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Posted: 7/29/2012 6:31:16 AM
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Originally Posted By billyhill:
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Originally Posted By SpeechPathJunkie:
Not a food question but...

When I read your post, I read it in the voice of your avatar.


Bjork Bjork Bjork..


Bottomspankin gerfingerflukin....Damn, sleep deprovation is a bitch.

Well I am at least a few weeks from having a functional right arm but, I want you to start thinking about a recipe for tongue, pastrami or otherwise.

Made (with wife and daughter's help) I did the stew a second time. Wife seems to think its one of the better dishes I have made. I added some frozen peas when I reheated it, not a bad addition.

your help is, as always, welcome.


ok,,,less bourbon and pain meds billy and try again....
You made a stew...added peas when you reserviced it...
you want to make Tougue from raw state. make your own pastrami or recipes there of?

help me.!!!

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Hey chef! I want to make homemade corn tortillas and fry them for tostadas. Do I press them, then griddle them, then fry them in grease? Or can I skip the griddle step?

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Hey chef! I want to make homemade corn tortillas and fry them for tostadas. Do I press them, then griddle them, then fry them in grease? Or can I skip the griddle step?

Thanks, e




yes, press them or roll them. there are some easy to make home made pressser you can see on the net, simple 2x2 and a bit of plywood construction
OR, use a rolling pin. either or, flatten the little masa dough ball between wax paper to flatten it..
YES you need to griddle them on a lightly greased flat griddle or large pan. 30sec or so on atleast one side..then allow them to cool a bit, you have to set the dough
before continueing the process..

you can roll, flatten slice and deep fry into chips if you desire though..but for a full tortilla. see above.



Ingredients
2 cups masa harina
1 1/2 to 2 cups water

To make 16-18 tortillas, start with putting 2 cups of masa flour in a large bowl. (Hint: for added "lift" you can mix in 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda.) Add 1 1/2 to 2 cups of very warm water to the masa flour (according to the directions on the package, some brands may call for different amounts of water). Mix in and let sit for 5 minutes or so. Begin working the masa with your hands to make the dough. Work the dough for several minutes. Press the dough with your fingers and the palms of your hands as if you were kneading bread dough. If at any point through the tortilla making process the dough seems too dry or too wet, add a little more water or masa to the dough.

Take a piece of the masa dough and shape it into a ball the size of a plum, or slightly large golf ball. Make about 16-18 balls from the dough.


Take two pieces of wax paper or plastic from a plastic bag and cut them to the shape of the surface of a tortilla press If you have one... Open the tortilla press and lay one piece of wax paper on the press. Place the masa ball in the center. Place another piece of wax paper over the masa ball. Gently close the press and press down, until the dough has spread to a diameter of 6 inches. or do the same using a rolling pin

Heat a griddle or a large skillet on high heat. Working one at a time, hold a tortilla in your hand, carefully removing the wax paper on each side. Allow the tortilla to rest half on your hand, and half hanging down, and gently lay the tortilla down on to the skillet. Start working on pressing the next tortilla. Cook the tortilla on the hot pan for 30 seconds to a minute on each side. or on one side if the tortillia is going to be used for another process, The tortilla should be lightly toasted and little air pockets forming.

hope that helps and Thanks, havent discussed Tortillas

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Posted: 8/11/2012 1:49:16 PM
Ok Chef,
I need a recipe for Lamb Shanks. I was goin to buy some yesterday at the Amish farmer's market, but got a gorgeous pot roast instead (in the oven now). Next time I'm going to get some though.
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Originally Posted By watercat:
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My husband wants a Nutella rum cake. I found a recipe for chocolate rum cake that I will try if I can't find what I want (this one), but none with Nutella. Any suggestions?


I would sub 6oz of Nutella for the chocolate in that recipe and it should turn out fine..
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Thank you - I'll try that. I don't know why that didn't occur to me...




