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Posted: 6/4/2012 3:00:41 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT My question is after the cider ferments and I rack it, is it ok to leave on the counter (room temp) after bottling? Our fridge is always packed (4 kids) to the gillz with stuff! What if I pasteurize the bottles after I load them with the cider? I'm just worried that the cider will go bad if I don't kill off the yeast. Is this a valid concern? How long should the cider last regardless if it was in the fridge and out of the fridge? Thanks for helping a newbie out. |
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Posted: 6/4/2012 7:21:27 PM
[Last Edit: 6/4/2012 7:22:09 PM by Sniper_Wolfe]
Originally Posted By ebbtide:
First let me preface this with telling you I have never ever brewed a thing in my life. I like cider and love beer so I wanted to try brewing something simple before spending alot of coin on a brew equipment kit. My question is after the cider ferments and I rack it, is it ok to leave on the counter (room temp) after bottling? Our fridge is always packed (4 kids) to the gillz with stuff! It depends. If you sweeten at bottling with any sort of real sugar....no, unless you pasteurize. If you just leave it dry (or add enough sugar just for bottling, or sweeten with something artificial/unfermentable like Splenda), you'll be fine. What if I pasteurize the bottles after I load them with the cider? I plan on trying this for the first time soon. Just been too lazy to bottle all 20+ gal. I'm just worried that the cider will go bad if I don't kill off the yeast. Is this a valid concern? Nope. How long should the cider last regardless if it was in the fridge and out of the fridge? Depends on the cider. Might be best to drink young, might be best in three years. It varies. It won't go 'bad' unless you mess something up (that 'something' being sanitation –– get some StarSan and a spray bottle). Thanks for helping a newbie out. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 1:16:03 AM
Thanks a ton for responding to my questions, much appreciated!!
So if I read correctly, you say if I back sweeten after fermentation then I will be ok without refrigeration. Right? I know I add sugar before fermentation, so will doing it on the back side lessen the ABV? I know I will find a way to f*ck this up somehow. I think where I went wrong is by looking at all these brewing forums. Some say it's good for 2 weeks without a refer and some say it will be fine for years. I bought the cider today, got my thief in the mail and just waiting on the airlocks and rubber stops. Next stop... A brew kit! Boy will I have questions then!! ![]() |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 7:14:17 AM
Originally Posted By ebbtide:
Thanks a ton for responding to my questions, much appreciated!! So if I read correctly, you say if I back sweeten after fermentation then I will be ok without refrigeration. Right? No, sorry, the opposite. If you back sweeten with sugar after fermentation, you need to either refrigerate or pasteurize. Yeast eat sugar, and poop CO2 and alcohol. If you feed them and cap the bottle off, the CO2 has nowhere to go. If you add only a small amount of sugar (search for 'priming sugar calculator'), you'll wind up with carbonated cider because the CO2 will go into solution and make bubbles. If you add too much (i.e. enough to back sweeten), you'll make bottle bombs. Refrigeration should halt fermentation (I wouldn't totally trust it), pasteurization definitely will. I'm going to try pasteurizing because I want sweet carbonated cider. If you back sweeten with something like Splenda you can leave it at room temperature, but it won't carbonate because the yeast can't eat Splenda. I know I add sugar before fermentation, so will doing it on the back side lessen the ABV? No –– only to the extent that you dilute it by adding sugar water or whatever. But all the alcohol will remain. I know I will find a way to f*ck this up somehow. I think where I went wrong is by looking at all these brewing forums. Some say it's good for 2 weeks without a refer and some say it will be fine for years. That's because it's sort of like asking "Hey should my gun be accurate at 600 yards?" and not saying what kind of gun it is. Cider varies. I bought the cider today, got my thief in the mail and just waiting on the airlocks and rubber stops. Next stop... A brew kit! Boy will I have questions then!! You should try to find a local homebrew club, great way to get good help and meet people. ![]() |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 8:32:18 AM
Ok, that totally makes more sense to me now. Thanks a ton! I will be hitting up our local brew store on Saturday if I can slip away from the family for a bit.
I'll keep this post updated with my cherry popping progress. Thanks again!! |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 11:26:21 AM
Originally Posted By ebbtide:
Ok, that totally makes more sense to me now. Thanks a ton! I will be hitting up our local brew store on Saturday if I can slip away from the family for a bit. I'll keep this post updated with my cherry popping progress. Thanks again!! Post up your recipe and planned procedure (i.e. how long to ferment, etc.) and I will take a look at it if you like. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 11:56:07 AM
This is the one I plan on using. However, if you have a better tasting or easier one please feel free to advise me.
