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Posted: 1/19/2012 9:53:15 AM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT My GI bill has expired, I am jobless at the moment, and I have a family of four to support. I know I need to get back to college. I only have about 12 hours of school knocked out, but really only one math course is going to count, so 3hrs. The local colleges are branches of larger schools, or a community college. (FSU, West Fla, Troy, or Gulf coast). These schools do not offer a mechanical engineering degree through the local branches. Distance/online do not list it either. I'm really at a shameful loss when it comes to knowledge about college. Is there a way I can get my education 100% online, and have it actually worth anything? Is there a way I can start into a degree offered, get an AA, and then switch to a BS in ME using online? |
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Posted: 1/19/2012 10:08:12 AM
You've posed a bunch of heavy questions, some requring more professional help than you're gonna find on-line.
First, go to www.abet.org. Check out ME and MET programs available in Fla. ABET approved two year programs are listed as well as four year programs. Listings for ME and MET programs are seperate so you'll have to do two searches. Don't mess with non-ABET programs, as attractive as they might look. Once you find an attractive program, you can go to the Institution's website and determine whether they have any "alternative delivery" offerings which is academic buzz mumble for on-line or off-site classes. You can get a lot of the pre-requisites out off the way at JCs––math, physics, chemistry. You need to have in mind, however, the institution you're eventually going to transfer to, and check with their registrar AHEAD OF TIME that they will accept your transfer credits. Good luck my friend. You have a long road ahead of you. |
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Posted: 1/19/2012 10:13:23 AM
Thank you.
I've been bit once before by the college transfer/not gonna happen, your credits are no good here. I know it's a long road, but had I stuck it out before, I could have had my masters 2x by now. That's gut wrenching to think about. Now, I'll be over 40, and still in school for the Bachelors. Live and learn right? |
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Posted: 1/19/2012 4:01:03 PM
[Last Edit: 1/19/2012 4:01:47 PM by tnsparky]
Originally Posted By dewme5:
Thank you. I've been bit once before by the college transfer/not gonna happen, your credits are no good here. I know it's a long road, but had I stuck it out before, I could have had my masters 2x by now. That's gut wrenching to think about. Now, I'll be over 40, and still in school for the Bachelors. Live and learn right? Check out the University of Florida (GO GATORS!!!!). I know they had a ton of online courses (even a good selection at the graduate level) in the electrical engineering department. I think the online stuff was being offered throughout the entire college of engineering. It may be a viable option for most, if not all, of your course work. As already mentioned, be really careful with where you take what. For general education requirements you have more wiggle room than you will for core course requirements. |
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Posted: 1/19/2012 5:27:11 PM
Originally Posted By tnsparky: Originally Posted By dewme5: Thank you. I've been bit once before by the college transfer/not gonna happen, your credits are no good here. I know it's a long road, but had I stuck it out before, I could have had my masters 2x by now. That's gut wrenching to think about. Now, I'll be over 40, and still in school for the Bachelors. Live and learn right? Check out the University of Florida (GO GATORS!!!!). I know they had a ton of online courses (even a good selection at the graduate level) in the electrical engineering department. I think the online stuff was being offered throughout the entire college of engineering. It may be a viable option for most, if not all, of your course work. As already mentioned, be really careful with where you take what. For general education requirements you have more wiggle room than you will for core course requirements. We have a FSU here in town, but it's a very small branch. Across the street is Gulf Coast State (formerly a community college). I know the two of those play very well with each other in certain aspects. If one branch of FSU will accept the credits, at the moment, I assume all branches will. Tallahassee is just under two hours away, so for the classes I can't get here, I can get there. Gainsville is four hours away, so that could be a consideration (I do like the Gators better then the Seminoles), but with family issues, I'm not sure how things will work out. There has been some consideration with job searching, about relocating. Looking at in-state and out of state tuition, I would most definitely can not afford that route. I just looked for the first time today, and it looks like I will qualify for a grant or two. Looks like clipping coupons, and a much more economical vehicle are in my future. These couple of little tips are the questions you sometimes just don't know to ask. Thank you. |
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Posted: 1/19/2012 9:56:04 PM
You could knock out most of your first two years at a good CC, many offer some ME core classes.