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What a wonderfull example of her baking skills she dropped of to Ol'Chef today at the Lewisville gunshow, I was so shocked I was almost speechless...
(which takes some doin I am told)

A Beautiful, Rich, Deep dark, tasty yummy Nutella Rum Loaf that just melds with a cup of French Roast like they were made for each other

..PLEASE Watercat, post your final recipe for my readers here.
This would be a GREAT Addition to a holiday sideboard!!!
A slice of this, a slice of date bread a slice of applesauce cake,,on the same plate, with a wee bit of Angelica Cream spooned over each
Forkfull by forkfull would help us understand the experiences of Royalty...

THANK YOU so much, and such a pleasure to meet such a fine upstanding gun loving couple!!!!
I cant thank you and your husband enough, my sister and my kids throughly enjoyed it!!

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Posted: 8/12/2012 8:17:47 AM
Originally Posted By Trumpet:
Ok Chef,
I need a recipe for Lamb Shanks. I was goin to buy some yesterday at the Amish farmer's market, but got a gorgeous pot roast instead (in the oven now). Next time I'm going to get some though.


Lamb Shanks
4 tablespoons olive oil
1 pound onions, sliced
5 large shallots, sliced (about 1 cup)
2 tablespoons chopped fresh rosemary or 2 teaspoons dried


6 3/4- to 1-pound lamb shanks
all purpose flour
2 1/2 cups dry red wine
2 1/2 cups canned beef broth
1 1/2 tablespoons tomato paste
2 bay leaves

Potato and Root vegetable mash
3 large russet potatoes (about 2 1/2 pounds), peeled, cut into 2-inch pieces
3 rutabagas (about 1 3/4 pounds), peeled, halved, thinly sliced
6 small parsnips (about 14 ounces), peeled, cut into 1-inch pieces


3 tablespoons olive oil
For lamb shanks:
Heat 2 tablespoons olive oil in heavy large Dutch oven over medium-high heat. Add sliced onions and shallots and sauté until brown, about 20 minutes. Mix in 2 tablespoons chopped rosemary. Remove from heat.

Sprinkle lamb shanks with salt and pepper; coat lamb with flour. Heat remaining 2 tablespoons olive oil in heavy large skillet over high heat. Working in batches, all lamb shanks to skillet and cook until brown on both sides, about 10 minutes per batch. Using tongs, transfer lamb shanks to plate. Add 1 cup dry red wine to same skillet and bring to boil, scraping up any browned bits. Pour into Dutch oven with onion mixture. Add remaining 1 1/2 cups red wine, canned beef broth, tomato paste and 2 bay leaves to dutch oven. Bring to boil, stirring until tomato paste dissolves. Add lamb shanks, turning to coat with liquid.

Bring mixture to boil. Reduce heat, cover and simmer until lamb is almost tender, turning lamb shanks occasionally, about 1 1/2 hours. (Can be prepared 1 day ahead. Cover and refrigerate.)

Uncover Dutch oven and boil until liquid is reduced to sauce consistency, stirring and turning lamb shanks occasionally, about 30 minutes. Season with salt and pepper.

For Mash:
Bring large pot of salted water to boil. Add potatoes, rutabagas and parsnips. Boil until vegetables are tender, about 30 minutes. Drain well.

Return vegetables to same pot. Mash until coarse puree forms. Mix in 3 tablespoons olive oil. Season vegetables to taste with salt and pepper. (Vegetable mash can be prepared 2 hours ahead. Let stand at room temperature. Rewarm over low heat, stirring frequently.) Transfer vegetables to bowl and serve.

Spoon Potato and Root Vegetable Mash onto plates. Top vegetables with lamb shanks and sauce. Sprinkle lamb shanks with additional chopped fresh rosemary and serve.

chef!!
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Posted: 8/12/2012 10:01:37 AM
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Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:

WATERCAT IS THE DEBIL......



