It's not like there's a big worry about cutting through massive amounts of traffic.


They were authorized to go as fast as possible on base streets. They also had the run of non-housing areas on base, as long as they went as a crew. It was not uncommon to have crews scramble out of the Burger King, the exchange, or the movie theater. And when the klaxon went off, you got out of the way, or a Ford F350 pushed you out of the way doing 80mph to the alert pad.



Okay that makes sense. Thanks for the info.

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Posted: 7/9/2010 10:46:29 AM EST
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Originally Posted By c130montana:
I was in a MAC Wing on a SAC base (Dyess).

It was fun to watch Their Shenanigans & not have to join in them.

An Elephant Walk was interesting to watch as long as You knew it was only an ORI & not TEOTWAWKI.
Just hope You weren't downwind from that noisey crap


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oh, yes, the MAC guys would be having a BBQ out back while I was walking a red line around a B-1 Bomber for 12 hours as nukes were being uploaded
We used to hate you guys for that!

I got on a SAC base, (Dyess AFB, TX)kind of towards the end of the SAC era things were different in a SAC Command
Always in exercise mode

But I loved every minute of it.




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Posted: 7/9/2010 10:48:50 AM EST
Amazingly, the most advanced airplane there is not the one still in service....
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I was in SAC twice. Fear of God. It got shit done.

One of my biggest fears as a close in sentry standing in front of a BUFF was for the responding crew to fuck up the sign-countersign during a scramble.
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Too error is human.................but not SAC policy...
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Posted: 7/9/2010 11:25:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By TxLawDog:
Originally Posted By limaxray:
Originally Posted By TxLawDog:
Cool flashback video. Only question that I have is why is there a siren on the flightline car taking the crew to the plane? It's not like there's a big worry about cutting through massive amounts of traffic.


They were authorized to go as fast as possible on base streets. They also had the run of non-housing areas on base, as long as they went as a crew. It was not uncommon to have crews scramble out of the Burger King, the exchange, or the movie theater. And when the klaxon went off, you got out of the way, or a Ford F350 pushed you out of the way doing 80mph to the alert pad.



Okay that makes sense. Thanks for the info.



I'll never forget watching a B1 crew come out of the barber shop at Warp 8 when the klaxon went off. One of the guys still had the little apron on and half his hair cut.
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Posted: 7/9/2010 11:37:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
My Dad spent two years with SAC back in the late 1970's coordinating flight schedules. He was also a waiter at the Officer's Club. More than one bad tipper found themselves on alert, sitting in their plane on the tarmac for 24 hours waiting for war.

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Posted: 7/9/2010 11:47:09 AM EST
Whats up with all the crossdraw holsters? Can you amagine any reason why anyone would issue someone a crossdraw?
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Posted: 7/9/2010 12:41:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Tekka:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
My Dad spent two years with SAC back in the late 1970's coordinating flight schedules. He was also a waiter at the Officer's Club. More than one bad tipper found themselves on alert, sitting in their plane on the tarmac for 24 hours waiting for war.




NEVER screw with the scheduler. That's the easiest way to never get another really important day off as long as he's in charge of your time.

ETA: Like I used to tell my Lts in the missile squadron when they'd screw the pooch––I have to send you on alert, I don't have to bring you back.

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My wife's grandfather joined the Air Corps in 1940 and retired from the Air Force in 1966. He went from transports (C-47) to B-29's. After the war, he was on the standardization crew for the B-36 Peacemaker when it came on line. He retired as out of B-52's. We did an interview for the National D-Day Museum with him and some of the most interesting stuff he talked about was his time in SAC. It is amazing at how professional it was and how much respect he had for Curtis Lemay. He basically stated that all aircraft were required to be ready to rock at all times. They had 100% mission capability in SAC and everyone stayed on to ensure it worked that way. He also said the drills were crazy and that after they would scramble an entire base, they would fly right to the edge of Soviet airspace before turning around. These guys are some of the bravest, hardest working defenders of America that have essentially gone unrecognized to date.
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Posted: 7/9/2010 1:35:47 PM EST

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Whats up with all the crossdraw holsters? Can you amagine any reason why anyone would issue someone a crossdraw?

Ever try drawing from a regular holster while your ass is crammed into a metal crate that has rockets on the bottom?
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My brother was in the Air force in the Early 70's. Guarded Air bases, he was an SP. Mom has a picture of him with his beret, OD greens with the old school pistol belt with the Suspenders, carrying an M16. Had aviator glasses on, bet he thought he was the shit.

