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Posted: 10/16/2016 2:08:46 PM EDT
I never had chili growing up. I was kind of a picky eater. I've learned to love more foods since I started college, cooking for myself. So, I decided to try making some for myself.
1lb ground beef tomato sauce red beans half an onion, chopped half a green bell pepper, chopped a jalepeno cumin cayenne pepper beef broth cooked in a crock pot for 8 hours. Add some homemade cornbread, and you have one of the best meals I've ever made! Wow, it's good! I'm a little angry at my mother for having never made it before! |
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What should I add? Not sarcastic. ETA I mean, isn't that what chili is? Or am I supposed to specify that it's chili with beans, as chili does not have beans? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Fail that isn't Chili. That is meat sauce. What should I add? Not sarcastic. ETA I mean, isn't that what chili is? Or am I supposed to specify that it's chili with beans, as chili does not have beans? Chili should look more like this thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1919538_Dinner.html Thick, not soupy No tomatoes, or at least vey little Chiles for seasoning Cubed meat, not ground. |
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TacticalGarand44 - Lots of people have opinions on what chili should and shouldn't be. The chili I make is thicker than yours, but not as thick as the way my brother, whose recipe I adapted, likes to make it. While my own variation is my favorite (naturally), I also quite like Steak'n'Shake's chili (from the restaurant, not from the can), which, like yours, is rather like a soup. Mine might seem rather foreign to the average chili-lover, too.
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I made chili for Cola Warrior East this past weekend...lots of chili. About 100 lbs of it. Every last bit got eaten, and pretty damned quick.
It was the budget version of what I normally make, very simple: ground beef beans chili powder Cheyenne pepper canned tomatoes Rotelle mild canned green chilies I'd give you amounts, but as usual, I just eyeballed it. Served it with Fritos, saltines, corn muffins, grated cheese, and jalapenos. The corn muffins were very popular with it. |
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Fail that isn't Chili. That is meat sauce. What should I add? Not sarcastic. ETA I mean, isn't that what chili is? Or am I supposed to specify that it's chili with beans, as chili does not have beans? lol, you stumbled onto one of the great controversies of arfcom, whether chilli has beans or not. That recipe looks pretty good, I make something similar. I'd recommend browning your onion and the ground beef before slow cooking things, but I don't know if that would turn out badly in a slow cooker, I really haven't used those much at all. |
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lol, you stumbled onto one of the great controversies of arfcom, whether chilli has beans or not. That recipe looks pretty good, I make something similar. I'd recommend browning your onion and the ground beef before slow cooking things, but I don't know if that would turn out badly in a slow cooker, I really haven't used those much at all. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Fail that isn't Chili. That is meat sauce. What should I add? Not sarcastic. ETA I mean, isn't that what chili is? Or am I supposed to specify that it's chili with beans, as chili does not have beans? lol, you stumbled onto one of the great controversies of arfcom, whether chilli has beans or not. That recipe looks pretty good, I make something similar. I'd recommend browning your onion and the ground beef before slow cooking things, but I don't know if that would turn out badly in a slow cooker, I really haven't used those much at all. I did cook the beef fully prior to putting in the slow cooker. I will try browning the onions along with it next time. |
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I prefer to use Chili powder, paprika, cumin, salt, and every now and then a bit of cayenne powder for my chili. Two cans of beans, two cans of diced, fire roasted tomatoes, 1lb ground or cubed dee, onion and green pepper. Sometimes even a bit of corn if I want to stretch the pot for a bit longer.
Congrats on your first bowl of chili, it only gets better from here. |
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The base for chili is made of chilies, not tomatoes. Once this is accepted you will be on the proper path for making the dish.
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Your chili sounds good. Saltine cracker are good crumbled up too. Also try fritos crumbled up you might be surprised.