I seriously doubt you will find any ABET ME degree program that will allow many online classes after the first 2 years. I was able to take my humanities requirements online and that was all. Mechanics of materials is kind of a big deal with that degree and there would be lab work that goes along with it. Add to that a handfull of additional labs for chem, physics, EE core classes, and you will encounter even more labs dependant on your area of concentration. Many classes require some pretty expensive software, in my case I used ANSYS, Catia, Labview and Matlab pretty heavily my last two years. Most programs now have a few team design projects that not only require "in-class" time but a decent amount of outside time. My senior project was a team project for 2 semesters. The job market for ME / AE isn't like it used to be either. Many jobs have gone to cheaper locations like India, CZ, and Mexico. Many unemployed ME's = lower starting pay. I would do it over because its what I like to do, but make sure you can stomach a good amount of calculus, diffEQ's and many sleepless nights pulling your hair out of your head trying to figure out homework problems. Good luck. |
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Posted: 1/20/2012 11:39:49 AM
If you get the 'T' on the end of the degree it will greatly reduce your starting salary and opportunities.
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Posted: 1/21/2012 6:37:44 PM
[Last Edit: 1/21/2012 6:44:04 PM by Chapman]
Originally Posted By LNC2BLDR:
You could knock out most of your first two years at a good CC, many offer some ME core classes. I seriously doubt you will find any ABET ME degree program that will allow many online classes after the first 2 years. I was able to take my humanities requirements online and that was all. Mechanics of materials is kind of a big deal with that degree and there would be lab work that goes along with it. Add to that a handfull of additional labs for chem, physics, EE core classes, and you will encounter even more labs dependant on your area of concentration. Many classes require some pretty expensive software, in my case I used ANSYS, Catia, Labview and Matlab pretty heavily my last two years. Most programs now have a few team design projects that not only require "in-class" time but a decent amount of outside time. My senior project was a team project for 2 semesters. The job market for ME / AE isn't like it used to be either. Many jobs have gone to cheaper locations like India, CZ, and Mexico. Many unemployed ME's = lower starting pay. I would do it over because its what I like to do, but make sure you can stomach a good amount of calculus, diffEQ's and many sleepless nights pulling your hair out of your head trying to figure out homework problems. Good luck. Truth. I've never heard of a purely online, ABET-accredited (<–– research ABET, degree is basically useless without it) ME program. Having said that, I don't know that I would take the online route anyway. I'm a junior in ME, and the program is tough enough when you have resources immediately available for help. Without these resources, it would be impossible for me. As was also noted, these design projects are an integral part of your engineering education, primarily your senior design project. This will require extensive group-work outside the classroom. If you can find something, pursue it with everything you've got, but you've got a tough road ahead. Good luck bud ETA: After reading more in the OP, allow me to offer a suggestion. Go here first: http://www.fafsa.ed.gov/. This is FAFSA, which is the Free Application for Federal Student Aid. This is the route through which grants and student loans are to be had. In your current situation, you may be able to get some grant money (doesn't need repaying) to supplement student loans, in order to help support your family. This will give you an idea of where you can stand, financially. |
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Posted: 1/24/2012 5:19:48 PM
Originally Posted By brickeyee:
If you get the 'T' on the end of the degree it will greatly reduce your starting salary and opportunities.
Lockheed probably wouldn't hire me, but I'm pretty comfortable in the gas fields. |
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Posted: 1/24/2012 6:40:36 PM
[Last Edit: 1/24/2012 6:41:07 PM by skipsan]
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Originally Posted By brickeyee:
If you get the 'T' on the end of the degree it will greatly reduce your starting salary and opportunities.
Lockheed probably wouldn't hire me, but I'm pretty comfortable in the gas fields. I don't know, Boeing set up an in-house MET program for their employees at their facilities in the Seattle area. I believe the program is totally funded by Boeing at no expense to their emloyees/students. |
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Posted: 1/29/2012 9:23:26 PM
Originally Posted By brickeyee:
If you get the 'T' on the end of the degree it will greatly reduce your starting salary and opportunities. If it comes from a good university there isn't much difference in starting salary. I know of a MET graduate that is a VP at a fortune 50 company. To the OP, make a call to FSU and schedule an appointment with an admissions advisor and an engineering advisor. Sit down with them and tell them your situation and let them tell you want you need to do to earn a degree. |
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Posted: 1/29/2012 11:09:51 PM
Originally Posted By shoff14:
Originally Posted By brickeyee:
If you get the 'T' on the end of the degree it will greatly reduce your starting salary and opportunities. If it comes from a good university there isn't much difference in starting salary. I know of a MET graduate that is a VP at a fortune 50 company. To the OP, make a call to FSU and schedule an appointment with an admissions advisor and an engineering advisor. Sit down with them and tell them your situation and let them tell you want you need to do to earn a degree. Agree. The Technology grads do just fine based on the data I see, and I see a lot of data. |
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Posted: 1/30/2012 8:26:46 PM
If you think you may want to be licensed someday, get your bachelors from an ABET college.
