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Posted: 2/4/2012 10:13:56 AM

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Just curious. Me, I just buy whatever is cheapest and available locally. No sales tax as grain is considered food in this state or shipping since I pick up. Usually ends up being Briess at the two locals. I did get some cheap Durst Pils malt last year, but the price has went up since then.

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Posted: 2/5/2012 1:51:50 PM
I've only done one AG batch and it was a kit. I would like to think at some point I'll buy a bunch of base grain then just be buying a couple lb bags of specialty grains at a clip. I am envisioning a bunch of bins in the basement with scoops in them and nice labels. HA. I doubt I'll ever be that organized.
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Posted: 2/5/2012 2:15:04 PM
Originally Posted By Waldo:
I just buy whatever is cheapest and available locally.


I just buy whatever is available locally. There is only one shop so it is the cheapest....and the most expensive!
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Posted: 2/5/2012 4:12:38 PM
i always buy Breiss 2-row about a hundred pounds at a time. In the spring and summer i tend to buy European pilsner malt(i generally only brew Saison's and Wits in the summer). Cheers & happy brewing!
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Posted: 2/8/2012 3:16:33 PM
I just finally got a crusher and I'll be stocking up. I plan to have Breiss 2-row and as much Castle pils as I can find/afford.

I brew/drink APA/AIPA, and BPA/BIPA the most.
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Posted: 2/9/2012 2:53:00 PM
How much beer a month would you have to make to start buying bulk grain?

Hell, I just made a 2.5 gal batch because it's only my Wife and myself drinking.
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Posted: 2/9/2012 10:10:46 PM
Originally Posted By Disintegr8or:
How much beer a month would you have to make to start buying bulk grain?


IDK, I brew in spurts in the cooler months and pretty much not at all when it gets hot. So I try to have enough on hand by spring to last me until the cool fall weather hits. Summer camping trips with other folks tends to deplete the stash fairly rapidly. This winter has been pretty mild here, so I have brewed much more than I normally would have, which means I won't have to do much going into this spring. I really don't have any more room to make any more right now. All of my primaries and secondaries are full. 30 gallons and another 15 kegged. Have to bottle some of what's done for camping next to clear up some room.

It's usually around $ .50- .75 a lb cheaper buying uncrushed bulk base malt. It's probably not worth it to you if you're only brewing small batches once in a while, especially if you don't have a mill.



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Posted: 2/12/2012 11:10:07 PM
I brew ten gallon batches and i usually brew about every 3 weeks. So buying in bulk is a must for me. Also like others have said getting a mill is a very good idea. I have Barley Crusher and I set my gap at .031". My efficiency went from 65% using the LHBS mill to 75%using mine(batch sparging). with the change in efficiency from owning your own mill you could potentially save your self 5 pounds of grain per batch. I also like the fact that it gives me one more aspect of the brewing process that i am in control of. For those of you that crush your grain try conditioning your grain before you crush it.
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Posted: 2/13/2012 11:49:13 AM
Originally Posted By jheld03:
I brew ten gallon batches and i usually brew about every 3 weeks. So buying in bulk is a must for me. Also like others have said getting a mill is a very good idea. I have Barley Crusher and I set my gap at .031". My efficiency went from 65% using the LHBS mill to 75%using mine(batch sparging). with the change in efficiency from owning your own mill you could potentially save your self 5 pounds of grain per batch. I also like the fact that it gives me one more aspect of the brewing process that i am in control of. For those of you that crush your grain try conditioning your grain before you crush it.


+1

I brew as often as I can and this requires me to have grain on hand .. I can usually decide whatever style I want and have the appropriate ingredients on hand!

Personally I like Rahr 2 row, Crisp Maris Otter, Weyermann Pilsner.
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Posted: 2/13/2012 3:49:43 PM
Originally Posted By jheld03:
I brew ten gallon batches and i usually brew about every 3 weeks. So buying in bulk is a must for me. Also like others have said getting a mill is a very good idea. I have Barley Crusher and I set my gap at .031". My efficiency went from 65% using the LHBS mill to 75%using mine(batch sparging). with the change in efficiency from owning your own mill you could potentially save your self 5 pounds of grain per batch. I also like the fact that it gives me one more aspect of the brewing process that i am in control of. For those of you that crush your grain try conditioning your grain before you crush it.