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I prefer to use Chili powder, paprika, cumin, salt, and every now and then a bit of cayenne powder for my chili. Two cans of beans, two cans of diced, fire roasted tomatoes, 1lb ground or cubed dee, onion and green pepper. Sometimes even a bit of corn if I want to stretch the pot for a bit longer. Congrats on your first bowl of chili, it only gets better from here. View Quote Dude, if you like corn in your chili, try hominy instead. Like a big bowl of tamale, it's great. If you have some strange aversion to hominy, just mix a little masa into your chili while it simmers. |
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Blend up dried chiles in beer for the cooking liquid. View Quote I'm also interested in this. While I like my recipe just fine, trying new ways is also good. :) |
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Fail that isn't Chili. That is meat sauce. What should I add? Not sarcastic. ETA I mean, isn't that what chili is? Or am I supposed to specify that it's chili with beans, as chili does not have beans? You did good, OP. You will likely go on to explore many different types of chili, if you are interested in trying new foods. Honestly there aren't a whole lot of moms out there who didn't do what your mom did--cook what she knows and what is easy cuz being a mom is exhausting. I make cowboy chili, which takes longer than yours and is far more trouble. It also has many complex layered flavors, uses many different kind of peppers, and uses chunked beef instead of ground beef. It uses whole or diced tomatoes and not sauce. It's chunky and thick. (original recipe from AR15.com member Hank, amended by me) But when I started out, my chili was a lot like yours, and it was good, too. When I need to make quick chili, it's still a little more complex than your recipe, but it's not too far off. And it's still good. I predict you will end up loving something more involved, as well, as your tastes and cooking interest evolve. That said, the illustration here of "anything done differently than what I do is FAIL" will always be what you get on this forum, even if there were a thousand different "official" labels for chili. "Northern Chili" "Midwest Chili" Northern Midwest Chili" Southern Chili Southeastern Chili Southwestern Chili Hatch Chili SanFrancisco Chili New England Chili Ohio Chili (which doesn't even count as Midwest Chili to me) Great Lakes Chili Cowboy Chili Rocky Mountain Chili The list could go on. Cuz everybody from every region thinks theirs is "real" chili... and it IS. Because the link to having actual chili peppers has been lost to most people. They're all different. Last night, for the first time, I tried brown sugar as a topping for chili. (Was at a party, saw a guy dump a spoon of brown sugar on his chili and went, "wtf" He explained it to me, I tried it, and it was good. I won't do it regularly, cuz I like nice hot chili and the sweet takes away from that, but like good wine, eventually you get bored and want to try new things. Keep going. Try something new each time. Use some advice here--ask for recipes. Glad you love chili. It's awesome. |
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...Cuz everybody from every region thinks theirs is "real" chili... and it IS. *snip* View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Fail that isn't Chili. That is meat sauce. What should I add? Not sarcastic. ETA I mean, isn't that what chili is? Or am I supposed to specify that it's chili with beans, as chili does not have beans? ...Cuz everybody from every region thinks theirs is "real" chili... and it IS. *snip* What are you, some kind of feel-good hippy dippy liberal? Get the fuck out of here with your tolerance. When the Balkanization of USA happens, it won't be about immigration or guns. It'll be about beans in chili. I will live in Chilihasnobeansa. ETA: snip |
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What are you, some kind of feel-good hippy dippy liberal? Get the fuck out of here with your tolerance. When the Balkanization of USA happens, it won't be about immigration or guns. It'll be about beans in chili. I will live in Chilihasnobeansa. ETA: snip View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Fail that isn't Chili. That is meat sauce. What should I add? Not sarcastic. ETA I mean, isn't that what chili is? Or am I supposed to specify that it's chili with beans, as chili does not have beans? ...Cuz everybody from every region thinks theirs is "real" chili... and it IS. *snip* What are you, some kind of feel-good hippy dippy liberal? Get the fuck out of here with your tolerance. When the Balkanization of USA happens, it won't be about immigration or guns. It'll be about beans in chili. I will live in Chilihasnobeansa. ETA: snip You're feeling frisky Out of a bowl, I prefer it with dark red kidney beans and a little wet if eating it with bread. On a dog, just meat with less liquid. |
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Quoted: When you say the base, I am using tomato sauce as the base liquid for the chili. I don't care for a chili with no sauce or liquid. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The base for chili is made of chilies, not tomatoes. Once this is accepted you will be on the proper path for making the dish. When you say the base, I am using tomato sauce as the base liquid for the chili. I don't care for a chili with no sauce or liquid. Read this to get you started. Generally speaking though, I use 5-6 New Mexico or Ancho chilies and about as many Arbols. You can use less or more arbols depending on how spicy you want the dish to be. The chilies get soaked in warm water until soft, at which point they are blended into a paste. From there you can use stock, beer, water, etc to adjust the thickness of the sauce. |
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Sorry OP you gonna get raped by the beans vs no beans crowd.