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Posted: 1/30/2012 10:02:06 PM
Originally Posted By skipsan:
Originally Posted By shoff14:
Originally Posted By brickeyee:
If you get the 'T' on the end of the degree it will greatly reduce your starting salary and opportunities. If it comes from a good university there isn't much difference in starting salary. I know of a MET graduate that is a VP at a fortune 50 company. To the OP, make a call to FSU and schedule an appointment with an admissions advisor and an engineering advisor. Sit down with them and tell them your situation and let them tell you want you need to do to earn a degree. Agree. The Technology grads do just fine based on the data I see, and I see a lot of data. The Tech grads I know are job hunting (most of them). Here's something I posted a few threads down: "I very strongly disagree with this. Maybe before the recession this was true. However, employers can be a lot more picky in this economy. I graduated with my BS Mech Engineering last spring. Barely any of the tech majors had jobs lined up before graduation. Almost all the ME, CE, and EE did. Those that did get jobs didn't have as many offers and certainly didn't get the pay. A lot of companies wouldn't give the tech majors an interview. ... At my school, the data they passed out to students/prospective students was old. They were pre-2008 surveys. The simple fact of the matter is that there are enough unemployed engineers these days that companies can hire real engineers at low enough rates that there is no reason to bring on someone that isn't willing to put in the additional effort to get the real degree. Again, a lot of companies wouldn't give tech majors an interview. Eastman Chemical, one of the big ones in Longview, Texas where I went to school is one of them. They brought in mediocre engineering students as interns, but wouldn't even consider techs. MOST of the tech majors (and engineers with low grades and/or couldn't pass the FE Exam) that I know are STILL looking for engineering jobs. I graduated last May. Compare that to those of us that put in the effort to get decent to good grades, found internships with real experience, took and passed the FE Exam, and put out a strong effort in general to get the coveted recommendations of the faculty." YMMV |
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Posted: 1/31/2012 11:23:48 AM
[Last Edit: 1/31/2012 11:26:09 AM by Cole2534]
I kind of alluded to it earlier, but this conversation is really industry specific.
Does my company care that I don't know differential equations or advanced theories? No. Do they like that I can do basic instrumentation/controls, calculate stresses and fluid flows? Yes. I work in the petroleum industry, more specifically midstream NG as a field engineer, and the majority of the work I do never even gets beyond arithmetic. API, ASME, DOT, and a handful of other groups basically require you to use their codes and formulas; there's little room for innovation in these areas so the value added by a true ME degree isn't really seen. Are you going to design rockets as an MET? Probably not. Do I make a pretty damn fine living? Yes I do. I'll tell you where I started as a basis- $65k/yr, company truck/phone/laptop, and they match my 401K contributions 2:1 up to 5%. Not bad for being 25 with no kids in a dirt cheap part of the country. |
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Posted: 1/31/2012 11:44:29 AM
Originally Posted By brickeyee:
If you get the 'T' on the end of the degree it will greatly reduce your starting salary and opportunities. That's not an across the board statement. Worked for one company that hired the "T's" more than ME, EE and CE because it meant they had more labs and less of Cal III and Cal IV which we all know we never use. Basically I was told it creates a more well rounded hands on engineer. |
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Posted: 2/2/2012 5:33:19 PM
How is your GI bill done if you only got 12 hrs?
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Posted: 2/2/2012 6:06:59 PM
Originally Posted By brickeyee:
If you get the 'T' on the end of the degree it will greatly reduce your starting salary and opportunities. If your referencing BSEET; I have 13years engineering (design) experience in the telecom and wireless communications fields. In my opinion, there really has not been any corporate differential or preference between the two degrees. This includes hiring preference and salary. The difference in knowledge/performance is more personality based than the "T". As far as in a interview; it's more who you know and where you have been. |
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Posted: 2/2/2012 6:23:43 PM
I have one semester left before graduating with a BSME from Kettering University. I started at 25 and it was a long, tough road but worth every minute. I have a well paying KICKASS job already..... I was hired 2 years prior to my expected graduation date (co-op program). As has been said, pick where you'd like to graduate from. Determine what they accept for transfer. Do what they accept. Don't puss out and do a MET degree. Real ME's laugh at MET's. Harsh but true. Good luck.