What a wonderfull example of her baking skills she dropped of to Ol'Chef today at the Lewisville gunshow, I was so shocked I was almost speechless...
(which takes some doin I am told)

A Beautiful, Rich, Deep dark, tasty yummy Nutella Rum Loaf that just melds with a cup of French Roast like they were made for each other

..PLEASE Watercat, post your final recipe for my readers here.
This would be a GREAT Addition to a holiday sideboard!!!
A slice of this, a slice of date bread a slice of applesauce cake,,on the same plate, with a wee bit of Angelica Cream spooned over each
Forkfull by forkfull would help us understand the experiences of Royalty...

THANK YOU so much, and such a pleasure to meet such a fine upstanding gun loving couple!!!!
I cant thank you and your husband enough, my sister and my kids throughly enjoyed it!!

CHEF


Thank you! I had fun working on finding the right mix of ingredients - I've never done that before! It was also delicious eating the trials.

The final recipe:

Chocolate Nutella Rum Cake


* Notes: the original recipe writer used Goslings Black Rum from Bermuda. I tried using all Bacardi silver, and it came out very strong. I went to Spec's and bought black rum - it came out much better. I had to order the hazelnut extract from Amazon.

Cake:
6 oz Nutella (weigh the Nutella, 6 oz. is NOT 3/4 of a dry cup)
1 stick butter
1 cup black rum
½ cup sugar
½ cup brown sugar
4 eggs
1 tsp. hazelnut extract
1 cup flour
½ tsp. salt
1 tsp. baking soda
½ tsp. baking powder
½ cup cocoa powder

Rum Syrup:
½ stick butter
¼ cup black rum
¼ cup sugar
½ tsp. hazelnut extract
PLUS 1/3 cup more black rum (for a stronger syrup, use ½ cup rum)

Preheat oven to 350*. Butter and flour a large (5 ½” x 10”) loaf pan.

Put the Nutella, butter, and rum in a large bowl and microwave in 30 second intervals, whisking in between, until smooth and melted. Next, whisk in the sugars, followed by the eggs one at a time. Whisk in the hazelnut extract. In another bowl, sift together the flour, salt, baking soda and powder, and cocoa powder. Add half the dry to the wet and mix fully, then add the other half and mix until smooth.

Pour into pan. Bake for 50-60 minutes, until a toothpick poked in the cake comes out clean.

At around 45 minutes baking time, bring the additional butter, ¼ cup rum, sugar, and hazelnut extract to a full boil. Boil, stirring constantly, for 3-4 minutes. Remove from heat and whisk in the remaining 1/3 cup of rum.

Pull the cake from the oven when it's done. Poke holes in the cake with a toothpick, then pour the warm syrup over the cake. Place another loaf pan right-side-up on top of the cake with the bottle of rum in it to weigh it down a little (the purpose is to slightly smoosh the cake). When it is completely cooled, flip the cake out to a serving tray. All the rum syrup should be absorbed.


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Watcat,,THANK YOU!!!


I would look forward to maybe some of my other readers to try the recipe and present pictures
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New question:
Does buttercream frosting need to be refrigerated? I made 2 flavors: chocolate and raspberry, if that makes any difference. A Google search proved inconclusive, with some recipes saying yes and some no.
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New question:
Does buttercream frosting need to be refrigerated? I made 2 flavors: chocolate and raspberry, if that makes any difference. A Google search proved inconclusive, with some recipes saying yes and some no.


cooler than room tempature, but no.though it will last longer if youre saving it for future projects, IT CAN break down when you bring it up to temp

it does set up and hold up longer once on the cake if its cooled between "layering" and less likely to fall apart during display prior to slicing.

IE Frost, cool, vines, cool, flowers, cool, etc..remember when decorating, if you take a hot spatula to cold buttercream, you will seperate it and have a mess to fix
lastly flowers, leaves, figurines, best made from fondent or royal icing.. only use butter cream if your serving within 48 hours..


what are we making???
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Self-serve cupcake bar. My mom is making 2 flavors of cupcakes. I'm providing 3 forms of frosting, and assorted toppings.