What does that mean –– conditioning your grain?
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Posted: 2/13/2012 4:30:02 PM
Originally Posted By Sniper_Wolfe:
Originally Posted By jheld03:
I brew ten gallon batches and i usually brew about every 3 weeks. So buying in bulk is a must for me. Also like others have said getting a mill is a very good idea. I have Barley Crusher and I set my gap at .031". My efficiency went from 65% using the LHBS mill to 75%using mine(batch sparging). with the change in efficiency from owning your own mill you could potentially save your self 5 pounds of grain per batch. I also like the fact that it gives me one more aspect of the brewing process that i am in control of. For those of you that crush your grain try conditioning your grain before you crush it.


What does that mean –– conditioning your grain?



Basically you are "wet milling" your grain like the big guys. Conditioning allows the husk to absorb a little bit of water, so that when you mill your grain you essentially are pushing the endosperm out of the husk instead of ripping the husk to shreds exposing the endosperm. which in turn gives you a husk that is much more intact compared to dry milling. That allows you to not only have a better grain bed so you are much less likely to get a stuck sparge. Because of that you can close the gap on your mill more which will usually yields better conversion efficiency. Now on to the how to.
-First get a small spray bottle 10oz size is plenty big enough.
-Next depending on the size of your batch collect 4-10oz of water(i use 8 give or take because i do 10gal batches).
-You will need some sort of shallow vessel with a decent amount of surface area.(i use a tote that is 2'W 3.5'L 6"D)
-Pour some grain into the container till it covers the bottom about a .5" deep or so.
-Now mist the water over the grain just enough to get the top layer damp and mix the grain around with your hand and mist again. you dont need much water! you want the grain to feel "leathery"not soaking wet. I don't know how else to describe other than "leathery" when you do it you will know what i mean by the leather feel.
-Now just repeat the two previous steps with the rest of your grain.
-After your done wait about 20 minutes then crush your grain.
Since you aren't using much water you can do this the night before your brew day. I tend to condition and crush the night before so that i can cut down the length of my brew day.
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Posted: 2/13/2012 5:08:08 PM
cornykeg has a flat shipping of 7.99 with their grain.

Better to spent 7.99 plus 43 dollars for 50 lbs then 79 at the local brew store
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Posted: 2/20/2012 11:48:40 PM
No complaints using Briess that I buy from my LBS as that's all they carry. Yeah it costs a few cents more than Durst or Dingeman but in bulk it's maybe a buck or two more.
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Posted: 2/21/2012 5:00:30 PM
Originally Posted By Disintegr8or:
How much beer a month would you have to make to start buying bulk grain?

Hell, I just made a 2.5 gal batch because it's only my Wife and myself drinking.


Wait, you purposefully only made a half batch because there are ONLY two people drinking it? That's 12 beers apiece. That'd be gone in a week in my house. I don't have time to brew every week. We get to brew maybe once a month, and we supplement with commercial beer. I don't really mind, actually, because I like to support craft breweries and it gives me an opportunity to try more thangs than I have time to make myself.

But I make a batch a month, maybe a little more, let's say 100 gallons a year.
Good business sense says that investments should have a break-even period between 2 and 4 years, with shorter being better.

Grain costs me $1.60/lb a la carte, or $1.00/lb in bulk. If a batch typically uses 8-12 pounds of base grain, that's a savings of $5-7 per batch, or $100-140 per year. Now that's just grain savings, not counting the cost of fuel to drive to the store and back, or the time saved.

The upfront costs are a grain mill. I bought a Barley Crusher brand mill that's driven by a cordless drill. It cost $130.

My break-even period is right around one year. So it makes good business sense for me to buy bulk grain.



Using a 2-year BEP, you'd need to brew around 10x 5-gallon batches per year for bulk grain to be considered a good investment.


But we're not doing this because it makes good business sense. We're doing it because we like making beer. So the long answer is, if you want the advantages of being able to brew when you want without going to the store, being able to control the grind and mill your own grain, being able to roast, smoke, or acidulate your own grain, or do anything else that requires the use of a grain mill... And assuming you have the storage space to keep 50 pound sacks of grain around the house... then do it.
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Posted: 2/22/2012 9:49:41 AM
Originally Posted By Disintegr8or:
How much beer a month would you have to make to start buying bulk grain?

Hell, I just made a 2.5 gal batch because it's only my Wife and myself drinking.


Sometimes it isn't how much you are brewing, but WHAT you are brewing. I just made a 5 gallon Russian Imperial Stout (RIS) for next winter that took over 22lbs of base malt! That batch, plus two standard 12lb base malt batches and I brewed through a sack in a month.