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Posted: 2/2/2012 11:51:11 PM
Originally Posted By willcarter49gmail:
Don't puss out and do a MET degree. Real ME's laugh at MET's. Harsh but true. Good luck. This is true, I can't walk down the halls without being laughed at. The real ME's sit in their offices while us field guys drive around all day in, well, fields. Its a damn shame. OP- T or no T, you'll be better off than 95% of the public. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 2/4/2012 11:33:19 PM
It's going to be hard going from a community college to an engineering degree. I'm not that knowledgeable, but I have quite a few friends from math classes in engineering programs. They tend to be extremely rigidly structured. As in, fucking up anywhere along the way WILL delay graduation. It is best to start at the university and follow the plan. Math classes at community college may or may not be good. I have had good luck at community college but have heard from friends that calc and diff eq are jokes at community college.
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Posted: 2/9/2012 5:05:04 AM
Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
It's going to be hard going from a community college to an engineering degree. I'm not that knowledgeable, but I have quite a few friends from math classes in engineering programs. They tend to be extremely rigidly structured. As in, fucking up anywhere along the way WILL delay graduation. It is best to start at the university and follow the plan. Math classes at community college may or may not be good. I have had good luck at community college but have heard from friends that calc and diff eq are jokes at community college. Depends on the community college and the university. I've had professors say that calc classes at certain community colleges are more difficult than the calc classes taught at the majority of universities. |
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Posted: 2/13/2012 5:45:19 PM
Originally Posted By zwitterr: Originally Posted By Couch-Commando: It's going to be hard going from a community college to an engineering degree. I'm not that knowledgeable, but I have quite a few friends from math classes in engineering programs. They tend to be extremely rigidly structured. As in, fucking up anywhere along the way WILL delay graduation. It is best to start at the university and follow the plan. Math classes at community college may or may not be good. I have had good luck at community college but have heard from friends that calc and diff eq are jokes at community college. Depends on the community college and the university. I've had professors say that calc classes at certain community colleges are more difficult than the calc classes taught at the majority of universities. I'd say that tends to be the exception than the rule. At the LSU Eng. Department , one was hard pressed to get credit for courses at other universities, even for our general courses like History and Art. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:26:01 PM
University of North Dakota has an ABET accredited ME program. I'm currently in it. I have a Bachelor's in Computer Science but the stupid company that I work for stripped my engineer title because I don't have an engineering degree yet didn't change my responsibilities or pay. So they are paying for this round of schooling... They also won't hire anyone with a technology degree as an engineer. Seems like more companies are becoming strict on this.
It's a good program so far. Youll have to travel to campus once a year for the labs for your physics and chemistry. The nice part is the flexibility of when I watch lectures and stuff. Just requires a little more diligence to do but it is worth it in the end. |
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Posted: 3/22/2012 1:29:29 AM
I'm currently at a community college and I'm transferring to a 4 year school in fall. I thought that the community college was great. They helped me along the way and was 1/4 the cost of going to a 4 year school off the bat. The only thing I will have trouble transferring is my calculus classes. Apparently, since the 4 year university doesn't allow calculators in their calculus classes, our credits do no transfer there. Everything else transfers without hassle, chem, physics, diff eq, linear algebra, etc. I was told that I would have to take a placement test for math and found out the other day that it is actually an online placement test. I guess the geniuses at the four year college don't think people will use their calculator on an unsupervised online placement test. I also qualified for a transfer scholarship since I have a good GPA, which I would not have gotten if I just started out there.