We are celebrating 4 different birthdays that occur in August.
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Self-serve cupcake bar. My mom is making 2 flavors of cupcakes. I'm providing 3 forms of frosting, and assorted toppings.

We are celebrating 4 different birthdays that occur in August.


very cool Idea...


thinking IF I do come out of retirement,,I may have to steal it..
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Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
Originally Posted By watercat:
Self-serve cupcake bar. My mom is making 2 flavors of cupcakes. I'm providing 3 forms of frosting, and assorted toppings.

We are celebrating 4 different birthdays that occur in August.


very cool Idea...


thinking IF I do come out of retirement,,I may have to steal it..


Steal away! We've done it 3 times now and it's always a hit.
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I am reading the original thread and have read up to page fifty.

I made the blueberry pie but the crust recipe does not have flour listed so I found one on the net. Would you post your crust recipe please.
I followed the blueberry filling and was most impressed. I want to make it again with your crust. The filling overflowed the pie pan in the oven so
today I bought a 9.5 inch round and deep pie pan. I have played with other recipes and hints you listed.

I have been reading AR15 for years and this thread is the best one I have found. Guns are great but my family has to eat several times
per day and anything I can do to make that interesting and memorable is much appreciated.

Thank you for doing this thread, it means something to me and I am sure many others who may say nothing.
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Originally Posted By VanP:
I am reading the original thread and have read up to page fifty.

I made the blueberry pie but the crust recipe does not have flour listed so I found one on the net. Would you post your crust recipe please.
I followed the blueberry filling and was most impressed. I want to make it again with your crust. The filling overflowed the pie pan in the oven so
today I bought a 9.5 inch round and deep pie pan. I have played with other recipes and hints you listed.

I have been reading AR15 for years and this thread is the best one I have found. Guns are great but my family has to eat several times
per day and anything I can do to make that interesting and memorable is much appreciated.

Thank you for doing this thread, it means something to me and I am sure many others who may say nothing.


wow,,,thank you...two such compliments in a week..IT May go to my head..
I THINK, ,of course I may be "misrememberring"(I learned that from a democrat congressman) I corrected the pie crust recipe further on in that thread,,a plain, whoops on my part..so, lets repost a decent short crust here..

Short Crust.
Ingredients
2 cups (8oz) plain flour
4 level tablespoons shortening
4 level tablespoons butter or margarine
pinch of salt
cold water

instructions.
- Sift the flour and salt into a large mixing bowl.
- Add the lard and the butter and chop it up roughly with a knife.
- With cool fingertips, rub the fat into the flour until the mixture resembles breadcrumbs.
- Add 2 tablespoons of cold water and then, using a knife, mix lightly into a dough.
- Add a little more water if necessary but be careful not to add too much.
- The dough should not be sticky.
- Gently bring the dough into a ball by hand, gathering up any stray bits of dough.
- Leave to rest in the fridge for a couple of hours before using.
- To use, roll lightly with a rolling pin on a lightly floured surface.


This one gives a bit flakier crust
Ingredients
2 cups (8oz) plain flour
pinch of salt
just under 1/2 cup Shortening
just under 1/2 cup butter
1 teaspoon fresh lemon juice
cold water

instructions
- Put the butter and lard onto a plate.
- Mix them together until they are just soft.
- Sift the flour and salt into a large mixing bowl.
- Using cool fingertips rub one quarter of the fat mix into the flour until the mixture looks like breadcrumbs.
- Mix this to a stiff dough with the lemon juice and cold water.
- Roll the pastry out to form an oblong three times greater in length than in width.
- Divide the remaining fat mix into three parts.
- Place evenly one third of the fat in dots on two thirds of the pastry.
- Fold the third of the pastry without any fat on it over the next third and then fold the remaining third over this.
- Gently press the rolling pin down on the sides of the folded pastry.
- Repeat the dotting with fat, folding and rolling twice more, turning the pastry over each time.
- Wrap the pastry in greaseproof paper and leave in the fridge for 45 minutes before using.


hope that helps and very glad to be of service.
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DM99 a question or 2 for ya here.