No beef broth and try to cut down on the liquid as much as possible. It should be thick and hearty not soupy. For the record I like Texas Red (no beans) and normal chili with beans. Try adding some different beans I use black and Kidney and Pinto. A small can of each Sweat your onions with your meat and lay some chili powder and any other spices you listed in there. Play with the recipe each time and find what you like and fuck the haters. BTW the leftovers make awesome nachos. |
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What are you, some kind of feel-good hippy dippy liberal? Get the fuck out of here with your tolerance. When the Balkanization of USA happens, it won't be about immigration or guns. It'll be about beans in chili. I will live in Chilihasnobeansa. ETA: snip View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Fail that isn't Chili. That is meat sauce. What should I add? Not sarcastic. ETA I mean, isn't that what chili is? Or am I supposed to specify that it's chili with beans, as chili does not have beans? ...Cuz everybody from every region thinks theirs is "real" chili... and it IS. *snip* What are you, some kind of feel-good hippy dippy liberal? Get the fuck out of here with your tolerance. When the Balkanization of USA happens, it won't be about immigration or guns. It'll be about beans in chili. I will live in Chilihasnobeansa. ETA: snip I hug trees while eating my Tolerance Chili, watching LOTR and listening to Enya. I will live in New Free Minas Chilith. Begone, Chili Nazi. |
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Read this to get you started. Generally speaking though, I use 5-6 New Mexico or Ancho chilies and about as many Arbols. You can use less or more arbols depending on how spicy you want the dish to be. The chilies get soaked in warm water until soft, at which point they are blended into a paste. From there you can use stock, beer, water, etc to adjust the thickness of the sauce. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The base for chili is made of chilies, not tomatoes. Once this is accepted you will be on the proper path for making the dish. When you say the base, I am using tomato sauce as the base liquid for the chili. I don't care for a chili with no sauce or liquid. Read this to get you started. Generally speaking though, I use 5-6 New Mexico or Ancho chilies and about as many Arbols. You can use less or more arbols depending on how spicy you want the dish to be. The chilies get soaked in warm water until soft, at which point they are blended into a paste. From there you can use stock, beer, water, etc to adjust the thickness of the sauce. Do you think it would work with canned chilis? We can't get NM chilis fresh over here. I love Hatch chilis. |
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Quoted: Do you think it would work with canned chilis? We can't get NM chilis fresh over here. I love Hatch chilis. View Quote I should have said dried chilies (hence the soaking). Which you should be able to order from Amazon or the like. I do like to add a can of Chipolte peppers in adobo sauce, though, which I blend with the other chilies. |
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I should have said dried chilies (hence the soaking). Which you should be able to order from Amazon or the like. I do like to add a can of Chipolte peppers in adobo sauce, though, which I blend with the other chilies. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Do you think it would work with canned chilis? We can't get NM chilis fresh over here. I love Hatch chilis. I should have said dried chilies (hence the soaking). Which you should be able to order from Amazon or the like. I do like to add a can of Chipolte peppers in adobo sauce, though, which I blend with the other chilies. Oooooo! Thank you. Now that you mention dried, I wonder if I could even find those at some of the Mexican food markets. *runs off to find dried chilis* |
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These threads are always honeypots. Ignoring beaners does wonders for improving the quality of conversing on this forum.