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Posted: 3/22/2012 3:41:45 AM
Originally Posted By YardleyYeti:
I'm currently at a community college and I'm transferring to a 4 year school in fall. I thought that the community college was great. They helped me along the way and was 1/4 the cost of going to a 4 year school off the bat. The only thing I will have trouble transferring is my calculus classes. Apparently, since the 4 year university doesn't allow calculators in their calculus classes, our credits do no transfer there. Everything else transfers without hassle, chem, physics, diff eq, linear algebra, etc. I was told that I would have to take a placement test for math and found out the other day that it is actually an online placement test. I guess the geniuses at the four year college don't think people will use their calculator on an unsupervised online placement test. I also qualified for a transfer scholarship since I have a good GPA, which I would not have gotten if I just started out there. I hope you do well on that placement test. At the university I'm attending, calc (all of them) are pre-req's for just about every class in your second two years. If you place in calc at all, you will not be able to take very many classes. Statics, dynamics, thermo, mechanics of materials, and many other basic engineering classes require calc as a pre-req. Out of curiosity, what CAN you use a calculator for in calc? We were never allowed to use them in tests, but even on my homework, they wouldn't have had any application. The sole exception would be a few topics in calc II. |
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Posted: 3/22/2012 11:14:04 AM
Originally Posted By Boomholzer:
Originally Posted By brickeyee:
If you get the 'T' on the end of the degree it will greatly reduce your starting salary and opportunities. If your referencing BSEET; I have 13years engineering (design) experience in the telecom and wireless communications fields. In my opinion, there really has not been any corporate differential or preference between the two degrees. This includes hiring preference and salary. The difference in knowledge/performance is more personality based than the "T". As far as in a interview; it's more who you know and where you have been. It may be a wash once you have experience, but it hurt plenty at the start. I worked for a large company for 20+ years, and out HR department never even sent 'T' degrees out for hiring review. They never had a chance. Of course this was a high end engineering shop, making state of the art EW equipment. I know a few 'T' guys that made out well at production houses (we hired them if we needed volume production) and one who after 20 years is doing better than most MEs. Even he says the 'T' cost him a lot. |
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Posted: 3/22/2012 2:36:38 PM
Originally Posted By Chapman:
Originally Posted By YardleyYeti:
I'm currently at a community college and I'm transferring to a 4 year school in fall. I thought that the community college was great. They helped me along the way and was 1/4 the cost of going to a 4 year school off the bat. The only thing I will have trouble transferring is my calculus classes. Apparently, since the 4 year university doesn't allow calculators in their calculus classes, our credits do no transfer there. Everything else transfers without hassle, chem, physics, diff eq, linear algebra, etc. I was told that I would have to take a placement test for math and found out the other day that it is actually an online placement test. I guess the geniuses at the four year college don't think people will use their calculator on an unsupervised online placement test. I also qualified for a transfer scholarship since I have a good GPA, which I would not have gotten if I just started out there. I hope you do well on that placement test. At the university I'm attending, calc (all of them) are pre-req's for just about every class in your second two years. If you place in calc at all, you will not be able to take very many classes. Statics, dynamics, thermo, mechanics of materials, and many other basic engineering classes require calc as a pre-req. Out of curiosity, what CAN you use a calculator for in calc? We were never allowed to use them in tests, but even on my homework, they wouldn't have had any application. The sole exception would be a few topics in calc II. What engineering classes can one take before or concurrently with calc I? I'm planning to double major in ME and EE and want to declare by the end of this semester so I can start taking core classes next semester. I took algebra and trig this semester because I needed to beef up my math (I graduated HS in '04, so I was out of practice). I will pretty much be finished with my gen-ed's after the current semester, so I need to know what I can take next (I plan to talk to an academic adviser soon, but if anyone can share any insight, that would be helpful). On another note, should I take pre-calc before calc I? I don't have any prior exposure to calculus. I'm kind of trying to avoid taking summer classes, but if I need pre-calc first it would almost be necessary for me to take classes over the summer, as I think I am already behind on my math classes. I would like to just use the Khan Academy over the summer to give myself an intro to calc if that's feasible. As it is, my school doesn't give credit for pre-calc to students who have completed both college algebra and trig. That would suggest to me that perhaps it's not all that necessary. For reference to my understanding of math, I do well in algebra and better than average in trig. |
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Posted: 3/22/2012 4:10:13 PM
Originally Posted By Corporal_Chaos:
Originally Posted By Chapman:
Originally Posted By YardleyYeti:
I'm currently at a community college and I'm transferring to a 4 year school in fall. I thought that the community college was great. They helped me along the way and was 1/4 the cost of going to a 4 year school off the bat. The only thing I will have trouble transferring is my calculus classes. Apparently, since the 4 year university doesn't allow calculators in their calculus classes, our credits do no transfer there. Everything else transfers without hassle, chem, physics, diff eq, linear algebra, etc. I was told that I would have to take a placement test for math and found out the other day that it is actually an online placement test. I guess the geniuses at the four year college don't think people will use their calculator on an unsupervised online placement test. I also qualified for a transfer scholarship since I have a good GPA, which I would not have gotten if I just started out there. I hope you do well on that placement test. At the university I'm attending, calc (all of them) are pre-req's for just about every class in your second two years. If you place in calc at all, you will not be able to take very many classes. Statics, dynamics, thermo, mechanics of materials, and many other basic engineering classes require calc as a pre-req. Out of curiosity, what CAN you use a calculator for in calc? We were never allowed to use them in tests, but even on my homework, they wouldn't have had any application. The sole exception would be a few topics in calc II. What engineering classes can one take before or concurrently with calc I? I'm planning to double major in ME and EE and want to declare by the end of this semester so I can start taking core classes next semester. I took algebra and trig this semester because I needed to beef up my math (I graduated HS in '04, so I was out of practice). I will pretty much be finished with my gen-ed's after the current semester, so I need to know what I can take next (I plan to talk to an academic adviser soon, but if anyone can share any insight, that would be helpful). On another note, should I take pre-calc before calc I? I don't have any prior exposure to calculus. I'm kind of trying to avoid taking summer classes, but if I need pre-calc first it would almost be necessary for me to take classes over the summer, as I think I am already behind on my math classes. I would like to just use the Khan Academy over the summer to give myself an intro to calc if that's feasible. As it is, my school doesn't give credit for pre-calc to students who have completed both college algebra and trig. That would suggest to me that perhaps it's not all that necessary. For reference to my understanding of math, I do well in algebra and better than average in trig. Where I'm from, pre-calc IS algebra and trig, so you should be good to go there. The interesting thing about engineering degrees is that they're very low on gen-ed requirements, and heavy on the technical requirements. I'm sorry to say that if you've done 2 years of gen-eds, you won't be out of school in 2 years should you decide to go engineering. More like 3 - 3/12. The university I attend specializes in engineering. When our freshman come in, they're started the first semester with the basics, being calc I, chem 1, physics I, and we throw em an English class so they don't die. The entire ME program here consists of 128 (I think) hours, 21 of which are not engineering related (electives, history, english, etc.) As far as the number of engineering classes you can take before calc I, the answer is not many. This is normally the time that freshmen get the few gen-eds out of the way, but you can still take an introductory engineering design course, introductory chemistry, and maybe another your adviser can find. If you need a full course load, I would suggest doing calc I over the summer. Having calc I done opens up a whole new mess of classes that you can take. Take calc I asap, then progress through the whole math program without skipping a semester. You will regret skipping one if you do, it's painful. Good luck, and say goodbye to your social life |
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Posted: 3/22/2012 4:55:53 PM
Calc 1 over the summer was another question I meant to ask. Looking at the course catalog, calc 1 seems to be the most time consuming math class in the engineering strand. Would trying to absorb all the material in a five week summer session be a bit much?
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Posted: 3/27/2012 2:49:47 PM
[Last Edit: 3/27/2012 2:50:55 PM by Chapman]
Originally Posted By Corporal_Chaos:
Calc 1 over the summer was another question I meant to ask. Looking at the course catalog, calc 1 seems to be the most time consuming math class in the engineering strand. Would trying to absorb all the material in a five week summer session be a bit much? Calc 1 is time consuming. So are 2 and 3. We have 8 week summer sessions, and even that's pushing it a bit. If it's only 5 weeks, skip it and wait for the fall. What you learn in Calc 1 will be reapplied in almost every following class. From all your physics, ME, etc classes, you'll be using calc concepts, so it's very important to absorb that material. It would be very difficult to do in 5 weeks. Even if you do have a light fall semester, that's not a bad thing. You can use it to get acquainted with the engineering program, and get an idea of how much work is involved in each class without jumping in too far. |
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Posted: 4/3/2012 12:35:37 AM
As a lot of other people have posted... knock out as many of your core classes as possible at a CC. Math up to Calc 2 (3 if offered), Gen Eds, PE classes, basic Chem and all that Humanities bullshit. It will save you considerable time and money.
