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Posted: 3/19/2010 10:12:37 AM
[Last Edit: 3/31/2010 11:36:38 AM by guns762]
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT So far, I've been fairly lucky with my mounts. No one has complained.My students enjoy seeing the big stuff come together, as they usually do birds only, unless they have had the class before, and want to attempt a shoulder mount. One student did a very nice antelope this year. I thought ARFCOM might enjoy a daily pictorial of how this thing goes together. Today is Day 1. I got the form on the stand, and secured the skull cap(s). They were split to send them down from Alaska. That was harder than I would have thought to get them tight. The orientation of the mounts from left to right, as well as tilt were a pain in the ass. I used pictures from the hunt to help me make sure I got them close to right. Here are the first day's pictures.
Here is the skull cap in front. You can see the cut in the plate, and the 3" deck screws that are secured in plywood that is embedded in the foam mount. I will secure them further with body puddy and plaster in my next post. All I had time for was to get them up on the form, and in the right position. It took several students to hold them and adjust them to get them in the right spot. I used six screws all together; normally it takes only 4 or sometimes even two on a smaller animal.
Here is the back. Sorry for the poor quality, I had to hold it above my head and take it blind.
Here is the mount all uncovered.
Here is the picture from the hunt
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Posted: 3/19/2010 10:17:46 AM
Whose form did you go with?
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Posted: 3/19/2010 10:22:18 AM
[Last Edit: 3/19/2010 10:28:45 AM by guns762]
Originally Posted By rdl65:
Whose form did you go with? I kind of got stuck with one from Van Dykes, a division of Cabelas. I say stuck, as it was about the only one that fit. This caribou had an unusually big head, and normal tundra neck. His head is the size of a Mountain caribou, and the neck is the size of a tundra. I could have adjusted the form, but that is way more work than I want to do for a "free" mount. I'm not that crazy today. I've had my fun with those on other mounts and didn't want to make more work for my self. This one fits perfectly....I hope. I haven't put the hide on it yet to do a final fitting yet, just the normal measurements.
Most of the forms I buy are from Van Dykes, as they are usually cheaper. This one wasn't; about $90. The quality of the Van Dyke's forms has been just fine for what we do here, and usually cheaper for the kids, as they have to pay for their own form. |
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Posted: 3/19/2010 10:30:58 AM
Neat. Did he at least give you some steaks? Caribou is the best wild game I've ever had.
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Posted: 3/19/2010 10:38:34 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing this. Have you ever done fish? If you want I could send you some to practice on, like salmon
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Posted: 3/19/2010 10:40:00 AM
Very cool.
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Posted: 3/19/2010 11:07:50 AM
Originally Posted By Ciraxis:
I'm looking forward to seeing this. Have you ever done fish? If you want I could send you some to practice on, like salmon Fish are a differnent beast all together, pardon the pun. You actually just paint a form, which is very artistic, but the forms are very, expensive. We are talking charging by the inch. Where a normal deer shoulder mount form might cost 35-50, a fish could cost over 100 easy. The birds we do are only about 5 each. It's just too expensive for me to get into. |
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Posted: 3/19/2010 11:08:21 AM
Originally Posted By twistedLV:
Neat. Did he at least give you some steaks? Caribou is the best wild game I've ever had. Haha, no. Might have to ask him. |
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Posted: 3/19/2010 12:58:26 PM
Originally Posted By guns762:
Originally Posted By Ciraxis:
I'm looking forward to seeing this. Have you ever done fish? If you want I could send you some to practice on, like salmon Fish are a differnent beast all together, pardon the pun. You actually just paint a form, which is very artistic, but the forms are very, expensive. We are talking charging by the inch. Where a normal deer shoulder mount form might cost 35-50, a fish could cost over 100 easy. The birds we do are only about 5 each. It's just too expensive for me to get into. You can also do a skin mount and paint the skin. Salmon and trout usually require an artificial head but "traditional"(especially scaled) species can be skinned and mounted on a form. The taxidermists in my area do it this way, and depending on species they either cut a form out of the same type of foam as gameheads(I mounted a small pike myself this way) or cast a form out of plaster-for large species like muskie this can be hollow, and is sanded very smooth with thin skinned fish like trout or salmon. Usually $8-$9 per inch for a traditional skin mount but $15-$25 per inch for a reproduction mount(painted form). The latter are popular with the catch and release crowd. Take a picture and a few specific measurements, and you can release your fish and still have it "mounted". |
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Posted: 3/19/2010 1:23:06 PM
Looking forward to watching this process. Didn't you have a thread showing your students mounting a Peacock?