I'll try this one This is the cider I bought as well. I bought both the juice and the cider. The first two listed on the link. What I bought |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 1:15:22 PM
Originally Posted By ebbtide:
This is the one I plan on using. However, if you have a better tasting or easier one please feel free to advise me. I'll try this one This is the cider I bought as well. I bought both the juice and the cider. The first two listed on the link. What I bought You should really buy some Star-San from the homebrew store. The guy you linked sounds like a damn hippie (organic this, all-natural that, who cares). Mix up a few gallons of sanitizer. Put some in a spray bottle and some in a bucket. Sanitize everything that will touch your cider. Put some in whatever you're going to ferment in and shake it up. It will foam, this is a good thing. Don't fear the foam (i.e. don't worry about trying to get it all out). The residual foam is friendly to the yeast. Sanitize your hands and let your airlock, etc. soak in the Star-San. You can also use Star-San to fill the airlock (it's safe enough that you can drink it). This is my procedure, and I've never had an infection (knock on wood). Spray the hell out of everything with the spray bottle. I would also recommend getting a hydrometer because they're cheap, and it'll allow you to measure the starting and finishing gravity of your cider (so you can figure out how much alcohol is in it, and know for sure that it's done fermenting –– also necessary for beer brewing). The rest of the directions are pretty solid. It's actually similar to EdWort's Apfelwein, which I've made about a half dozen times. I would check out that thread. I've never used champagne yeast, mostly because I've heard bad things. I use beer or wine yeast. Try to ferment relatively cool if you can (64-68F). The warmer you ferment, and the more sugar you boost your juice with, the longer it will take for your cider to age. I've made cider from straight juice that was delicious in two weeks, and I've also made cider with sugar that took six months to become drinkable. Don't get in a hurry. Are you going to bottle and carbonate? If so, I highly suggest weighing your sugar and using a priming sugar calculator. Personally I carbonate cider to 3.75 volumes, which is pretty damn bubbly. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 1:51:35 PM
You should really buy some Star-San from the homebrew store. Got it on my list for Saturday.The guy you linked sounds like a damn hippie (organic this, all-natural that, who cares) I said the same thing!. Mix up a few gallons of sanitizer. Put some in a spray bottle and some in a bucket. Sanitize everything that will touch your cider. Put some in whatever you're going to ferment in and shake it up. It will foam, this is a good thing. Don't fear the foam (i.e. don't worry about trying to get it all out). The residual foam is friendly to the yeast. Sanitize your hands and let your airlock, etc. soak in the Star-San. You can also use Star-San to fill the airlock (it's safe enough that you can drink it). This is my procedure, and I've never had an infection (knock on wood). Spray the hell out of everything with the spray bottle.
I would also recommend getting a hydrometer because they're cheap, and it'll allow you to measure the starting and finishing gravity of your cider (so you can figure out how much alcohol is in it, and know for sure that it's done fermenting –– also necessary for beer brewing). I got my hydrometer in the mail yesterday. The rest of the directions are pretty solid. It's actually similar to EdWort's Apfelwein, which I've made about a half dozen times. I would check out that thread. I've never used champagne yeast, mostly because I've heard bad things. I use beer or wine yeast. I bought some Nottingham ale yeast to try in the first batch. Try to ferment relatively cool if you can (64-68F). The warmer you ferment, and the more sugar you boost your juice with, the longer it will take for your cider to age. I've made cider from straight juice that was delicious in two weeks, and I've also made cider with sugar that took six months to become drinkable. Don't get in a hurry. Patience you say huh? I'm 40 and still want to peek at Xmas gifts. ;) Are you going to bottle and carbonate? If so, I highly suggest weighing your sugar and using a priming sugar calculator. Personally I carbonate cider to 3.75 volumes, which is pretty damn bubbly. I plan on serving out of the original cider bottle @ first and then try the grolsch style bottles on the next batch. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 3:43:53 PM
So do you intend to let it fully ferment, and then simply take the airlock off and put the cap back? And then let it sit on your counter?
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Posted: 6/5/2012 4:12:47 PM
From what I have read, now you can tell me if it was correct or not. Is to let the airlock tell you when the yeast has eaten up enough of the sugar (done with bubbling). After that, I plan on racking it 1-2 times into another clean glass carboy and then leaving it in the original juice bottle when the racking is complete.
Hopefully I can make enough room in the fridge to put it in after it's done. I just wanted to ask all the right questions just incase it does need to sit at room temp for a few weeks. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 4:22:36 PM
Originally Posted By ebbtide:
From what I have read, now you can tell me if it was correct or not. Is to let the airlock tell you when the yeast has eaten up enough of the sugar (done with bubbling). Um, sort of. A bubbling airlock definitely means it's fermenting, but a still airlock doesn't totally indicate that it's done fermenting. After that, I plan on racking it 1-2 times into another clean glass carboy and then leaving it in the original juice bottle when the racking is complete. This is a good plan, I was concerned you weren't going to rack it off the yeast –– that wouldn't taste very good. Wait til it's done bubbling, wait a few more days, rack it, wait a week, rack it again...that should be more than enough to make sure you're done fermenting. But you have a hydrometer –– so use that instead. Hopefully I can make enough room in the fridge to put it in after it's done. I just wanted to ask all the right questions just incase it does need to sit at room temp for a few weeks. You can do that, but you have to (1) be sure it's done fermenting and (2) don't open it up and expose it to the air –– bacteria can get in. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 4:40:05 PM
Ok... I think you have taught me well Sensei.
I shall report back, hopefully with pics on my progress. A huge thanks for your time. Mike |
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Posted: 6/9/2012 10:58:33 AM
I last used san diago super ale yeast, and let it ferment totally dry.
Thinking Bactria is not an issue in some cases. lol
4 gallon apple juice (no preservatives) 1 gallon dark cherry juice (no preservatives) 8 pounds brown sugar 4 pounds honey SG was over 1.100 I dumped this on a yeast cake, from a heavy ale I just transferred. Took right off. Mixed with a little sprite zero, and ice, it curls your toes. It one of those drinks you don't feel until you try to stand up. |
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Posted: 6/9/2012 2:13:36 PM
Ha! Now that's the kinda drink I like. ;)
I will be doing the cider in a few minutes along with some mead tomorrow. I'll post up some pics later. |
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