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You did good, OP. <snip> I make cowboy chili, which takes longer than yours and is far more trouble. It also has many complex layered flavors, uses many different kind of peppers, and uses chunked beef instead of ground beef. It uses whole or diced tomatoes and not sauce. It's chunky and thick. (original recipe from AR15.com member Hank, amended by me) <snip> Keep going. Try something new each time. Use some advice here--ask for recipes. Glad you love chili. It's awesome. View Quote What is your cowboy recipe? Can you substitute game for the beef? Thanks |
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You did good, OP. <snip> I make cowboy chili, which takes longer than yours and is far more trouble. It also has many complex layered flavors, uses many different kind of peppers, and uses chunked beef instead of ground beef. It uses whole or diced tomatoes and not sauce. It's chunky and thick. (original recipe from AR15.com member Hank, amended by me) <snip> Keep going. Try something new each time. Use some advice here--ask for recipes. Glad you love chili. It's awesome. What is your cowboy recipe? Can you substitute game for the beef? Thanks You could sub in chunked venison I'm sure. I haven't tried that with this recipe because we haven't had venison in a long time but I used to make venison chili all the time. I don't know if I would try "softer" game meat. It needs to hold up to the spices and cooking time. I don't have time to type it out at the moment but I will come back and give the recipe here. |
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You could sub in chunked venison I'm sure. I haven't tried that with this recipe because we haven't had venison in a long time but I used to make venison chili all the time. I don't know if I would try "softer" game meat. It needs to hold up to the spices and cooking time. I don't have time to type it out at the moment but I will come back and give the recipe here. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What is your cowboy recipe? Can you substitute game for the beef? Thanks You could sub in chunked venison I'm sure. I haven't tried that with this recipe because we haven't had venison in a long time but I used to make venison chili all the time. I don't know if I would try "softer" game meat. It needs to hold up to the spices and cooking time. I don't have time to type it out at the moment but I will come back and give the recipe here. I'll bet beaver would make good chili. Rich red meat. I just cooked my 1st beaver a couple of weeks ago, and I'd love to get my hands on some more. |
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You could sub in chunked venison I'm sure. I haven't tried that with this recipe because we haven't had venison in a long time but I used to make venison chili all the time. I don't know if I would try "softer" game meat. It needs to hold up to the spices and cooking time. I don't have time to type it out at the moment but I will come back and give the recipe here. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You did good, OP. <snip> I make cowboy chili, which takes longer than yours and is far more trouble. It also has many complex layered flavors, uses many different kind of peppers, and uses chunked beef instead of ground beef. It uses whole or diced tomatoes and not sauce. It's chunky and thick. (original recipe from AR15.com member Hank, amended by me) <snip> Keep going. Try something new each time. Use some advice here--ask for recipes. Glad you love chili. It's awesome. What is your cowboy recipe? Can you substitute game for the beef? Thanks You could sub in chunked venison I'm sure. I haven't tried that with this recipe because we haven't had venison in a long time but I used to make venison chili all the time. I don't know if I would try "softer" game meat. It needs to hold up to the spices and cooking time. I don't have time to type it out at the moment but I will come back and give the recipe here. I will be waiting! |
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If I need to add liquid to the chili, I just pour in some beer.
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Okay here we go.