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Posted: 3/19/2010 2:47:50 PM
Originally Posted By Swen:
Looking forward to watching this process. Didn't you have a thread showing your students mounting a Peacock? ![]() |
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Posted: 3/19/2010 4:01:59 PM
Ok, DAY 2Today I added the body puddy and plaster to even out the skull cap and secure it further to the form.
The puddy...
Back of the skull cap...kind of messy
Front
After it cured I then sculpted it down with a large file....
Then the plaster to clean it up and smooth it out more. I'll hit this with sandpaper on Monday...
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Posted: 3/19/2010 4:10:56 PM
Tag.
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Posted: 3/19/2010 4:25:52 PM
Originally Posted By FMJshooter:
Tag. |
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Posted: 3/20/2010 12:21:16 AM
Nice work on the peacock, looking forward to seeing the caribou completed. I assume the velvet's staying on? Always makes for an interesting look.
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Posted: 3/20/2010 12:38:41 AM
Tag because I miss high school.
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Posted: 3/20/2010 11:32:19 AM
[Last Edit: 3/20/2010 11:40:18 AM by guns762]
Originally Posted By shack357:
Nice work on the peacock, looking forward to seeing the caribou completed. I assume the velvet's staying on? Always makes for an interesting look. The velvet is staying on. It was cured/tanned what ever in Alaska by the guide. It will need cleaned up a little, as it looks like "beadhead". I have a student who's dad is a real taxidermist and I had him call him, and ask him if I can re-wet it and comb/blow it out. I was told no problem. So I learned my first new thing on this project. On the peacock, that was the first one, one of my students ever attempted. It did turn out well, and I was happy with what they did. The second student insisted that the fan be out...... It took up a 6x8' wall space....she even took it home, and it's still on display there. I thought she was nuts, but it was cool looking. |
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Posted: 3/20/2010 12:15:19 PM
Always been curious about this stuff.
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Posted: 3/20/2010 12:27:19 PM
Wow, must be that time of year. I made a taxidermy thread last night trying to do my first Euro Mount of a WTD
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1015196 Will be paying attention to this one too! |
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Posted: 3/20/2010 12:37:27 PM
Cool thread! I've always been impressed with nicely mounted trophies but never really thought much about how it's done. Looking forward to more updates!
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Posted: 3/22/2010 11:32:41 AM
[Last Edit: 3/22/2010 11:34:14 AM by guns762]
Day 3 3/22/10
Ok, well today is prep the form day. First thing is to cut the mouth line so I can tuck the lips up inside the form. I used to do this with a dremel, but it was always too big of a gap, and it made the lips look too big. I use a knife now....several cuts that just open it up a bit. A single knife cut is not enough, and I really struggle to get both lips tucked up in there. I just go back and forth a bit with the knife, and trim it out a bit.
When done, it should allow just enough for the lips, and the form should "spring" hold them in place with some pins.
Next it's the tear ducts. Same as the lips. The skin has to be able to be tucked down into the form.
The nose needs to be hollowed out and allow for the nostrils to be sculpted up into the form. A nice transition will take place with clay, from skin to form. I use two bits. A large one for the main nostril, then a smaller one to fade it up and back.
Last thing to do is to sand down the forms edges and mold lines, along with roughing it up, so the cape glue will stick to it.
Next up is cape prep tomorrow. Then I'll set the form with some clay and put the eyes in. |
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Posted: 3/22/2010 11:40:48 AM
Very cool! Thank you for taking the time to post the pictures. I could really save a lot of money by learning taxidermy. My taxidermist bill for this year was outrageous.
