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Not urban combat but in the rural areas. Seems like a long distance. What is the average combat engagement distance for most firefights?

ETA: The reason I ask is I find it amazing when I watch footage from over there that our troops are shooting at people that I can't even see.
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Originally Posted By Tony7189:
Not urban combat but in the rural areas. Seems like a long distance. What is the average combat engagement distance for most firefights?

ETA: The reason I ask is I find it amazing when I watch footage from over there that our troops are shooting at people that I can't even see.


I too would like to know.

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1,732 meters.
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1,732 meters.


This + or - 1732 meters.
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“Comments from returning non-​​commissioned officers and officers reveal that about fifty percent of engagements occur past 300 meters."

Taken from the report in this thread: Taking Back the Infantry Half Kilometer
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25-50M or 600-800.
Never saw anything in between those two.
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25-50M or 600-800.
Never saw anything in between those two.


Rural ive seen some past 800M. They usually are a far distance if the taliban can help it. Just from what ive seen.
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10,000 leagues. Or maybe less.
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Originally Posted By SvenFrost:

“Comments from returning non-​​commissioned officers and officers reveal that about fifty percent of engagements occur past 300 meters."

Taken from the report in this thread: Taking Back the Infantry Half Kilometer


All of ARFCOM should read this, very interesting.
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Don't get me started but I'll just say thats why a peppier round is needed there for general issue at this time.They can get their beloved 5.56 back later.
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Less than 12 parsecs...
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Originally Posted By jh1990:
Originally Posted By Sylvan:
25-50M or 600-800.
Never saw anything in between those two.


Rural ive seen some past 800M. They usually are a far distance if the taliban can help it. Just from what ive seen.




Seen this with a few complex attacks on some COPS.

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Oh yeah , the average is a fur piece.
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I'd bet it ranges from "OH SHIT" to "oh goddamit they're shooting again... fuck it"
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Originally Posted By GrahamD:
Originally Posted By SvenFrost:

“Comments from returning non-​​commissioned officers and officers reveal that about fifty percent of engagements occur past 300 meters."

Taken from the report in this thread: Taking Back the Infantry Half Kilometer


All of ARFCOM should read this, very interesting.


ETA:Damn it, I should have clicked the link before commenting.
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The approximate distance from the geographical center of the United States to Kabul, Afghanistan is 7,300 miles, so I'd say ... 7,300 miles.
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Originally Posted By Sylvan:
25-50M or 600-800.
Never saw anything in between those two.

So what are they shooting with at 600m? PKMs and RPGs?

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Eleventeen dikfer.


whats a dikf....
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Originally Posted By mcgredo:

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
25-50M or 600-800.
Never saw anything in between those two.

So what are they shooting with at 600m? PKMs and RPGs?



I wish I could find that pick of the Afghan insurgent with the M38 (I think) Mosin with the scope on it.
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2.668 to 5.804 light-microseconds, roughly.

Long range stuff is beyond 8 furlongs
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I would think that at those distances the M4 issue weapon would be a fair bit behind the power of a bolt .308 sniper weapon or the M-14 for infantry issue equipment.Going thru the rags also would slow down the light M-16 bullets
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At sufficient distances that there was a paper put out by the military about how the M4 couldn't hold it's own at 500 yard shots at dynamic targets.
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Eleventeen dikfer.


whats a dikf....


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Originally Posted By GrahamD:
Originally Posted By SvenFrost:

“Comments from returning non-​​commissioned officers and officers reveal that about fifty percent of engagements occur past 300 meters."

Taken from the report in this thread: Taking Back the Infantry Half Kilometer


All of ARFCOM should read this, very interesting.


+1

That's what I was mentioning. It's a great read.
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Originally Posted By mcgredo:

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
25-50M or 600-800.
Never saw anything in between those two.

So what are they shooting with at 600m? PKMs and RPGs?



Or they set a dshk up behind a hilltop and use the ballistic arc to walk rounds in on a position with the help of a durka spotter with an icom or roshan while you try like hell to find them and a mortar crew at the same time.
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Originally Posted By mcgredo:

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
25-50M or 600-800.
Never saw anything in between those two.

So what are they shooting with at 600m? PKMs and RPGs?



Havent seen any with a PK series but im sure they are out there. Seen ak's at damn near a kilometer, mortars, recoiless rifle, even a KPV russian machinegun at about two kilometers from a giant ass hill.
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There have also been reports of Taliban, particularly those who actually have some idea of how to shoot (Afghanistan may have a culture of marksmanship, but it took a big hit by the Soviets), using Lee-Enfields, Mausers, and Mosin-Nagants for longer range fire and even developing tactics to best employ those men (in Marjah, apparently). I recall reading one report of Taliban weapons captured and one of them was a 12-bore rifle .
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Originally Posted By mcgredo:

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
25-50M or 600-800.
Never saw anything in between those two.

So what are they shooting with at 600m? PKMs and RPGs?



Yes.
Every group over 4 men had a PKM where I was at. They bothered me.
Dude with the AK, not so much.