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Posted: 10/3/2015 12:45:47 PM EDT
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No use can use a counter pressure bottle filler.
Look around and you should find plans on how to make one or buy one. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 10:08:24 PM EDT
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Yep. Blichmann beer gun is a popular one, but it is $75 plus accessories.
Now, I suppose you can warm it up, add the appropriate amount of priming sugar, and repitch an appropriate amount of yeast. With that said, overcarbonating would be a concern. |
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Posted: 12/6/2015 3:07:24 PM EDT
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If you're set on carbing in bottle you can always take the kegs of pressure and leave the pressure vent open for a few days. I did that to a beer I overcarbed a couple years ago and it worked fine. I also shook mine every couple hours (remember to close vent before shaking
 ). That being said, I find that carbing in keg then bottling with a Beer Gun is superior to bottle carbing in many way, chief among them is precise control over carb levels. Not having to explain to family/friends that "sediment" is perfectly normal is a huge plus too, there's no sediment in keg-carbed bottled.
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Posted: 12/7/2015 10:18:29 PM EDT
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If you use the gun to keg carb do the bottles stay good as long as they would have been if they had been naturally carved?
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Posted: 12/7/2015 11:10:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you use the gun to keg carb do the bottles stay good as long as they would have been if they had been naturally carved? Yes. If properly sanitized and kept cold, your beers will be good for years (depending on style, of course). Hell, it may actually reduce oxygenation compared to bottle conditioning. CO2 in solution is CO2 in solution. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 11:33:49 AM EDT
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Yes. If properly sanitized and kept cold, your beers will be good for years (depending on style, of course). Hell, it may actually reduce oxygenation compared to bottle conditioning. CO2 in solution is CO2 in solution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you use the gun to keg carb do the bottles stay good as long as they would have been if they had been naturally carved? Yes. If properly sanitized and kept cold, your beers will be good for years (depending on style, of course). Hell, it may actually reduce oxygenation compared to bottle conditioning. CO2 in solution is CO2 in solution. Please explain your thought here? |
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Posted: 12/10/2015 10:57:47 AM EDT
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Please explain your thought here? Beer guns (at least Blichmann's) have a CO2 gas hook-up on them as well so you can purge bottles of all oxygen before filling, not to mention that the beer itself is already off-gassing CO2. When you carb in bottle with sugar/ dme/ whatever your preference, the headspace contains oxygen and the beer is exposed to that, even if a little, before naturally carbonating. The difference may be small, and to be honest I'm not sure any of us could tell a difference over the course of a couple months. Over a couple years though? Possibly. |
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Posted: 12/11/2015 9:24:35 AM EDT
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Beer guns (at least Blichmann's) have a CO2 gas hook-up on them as well so you can purge bottles of all oxygen before filling, not to mention that the beer itself is already off-gassing CO2. When you carb in bottle with sugar/ dme/ whatever your preference, the headspace contains oxygen and the beer is exposed to that, even if a little, before naturally carbonating. The difference may be small, and to be honest I'm not sure any of us could tell a difference over the course of a couple months. Over a couple years though? Possibly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Please explain your thought here? Beer guns (at least Blichmann's) have a CO2 gas hook-up on them as well so you can purge bottles of all oxygen before filling, not to mention that the beer itself is already off-gassing CO2. When you carb in bottle with sugar/ dme/ whatever your preference, the headspace contains oxygen and the beer is exposed to that, even if a little, before naturally carbonating. The difference may be small, and to be honest I'm not sure any of us could tell a difference over the course of a couple months. Over a couple years though? Possibly. I see your idea, I just know that it has also been said that some brewers bottle condition for the very reason that O2 is less (due to ferment eating it), so was curious. I'm sure it can go either way depending on your systems. ETA: One thing I wish I understood more was the gas mixing effect, that CO2 doesn't leave a "blanket" and how it would really look in a purge type situation. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 12:40:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please explain your thought here? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you use the gun to keg carb do the bottles stay good as long as they would have been if they had been naturally carved? Yes. If properly sanitized and kept cold, your beers will be good for years (depending on style, of course). Hell, it may actually reduce oxygenation compared to bottle conditioning. CO2 in solution is CO2 in solution. Please explain your thought here? You can purge the bottle with CO2 before and after filling before capping. Plus, you can go straight from the fermenter into a CO2 purged keg, carbonate, then shoot into a purged bottle. With "normal" bottling you leave your fermenter into an air filled bottling bucket which pours into an air filled bottle. I guess you could use a separate tube to purge all of the above, but what a pain. ETA: IIRC CO2 is pretty dense compared to air. I'd imagine the portion of gas in contact with the beer as the bottle fills would mainly be CO2. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 1:11:51 PM EDT
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You can purge the bottle with CO2 before and after filling before capping. Plus, you can go straight from the fermenter into a CO2 purged keg, carbonate, then shoot into a purged bottle. With "normal" bottling you leave your fermenter into an air filled bottling bucket which pours into an air filled bottle. I guess you could use a separate tube to purge all of the above, but what a pain. ETA: IIRC CO2 is pretty dense compared to air. I'd imagine the portion of gas in contact with the beer as the bottle fills would mainly be CO2. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you use the gun to keg carb do the bottles stay good as long as they would have been if they had been naturally carved? Yes. If properly sanitized and kept cold, your beers will be good for years (depending on style, of course). Hell, it may actually reduce oxygenation compared to bottle conditioning. CO2 in solution is CO2 in solution. Please explain your thought here? You can purge the bottle with CO2 before and after filling before capping. Plus, you can go straight from the fermenter into a CO2 purged keg, carbonate, then shoot into a purged bottle. With "normal" bottling you leave your fermenter into an air filled bottling bucket which pours into an air filled bottle. I guess you could use a separate tube to purge all of the above, but what a pain. ETA: IIRC CO2 is pretty dense compared to air. I'd imagine the portion of gas in contact with the beer as the bottle fills would mainly be CO2. If you look back there is a thread where our resident pro brewer answers this too, but I haven't looked, he recommended bottle conditioning for long aging beers; I dispute that one is universally better than the other, or you wouldn't have major breweries that care about quality like sierra nevada bottle condition everything. |
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Posted: 1/21/2016 12:18:12 PM EDT
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One of the former Brewers/ microbiologist @ Serria Nevada is a homebrewer and got his start homebrewing, well that and his PHd in MB
 . He stated the company is very open to questioning by Homebrewers but will stop short of giving up direct recipies. I would say to shoot them an email and see where it goes. 
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