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Posted: 3/22/2010 11:50:19 AM
Originally Posted By MossyOakMan:
Very cool! Thank you for taking the time to post the pictures. I could really save a lot of money by learning taxidermy. My taxidermist bill for this year was outrageous. I bought a cheesey video from Van Dykes on how to mount a Mule Deer. The basic concepts transfer over pretty well to most animals. I even used them to mount a full body Mt. Lion. It's really pretty easy, and only takes a few tools. I'll have to post the antelope picture from this year. It was the kids fist antelope, and second shoulder mount. Here is the lion and hand made stone mount I did about 4-5yrs ago.... Yes I know the claws should be retracted, the guy wanted them that way. Notice the water running down, and the pool near his paw. Oh, and yup, I didn't get paid anything for that thing.
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Posted: 3/22/2010 12:47:51 PM
Here is a picture of one of the student's work this last semester.
It turned out very nicely. There are a few minor problems, but very typical for a student's work. ![]() |
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Posted: 3/22/2010 12:52:24 PM
[Last Edit: 3/22/2010 12:53:04 PM by Jonny_Flashbang]
Thats some awsome art work there friend.
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Posted: 3/22/2010 12:56:23 PM
Originally Posted By Jonny_Flashbang:
Thats some awsome art work there friend. ![]() Look closely above the door, on the photo fo the caribou's muzzle. ![]() |
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Posted: 3/22/2010 12:57:32 PM
Great post..keep it going
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Posted: 3/22/2010 1:09:15 PM
I saw that sticker and thought, "damn, that must be a cool school this guy teaches at!"
And, where can I get that sticker? |
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Posted: 3/22/2010 1:21:50 PM
Originally Posted By Dksimon89:
I saw that sticker and thought, "damn, that must be a cool school this guy teaches at!" And, where can I get that sticker? AR15.com store click on the "online store" button at the top of the page. I just used a projector to blow it up, and then painted it on the wall. I've got the actual sticker on the fridge in the art room too. |
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Posted: 3/23/2010 9:49:00 AM
You are indeed an unusual art teacher! I just saw that you posted Day 3. Very nice, and that mountain lion looks amazing.
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Posted: 3/23/2010 10:09:40 AM
Great thread. Keep us updated with pics.
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Posted: 3/23/2010 12:34:16 PM
[Last Edit: 3/23/2010 12:36:25 PM by guns762]
Day 4 Mother fucking Skinner!!!!!!!!!! Fucking O.J. did the skinning, I know it. Talk about a bunch of extra work.......
The guy who did the skinning must have never done one before. I doubt it was the hunter, but I suppose it could have been, but hunters rarely turn the ears out. This guy must have been drunk. Here is the hide....looks pretty normal right now....
Holy fucking bad ears batman!!!!! Those holes need to be sewn up so no body puddy and fiber glass resin will slip through the holes or stitches and get in the hair. It's a bitch....
Normally, this is what you do to prep the cap....just trim the extra off the lips and eyes......
The prep before sewing up about 15 holes in the face and ears....way more than is usual....
Got to be careful that you just hit the hair line on something like this nose, or the stitches will show...
Little super glue to secure the stitches and the skin. I also go over big cuts with hot glue to really make sure nothing will come apart, but the super glue works really well, as long as it will stick to skin.
Here is some kind of rip; see the unclean cut and cut hair. I have to "football" cut around it, to remove any cut hair, and make the edges come together evenly before sewing it up....you can see the cut around the outside here before I start stitching...
I've got a bunch more sewing on the ears to do today, not sure I'll get to post more today or not. I'll update when I get done. The ears are at least well tanned, so the sewing is going well, and the hair is thick on the back of the ears, so it should hide my stitches, as long as the filler doesn't squirt thought at some point.
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Posted: 3/23/2010 12:45:36 PM
How is the cape prepped/tanned/preserved for mounting?