Once that's done jump into an ABET accredited university. This is critical as any program that offers an engineering degree that isn't ABET accredited is a total waste of time. You really need to be part of the ABET club to get anywhere with your degree. It basically keeps the status quo set regarding the level of education and concepts covered. As far as the ME/MET thing goes... you can argue that a lot of different ways. Getting and MET degree can be rewarding and I've had many friends do this but it comes at a cost. While you might get to work in a lab/test cell/R&D shop ll day long and do sweet hands on work... your degree will cap out quick and you'll sit stagnant at around 65k. Not bad but something to consider. The ME degree overall is pretty board and you can go a lot of ways with it. I for one recommend this over an MET degree for the advancement opportunities and higher potential pay scale. Be warned that you very well may end up in a cubi-cell if you go to work for Corporate America. ME's are like sheep in this regard so do some research on what exactly you want to do and what companies offer in terms of employment. The oil fields are notorious for being hands on but hard to have a family life due to the insane hours they work. Fat pay checks though. Another thing to consider, and I highly advise new ME's to do this, is to pick up an EE minor if it's offered at your university. I myself did this and employers flip shit when they see this as the two fields are so interconnected now and EE's and ME's are generally polar opposites in terms of problem solving. Nice feather to have in your hat. I'm in my 8 year of college studying Mechanical - BS and then grad school. If you have any specific questions shoot me an IM on here and I can give you more info. I took a break from my current project and found this thread.... now back to Matlab. |
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Posted: 4/3/2012 2:21:25 AM
[Last Edit: 4/3/2012 4:05:16 AM by Corporal_Chaos]
Originally Posted By mjheath:
Another thing to consider, and I highly advise new ME's to do this, is to pick up an EE minor if it's offered at your university. I myself did this and employers flip shit when they see this as the two fields are so interconnected now and EE's and ME's are generally polar opposites in terms of problem solving. Nice feather to have in your hat. In terms of difficulty, what's your opinion on trying to double major in ME and EE? Is this something that can be feasibly accomplished in nine semesters? I went back to school on the GI Bill and I am trying to squeeze as much as possible out of it. On top of that, if engineers ever become an abundant commodity, I think having both of the degrees will really distinguish me among perspective employers. |
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Posted: 4/3/2012 3:46:48 AM
Originally Posted By Corporal_Chaos:
Originally Posted By mjheath:
Another thing to consider, and I highly advise new ME's to do this, is to pick up an EE minor if it's offered at your university. I myself did this and employers flip shit when they see this as the two fields are so interconnected now and EE's and ME's are generally polar opposites in terms of problem solving. Nice feather to have in your hat. In terms of difficulty, what's your opinion on trying to double major in ME and EE? Is this something that can be feasible accomplished in nine semesters? I went back to school on the GI Bill and I am trying to squeeze as much as possible out of it. On top of that, if engineers ever become an abundant commodity, I think having both of the degrees will really distinguish me among perspective employers. You'll have plenty on your hands trying to do one or the other in 9 semesters. Doing both in 9 is a suicide schedule. |
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Posted: 4/3/2012 4:14:18 AM
Originally Posted By Corporal_Chaos:
Originally Posted By mjheath:
Another thing to consider, and I highly advise new ME's to do this, is to pick up an EE minor if it's offered at your university. I myself did this and employers flip shit when they see this as the two fields are so interconnected now and EE's and ME's are generally polar opposites in terms of problem solving. Nice feather to have in your hat. In terms of difficulty, what's your opinion on trying to double major in ME and EE? Is this something that can be feasibly accomplished in nine semesters? I went back to school on the GI Bill and I am trying to squeeze as much as possible out of it. On top of that, if engineers ever become an abundant commodity, I think having both of the degrees will really distinguish me among perspective employers. Doubtful, nothing against you personally but there's not much overlap and it just wont fly in terms on the time you can allocate for classes. Maybe if you went summers as well but you'll probably burn yourself out - these are pretty tough fields. A Minor would be perfectly doable and is only ~ 20 credits (or Hrs) to pick up. You'll likely have to take an EE course or two which will count towards this as well. I started out as a double but decided to drop to a minor. |
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Posted: 4/3/2012 4:21:45 AM
You'll be completing with 102912018278423 other fresh engineers once you graduate. You want something to put yourself a step a head of them and make you more valuable than the cookie cutter ME. A Minor in any field will help and for the love of god join a project team of some sort while you're there. You don't really get any officially "hands on design" until you're senior year but groups like FSAE, Mini-Baja, EcoCAR look stellar and employers eat that shit up. I did EcoCAR myself and had people called me asking if I was looking for a job. Actually landed an internship at SpaceX last summer due to this. These things help and are very worth your while.