I may have made mistakes. First time I've typed this out, and it's REALLY ROUGH. Not in finished recipe form. Ask questions if you're confused. The only thing I absolutely would not add to this chili is any kind of macaroni product. This simmers for a long time. Macaroni would be mush and would ruin this. Hank’s Chili *notes*] This recipe, at its origin, comes from AR15.com member Hank. I’ve changed it quite a bit, but without that recipe, I would never have learned to cook chili like this, so in my world, this is “Hank’s Chili.” It’s put together from a hodgepodge of his bits and pieces of information as I dug it out of him in a thread long ago, far away. I’ve been making it for seven years at least—maybe more like ten--and everybody who has it loves it—(even some native Texans) I don’t have a problem with beans but I don’t put them in this chili. You could if you wanted.—add them about ¾ of the way through. BUT NO MACARONI. It doesn't work with this. You will see the hodgepodged-ness in my notes vs his ingredients and vice versa. However, I’ve made some significant changes over the years. It is still evolving. I’m now experimenting with different kinds of chili powders (Ancho, chipotle, etc). None of those changes are here. Anybody who wants Hank’s original recipe, please ask. I will be glad to post it here, intact, as I transcribed it. Hank’s Chili, ala changes de Kitties Ingredients: *3-4 lb chuck roast cut into ½-1” cubes (just cut up the meat into reasonable human-size bites)..(Hank’s called for 6 lbs English chuck. He lives in a larger city. I never have that available here at a price I’m willing to pay.) *2- Negra Modello (dark Mexican beer—This was Hank’s choice. I’ve substituted all kinds of beer since then, and he’s right. This is the best.) ALSO--YOU HAVE SIX BEERS. Hank's instructions included drinking at least one or two of the other four while you cook this chili. *8 big green jalapenos (at least), seeds removed, chopped. (adjust if your peppers are small.) This is more than he used. I like more heat. I add these RAW because I want that bite, and because sautéing these is too damn painful. *4 Anaheim peppers, chopped (I add these raw) *2-3 green bell peppers, chopped (I use two, cuz I like the ripe peppers better—adjust to taste.) I chop these and sauté them a bit. *2 red bell peppers, chopped—I’ve done these raw and I’ve done them sautéed a bit. Different flavors. Both good. I like sauteed a little better. *4 Poblano peppers, chopped—(I add these raw) (If you like hotter peppers, I would ADD, not substitute, the hotter peppers in this chili. You want the layered flavors, not just heat, so ADD different peppers. Hank’s recipe had NO peppers hotter than jalapenos.) *2 large yellow onions (I chop these and damn near caramelize them.) *Chili powder (I don’t use much of this anymore, but it’s in Hank’s recipe) *Ground Cumin—a bunch *Garlic powder—a bunch (There is not enough fresh garlic in the universe to spice this chili to my liking. And the bitter bite of garlic powder works in this.) *1 head fresh garlic chopped fairly fine (this is my addition) *Cayenne pepper (ground) *Onion Powder—(I don’t love onion powder, but once again, it’s needed to punch up the flavor to the level of LOTS. Could you do it with all fresh? Maybe. I haven’t gotten that far yet in my experiments.) *Smoked paprika (yes, it needs to be smoked.) *Salt to taste <span> CAREFUL WITH THIS--add this a VERY SMALL BIT at a time..saving salt for the last addition.]</span>. (especially if you use chili powder, as a lot of it has salt, plus you’re going to lightly salt the meat—LIGHTLY DAMMIT—as you’re browning.) *Black pepper--It's chili. The bitterness ain't gonna show if you add it too early. *1 lb mild cheddar (plus more for garnish) NOTE: I use way less now that my husband is on a cardiac diet. Like I use 1/4 lb. The chili is still awesome.. USE what’s in your fridge if you’ve got it. I use any kind—mild, medium, or sharp. BUT it NEEDS TO BE CHEDDAR. *44 oz Tomato sauce and/or diced tomatoes(I use about 1/4 sauce because I need the liquid, 3/4 diced tomatoes or whole home-canned tomatoes mashed up cuz I like stuff chunky.) Directions....sort of... STOCK “Stock” is started first— 44 oz tomatoes in mostly chunky form A 12 oz beer (add the second one later, as needed. 3 Tbs garlic powder (I'm liable to add two more by the time this is done.--but DON'T JUMP THE GUN. SLOW COOK AND TASTE THE DAMN CHILI.) 