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Posted: 3/23/2010 12:52:21 PM
[Last Edit: 3/23/2010 12:55:23 PM by USMC6177]
Originally Posted By guns762:
Day 4 Mother fucking Skinner!!!!!!!!!! Fucking O.J. did the skinning, I know it. Talk about a bunch of extra work....... The guy who did the skinning must have never done one before. I doubt it was the hunter, but I suppose it could have been, but hunters rarely turn the ears out. This guy must have been drunk. Here is the hide....looks pretty normal right now.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/guns762/caribou/IMG_0971.jpg Holy fucking bad ears batman!!!!! Those holes need to be sewn up so no body puddy and fiber glass resin will slip through the holes or stitches and get in the hair. It's a bitch.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/guns762/caribou/IMG_0972.jpg Normally, this is what you do to prep the cap....just trim the extra off the lips and eyes...... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/guns762/caribou/IMG_0973.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/guns762/caribou/IMG_0975.jpg The prep before sewing up about 15 holes in the face and ears....way more than is usual.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/guns762/caribou/IMG_0974.jpg Got to be careful that you just hit the hair line on something like this nose, or the stitches will show... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/guns762/caribou/IMG_0977.jpg Little super glue to secure the stitches and the skin. I also go over big cuts with hot glue to really make sure nothing will come apart, but the super glue works really well, as long as it will stick to skin. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/guns762/caribou/IMG_0979.jpg Here is some kind of rip; see the unclean cut and cut hair. I have to "football" cut around it, to remove any cut hair, and make the edges come together evenly before sewing it up....you can see the cut around the outside here before I start stitching...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/guns762/caribou/IMG_0980.jpg I've got a bunch more sewing on the ears to do today, not sure I'll get to post more today or not. I'll update when I get done. The ears are at least well tanned, so the sewing is going well, and the hair is thick on the back of the ears, so it should hide my stitches, as long as the filler doesn't squirt thought at some point.
I worked as a camp bitch/assitant guide in Northern Quebec for a few years as a kid and I can tell you that doing the cape on a Caribou is a son of a bitch due to the large nose. Ended hitting up a Doctor we guided for some spare scapels and that was the best thing. Made enough to buy a car doing capes though, going rate was 100 bucks a cape. Got pretty good at it, prolly look worse than the one in the pic's if I tried it now. |
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Posted: 3/23/2010 12:55:51 PM
Originally Posted By CS223:
How is the cape prepped/tanned/preserved for mounting? First, usually the taxidermist turns the ears, lips and eyes, then fleshes the cape out. This means thinning it down to a point where it will stretch, but not too thing, so that it rips. Bad shit when that happens. Almost impossible to mount. A taxidermists real nightmare. Then the cape is usually sent off to a commercial tannery to be tanned, then sent back wet. It's then kept frozen until ready to mount. Some folks do their own tanning, but it's more than I want to take on, and this is just way easier, and a good tan is essential to a good mount. I've worked with bad tans. The hair can fall out, or it won't stretch. Not good. It cost about $50-150 to get a cap tanned from the taxidermist we use. |
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Posted: 3/23/2010 12:57:29 PM
[Last Edit: 3/23/2010 12:58:27 PM by guns762]
Originally Posted By USMC6177:
I worked as a camp bitch/assitant guide in Northern Quebec for a few years as a kid and I can tell you that doing the cape on a Caribou is a son of a bitch due to the large nose. Ended hitting up a Doctor we guided for some spare scapels and that was the best thing. Made enough to buy a car doing capes though, going rate was 100 bucks a cape. Got pretty good at it, prolly look worse than the one in the pic's if I tried it now. Look at the ears.... |
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Posted: 3/23/2010 2:57:06 PM
Day 4.5 Mk 2
Ok, finished sewing up the ears....
Time to fill them......
equal amounts of each ......
Mixed.....
Filled the ear buts with paper towels to keep them formed up and not allow them to become funky shaped...
Filling the horse syringe with the mix..... This should be enough for one ear.
A puddy knife helps keep it from pulling back out...
The injection......
rubbing it out into the end of the ear, being careful not to pop the ear with it. That would be disastrous!
I know this might look familiar to a few of you ![]()
Ears are dying now. I may be able to do a fit check later this afternoon. |
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Posted: 3/23/2010 4:28:45 PM
Nice work Guns! I'm really impressed with the quality of those other mounts as well. It's very evident that your school gives you a much freer hand than others! I live in a pretty rural area and I imagine the parents and students would freak out at such a thing happening here.
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Posted: 3/23/2010 9:12:33 PM
Very, very cool!
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Posted: 3/23/2010 10:15:51 PM
Very nice Guns.