Also helps when you apply to Grad school which I highly recommend. A BS in engineering isn't going to go as far as it did 20 years ago and a LOT of current and displaced engineers are heading back to school in either the traditional sense of some sort of online distance program. Work hard, distinguish yourself, learn some skills and you can walk into a lot of programs which will fully fund you. Two years, albeit it's hell sometimes, and you'll come out with an MS and an additional 15K on top of your starting salary. 70-75K starting for a little over 6 years of school isn't bad and unless you want to go get a phd and you're done with school. |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 8:18:42 PM
Agree. The Technology grads do just fine based on the data I see, and I see a lot of data. Not here they don't, and I see a lot of data as well. I'm a professor in an EET program, and up here the difference in starting salary between E and ET grads is about $15K. |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 8:27:25 PM
Originally Posted By Chapman:
You'll have plenty on your hands trying to do one or the other in 9 semesters. Doing both in 9 is a suicide schedule. ^^ This ^^ Although as stated by others, a minor in anything scientific is good. At the local research university up here, a math minor is 3 courses beyond what is required for an engineering degree, and the extra math will help a lot if you decide to go to grad school. A comp sci minor might not be bad either, depending on the job you take upon graduation. If you are considering anything nanotech related, a chemistry minor makes sense as well (or a ChemE minor, if such a thing exists at your school). |
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Posted: 4/27/2012 8:52:48 AM
Originally Posted By mjheath:
As a lot of other people have posted... knock out as many of your core classes as possible at a CC. Math up to Calc 2 (3 if offered), Gen Eds, PE classes, basic Chem and all that Humanities bullshit. It will save you considerable time and money. Once that's done jump into an ABET accredited university. This is critical as any program that offers an engineering degree that isn't ABET accredited is a total waste of time. You really need to be part of the ABET club to get anywhere with your degree. It basically keeps the status quo set regarding the level of education and concepts covered. As far as the ME/MET thing goes... you can argue that a lot of different ways. Getting and MET degree can be rewarding and I've had many friends do this but it comes at a cost. While you might get to work in a lab/test cell/R&D shop ll day long and do sweet hands on work... your degree will cap out quick and you'll sit stagnant at around 65k. Not bad but something to consider. The ME degree overall is pretty board and you can go a lot of ways with it. I for one recommend this over an MET degree for the advancement opportunities and higher potential pay scale. Be warned that you very well may end up in a cubi-cell if you go to work for Corporate America. ME's are like sheep in this regard so do some research on what exactly you want to do and what companies offer in terms of employment. The oil fields are notorious for being hands on but hard to have a family life due to the insane hours they work. Fat pay checks though. Another thing to consider, and I highly advise new ME's to do this, is to pick up an EE minor if it's offered at your university. I myself did this and employers flip shit when they see this as the two fields are so interconnected now and EE's and ME's are generally polar opposites in terms of problem solving. Nice feather to have in your hat. I'm in my 8 year of college studying Mechanical - BS and then grad school. If you have any specific questions shoot me an IM on here and I can give you more info. I took a break from my current project and found this thread.... now back to Matlab. Industry specific, $65k is not an absolute cap for MET's by any means. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/27/2012 9:37:47 AM
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Originally Posted By mjheath:
As a lot of other people have posted... knock out as many of your core classes as possible at a CC. Math up to Calc 2 (3 if offered), Gen Eds, PE classes, basic Chem and all that Humanities bullshit. It will save you considerable time and money. Once that's done jump into an ABET accredited university. This is critical as any program that offers an engineering degree that isn't ABET accredited is a total waste of time. You really need to be part of the ABET club to get anywhere with your degree. It basically keeps the status quo set regarding the level of education and concepts covered. As far as the ME/MET thing goes... you can argue that a lot of different ways. Getting and MET degree can be rewarding and I've had many friends do this but it comes at a cost. While you might get to work in a lab/test cell/R&D shop ll day long and do sweet hands on work... your degree will cap out quick and you'll sit stagnant at around 65k. Not bad but something to consider. The ME degree overall is pretty board and you can go a lot of ways with it. I for one recommend this over an MET degree for the advancement opportunities and higher potential pay scale. Be warned that you very well may end up in a cubi-cell if you go to work for Corporate America. ME's are like sheep in this regard so do some research on what exactly you want to do and what companies offer in terms of employment. The oil fields are notorious for being hands on but hard to have a family life due to the insane hours they work. Fat pay checks though. Another thing to consider, and I highly advise new ME's to do this, is to pick up an EE minor if it's offered at your university. I myself did this and employers flip shit when they see this as the two fields are so interconnected now and EE's and ME's are generally polar opposites in terms of problem solving. Nice feather to have in your hat. I'm in my 8 year of college studying Mechanical - BS and then grad school. If you have any specific questions shoot me an IM on here and I can give you more info. I took a break from my current project and found this thread.... now back to Matlab. Industry specific, $65k is not an absolute cap for MET's by any means. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Agree––to imply there's a real or imagined salary cap on ET grads reflects a lack of understanding and/or experience in the engineering employment marketplace. There may be individual employers who limit opportunities for graduates of certain programs or even institutions, but in my 40-odd years of experience, its apparent that individual performance and ability far outweigh any initial advantage an individual might have because of their degree title. |
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