2 Tbs onion powder 2 tsp Cumin (I use probably double this by the end of the process) 2 tsp smoked paprika 1 tsp salt (DO THIS 1/4 TSP AT A TIME over the process of the cooking.) Put all this on to simmer on low. black pepper done to taste (I grind the black pepper fresh and add it very late in the process--but whenever.) MEAT: *Cut the beef into ½-1-inch cubes (this is the time consuming part) and season lightly with garlic powder, salt, and pepper—THIS STEP IS IMPORTANT. DON’T BLOW OFF SEASONING THE MEAT WHILE YOU’RE BROWING IT.) Brown them in a skillet and Drain off the fat. (not in the original recipe, but I hate that fat floating on top of the chili and it adds nothing to the flavor, for me. There’s plenty of fat in this.) *Set the meat aside. Veggies: While this stock is going.. *Finely dice the jalapenos, Anaheims and Poblanos (and any hotter peppers if you’re adding heat) and throw them into the stock. *Saute the onions—I’d do this in a bit of butter if I could. I used to, but now I use EVOO. If you want MY flavor, sauté them til they start to turn a little brown on the edges. When the onions are ready to take off the heat, throw the minced garlic into the onion pan and sauté it until the flavor hits you in the face (this takes about 30 seconds for me), then dump all of that into the stock pot. *Chop the bell peppers (as chunky as you like. I like them fairly chunky) and sauté those next. I get them fairly done because I don’t like overwhelming bell pepper flavor and cooking mellows out the flavor. Dump those in the pot. NOW... *Add the meat to the pot. *Simmer for a couple of hours, minimum. Adjust seasonings after each hour. I usually end up adding about half again on most spices, but sometimes more. When it’s right, this chili knocks you down with flavor in a very good way. *About an hour before meal time, shred the cheese and put it into the pot to melt into the chili. ~~Have more grated cheese on the side for topping ~~Have Sour Cream available on the side(I use plain Greek Yogurt instead), ~~Homemade Guacamole available on side To SERVE: ~~Garnish with more cheese , serve over corn chips or with corn bread. (I like both kinds of cornbread, but my favorite is sweet cornbread, and it’s a great counterpoint to the spicy chili. Haters gonna hate. ) This is thick chili—more like stew—than the “soupy” chili we often see around here. I don’t like soupy chili. ***DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE how much the flavor (and the heat) will develop as this chili simmers. What you taste in the beginning is NOT what you will get in the end, after 3 hours or so. END NOTE: ****HANK USED BACON in his chili, because...bacon. No matter how I do it, I can't keep that from adding too damn much fat floating in the pan, even if I fry the bacon in advance. I hate that, but I also don't think it adds enough to offset the extra fat. PLUS..now the bacon would add even MORE "bad for the man I love" and it's not worth it. We'll save our bacon for special breakfasts and wrapping around jalapeno poppers for special occasions. Honestly, I don't think this chili needs bacon. |
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That's beautiful! Please post your recipe. Yes please! And yours looks awesome too, Kitties. I will attempt a version of that next weekend. |
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That's beautiful! Please post your recipe. Yes please! And yours looks awesome too, Kitties. I will attempt a version of that next weekend. The weekend is a good time to do it. Give youself a LOT of extra time on the first go...for the chopping veggies, but mostly..for cutting up the meat. That takes a surprisingly long time, even for an experienced cook with a really big, sharp knife. |
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View Quote That's the ticket right there. Damn, I know what I'm doing some night this week. |
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That's the ticket right there. Damn, I know what I'm doing some night this week. No you don't. He hasn't posted his recipe. But if you have your own.. I would LOVE to see it..and SERIOUSLY,...I would love to try it. I know it takes time to type it, but I would love to see yours. I'm interested in all the "no tomato" recipes. All these people talk smack about it, but they are not posting their chili recipes. If you post yours, I will try it. |
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