He gave me stuff all the time when i was little. A strategic air command patch was one. That patch is awesome. Gauntleted hand holding lightning bolts. Another one he gave me had a winged sword, don't remember what the writing said on that one.
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Posted: 7/9/2010 2:44:45 PM EST
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My brother was in the Air force in the Early 70's. Guarded Air bases, he was an SP. Mom has a picture of him with his beret, OD greens with the old school pistol belt with the Suspenders, carrying an M16. Had aviator glasses on, bet he thought he was the shit.

He gave me stuff all the time when i was little. A strategic air command patch was one. That patch is awesome. Gauntleted hand holding lightning bolts. Another one he gave me had a winged sword, don't remember what the writing said on that one.


This one?



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Posted: 7/9/2010 2:45:56 PM EST
why not 1911's?
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Posted: 7/9/2010 2:51:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By wesmerc:
why not 1911's?

I've been told that the thinking was that it was easier to just carry a bunch of loose .38 than have to keep track of magazines. Also, a revolver is much easier to use one-handed.
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Posted: 7/9/2010 3:08:05 PM EST
Originally Posted By DzlBenz:

Originally Posted By wesmerc:
why not 1911's?

I've been told that the thinking was that it was easier to just carry a bunch of loose .38 than have to keep track of magazines. Also, a revolver is much easier to use one-handed.


Also safer. The crews weren't issued their own firearms––they went with the aircraft/weapon, and when you signed for the weapon, you also signed for the pistol. So accounting for a .38 and 18 rds of ammo every 24 hours without the benefit of a clearing barrel is safer to accomplish than accounting for a 1911 and X rounds of ammo + mags. Probably easier on the weapon, too.

I took over many an alert where I signed for "10 mated reentry systems, two firearms serial #XXXXXXXX and XXXXXXX, and 18 rounds of ammunition each."
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Posted: 7/9/2010 3:16:16 PM EST
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My father worked in the Command Post during the SAC days. 1983-2008

He said "The Air Force isn't the same... The people are different, there was no sense of mission or teamwork and my job sucks now"


SAC wasn't around in 2008.


The mission is still there...

It was renamed USSTRATCOM...

I was stationed at Offutt for 6 years...I've been in some of those places in that film (years later of course).
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Posted: 7/9/2010 3:18:16 PM EST
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My brother was in the Air force in the Early 70's. Guarded Air bases, he was an SP. Mom has a picture of him with his beret, OD greens with the old school pistol belt with the Suspenders, carrying an M16. Had aviator glasses on, bet he thought he was the shit.

He gave me stuff all the time when i was little. A strategic air command patch was one. That patch is awesome. Gauntleted hand holding lightning bolts. Another one he gave me had a winged sword, don't remember what the writing said on that one.


This one?

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Posted: 7/9/2010 3:21:56 PM EST
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From a time when the world made a lot more sense.


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Posted: 7/9/2010 3:43:01 PM EST
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My wife's grandfather joined the Air Corps in 1940 and retired from the Air Force in 1966. He went from transports (C-47) to B-29's. After the war, he was on the standardization crew for the B-36 Peacemaker when it came on line. He retired as out of B-52's. We did an interview for the National D-Day Museum with him and some of the most interesting stuff he talked about was his time in SAC. It is amazing at how professional it was and how much respect he had for Curtis Lemay. He basically stated that all aircraft were required to be ready to rock at all times. They had 100% mission capability in SAC and everyone stayed on to ensure it worked that way. He also said the drills were crazy and that after they would scramble an entire base, they would fly right to the edge of Soviet airspace before turning around. These guys are some of the bravest, hardest working defenders of America that have essentially gone unrecognized to date.


You can thank Curtis LeMay for laying all the groundwork for SAC . . . Too bad McPeak decided to tear it all up. From what I understand, people are still pissed over that decision
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Posted: 7/9/2010 3:43:01 PM EST
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We also had .38s,easier to use with one hand.....great for shooting popcans too!
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Posted: 7/9/2010 4:08:14 PM EST
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You can thank Curtis LeMay for laying all the groundwork for SAC . . . Too bad McPeak decided to tear it all up. From what I understand, people are still pissed over that decision



I had some great days in SAC but it wasn't always easy. Yes, McPeak is a complete A-hole!

This was a real SAC Crew "morale patch" (hope it's OK, but it was real):


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Posted: 7/9/2010 4:17:23 PM EST
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Posted: 7/9/2010 4:24:51 PM EST
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I miss humpin the stone nose to tail and wing to wing for a change of scenery. SAC believed you were either right or you were wrong. Don't Cross the Red Line.

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