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Posted: 3/23/2010 10:17:15 PM
[Last Edit: 3/23/2010 10:18:12 PM by guns762]
Originally Posted By AKTactical:
Nice work Guns! I'm really impressed with the quality of those other mounts as well. It's very evident that your school gives you a much freer hand than others! I live in a pretty rural area and I imagine the parents and students would freak out at such a thing happening here. Thanks AK, Rocket, When I first introduced this project 13yrs ago, I got some pretty weird looks, especially at the state art show. I'm lucky to live in WY. I get a lot of support from my district. There are several other schools who now bring a little taxidermy to the state art show now too; mostly just little stuff, European mounts and stuff, but it's a start. I feel like I'm making a difference in the opinion of some of the most liberal teachers anywhere....art teachers. That's a good feeling. Not sure I'll be able to do much tomorrow. We have a weird schedule, with some inservice, so my time will be severely limited. I doubt I'll get to start putting the cape on the form tomorrow, but for sure on Thursday it will go on. |
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Posted: 3/23/2010 10:27:24 PM
sweet!!!
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Posted: 3/23/2010 11:05:41 PM
This thread is awesome.
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Posted: 3/24/2010 8:43:43 PM
tag
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Posted: 3/24/2010 8:58:20 PM
TAG
Absolutely awesome. I applaud you for doing this in school!! Good to see some good teachers out there!! |
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Posted: 3/24/2010 9:03:16 PM
Originally Posted By M60forever:
This thread is awesome. I concur! |
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Posted: 3/24/2010 9:08:08 PM
Fascinating! Thanks for sharing.
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Posted: 3/24/2010 9:51:41 PM
Thanks all...
I appologize for being a bit vauge today with my descriptions. I was really pressed for time, and didn't have a student to take pictures of me doing some of the things. The eyes have a bit of clay on the back sides of them so they stick to the form. The line in the eye needs to point directly to the tip of the nose. I just put a ruler across them, and made sure it lines up to the nose. The fixing of the armpits was kind of a pain and I'm sorry for not detailing them. They were cut with C cuts and I had to turn them into V cuts so I could blend them together. I'll try to take photos of the finished work later and point them out. If anyone has any other questions on parts that I glossed over today, I'll try to explain. |
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Posted: 3/25/2010 4:31:58 PM
[Last Edit: 3/25/2010 9:26:36 PM by guns762]
Day 6—Cape goes on….almost done
First we need to trim up our ear butts and make them even..
You can see where I used a dremel to make them even…
Hide paste goes on to secure the cape once it dries…try not to get it on the eyes or on the hair
We add some clay to the ear butts so they have an anchor, and we can sculpt them in the position we want and have them stay there….
We start the sewing by connecting the corners of the cape around the antlers. We make a Y by stitching up each antler butt, to the center of the cape. Seems hard the first time, but as long as you think of the Y and where you are at, it’s pretty easy.
Here the Y is complete, and it’s time for the long road of stitching up the spine. An hour or two later and it will be all sewed up…
Our problem area is here. It’s short, and you can see where I blended the cape in the arm pit. Right on the shoulder is the stitching. You can see the hariline change on the front of the shoulder. Oh, well. It looks pretty good anyway. The owner would never know the difference if I didn't tell him. The cards are to keep the cape from drumming out away from the form.
Here is a view of the back, where we stapled up the cape to the back of the form, and trimmed it short.
The first eye is complete, as well as the tear duct is done….I’m not going into a lot of detail here as it’s just so much to explain. Basicly, you put a single pin in the front corner of the eye to hold it in place, then sculpt from there. Lots of looking at pictures of alive caribou, then sculpting that with the skin, and clay…
Here is the muzzle…It was pretty painless this time. I cut down on the clay I used around each feature, and the nostrils really fit perfectly in the form. The lips are tucked up with a flat tool, bottom first, then top. A thin handle end of a silverware would work pretty well; I use some clay sculpting tools that are different shapes. I almost messed the eyes up, by doing them like Elk; then I noticed the differences on the photos.
Other eye is detailed and done. Muzzle is together..we are almost done. Notice the pins. They hold the lips in place while they dry, so they don't pull out of the cut we did back on day 1. Half are pinning the upper lip, the rest are holding the lower lip in place. I've still got painting to do, and work on the velvet, but the major work is now close to done. I got the ears in position, and some tissure in the nose to help hold it in place.
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Posted: 3/25/2010 4:35:41 PM
Awsome!!!!!
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