Recently My wife and I bought a cast iron pan at a estate sale on the bottom it says 8 inch iron skillet. and has the letter H stamped on it too. The thing I am wondering is when we got it. It had obviously been sitting around for a while as it has some rust on it. We also have no idea of when it was seasoned last. Our oven doesn't get very hot so heating in an oven is out as a method. what would you suggest to get this back in good working order?


Also Your thoughts on one thing my wife and I have been doing. We have gotten into the habit of taking baking potatoes and turning them into hash browns and cooking them with butter. I cannot believe how good they taste! what do you think of the very basic way we are making hashbrowns? and have you cooked them like this before?
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DM99 a question or 2 for ya here.

Recently My wife and I bought a cast iron pan at a estate sale on the bottom it says 8 inch iron skillet. and has the letter H stamped on it too. The thing I am wondering is when we got it. It had obviously been sitting around for a while as it has some rust on it. We also have no idea of when it was seasoned last. Our oven doesn't get very hot so heating in an oven is out as a method. what would you suggest to get this back in good working order?


Also Your thoughts on one thing my wife and I have been doing. We have gotten into the habit of taking baking potatoes and turning them into hash browns and cooking them with butter. I cannot believe how good they taste! what do you think of the very basic way we are making hashbrowns? and have you cooked them like this before?

You got a grill? Put some oil on those pans and throw'em on the grill.
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All I have is a small charcoal grill that probably wouldnt get over 450 if I am lucky I think.

Can you also put a light coat of oil on the outside to help prevent rusting? or what else can you do about that?
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All I have is a small charcoal grill that probably wouldnt get over 450 if I am lucky I think.

Can you also put a light coat of oil on the outside to help prevent rusting? or what else can you do about that?



your oven should hit 400degrees or better???? you need a new oven if not..

oven on full temp, 2 hours should bake/dry off any carbon or other leavings that need to come off..

so, fully scrub the pan with steel wool and follow with complete cleanzer scrubbing.
rince fully, place in oven and allow it to bake off whats left IF Need be, allow to cool and take a wire brush to whats stubborn..
THEN bring pan back to about 350, get pan hot and take a rag "soaked" with olive oil and carefully wipe the hot pan,
allow that to bake on for about 1/2 hour, repeat, turn off oven, repeat, leave hot greasy pan in oven and let both cool..
when cooled, remove from oven, wipe again with oil then wipe with paper towel lighly for storage or fry some chicken..

I have a used, VERY Used dutch oven I picked up for $5 at a flea market,,did the above process on a cold saturday morning..pan now resides
in my pantry awaiting use, I did make a beef stew in it the evening of the clean up process..
if you clean your iron with soap and water, dry it and bring it up to heat on your stove top and reoil it, it will last generations.
I have written out the whole process on care and handling in the Tutorial section of the Home and Ranch section of the Outdoors forum..Here


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Thanks DM99 now I understand why I had a hard time finding all that info. Maybe copy that over to here as well?

Any thoughts on those potatoes I mentioned? and this oven (in my opinion) DOES need replacing but unfortunately I am renting from a slumlord.
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DM99 a question or 2 for ya here.



Also Your thoughts on one thing my wife and I have been doing. We have gotten into the habit of taking baking potatoes and turning them into hash browns and cooking them with butter. I cannot believe how good they taste! what do you think of the very basic way we are making hashbrowns? and have you cooked them like this before?





ok,,,I a assuming you're talking LEFT over baked potatoes..
Restaurants serving both breakfast and dinner are notorious in using prebaked potato for hashbrowns the next day..and baked potato soup, baked stuffed/twice baked
potatos, fried potato cubes, saratoga chips, Latke', potato pancakes, LOTS of ways to reservice left over baked potatoes, you're on tract,,spread out your imagination..

takes an hour to bake a potato, and wanting to stay up to customer counts, they're over preped 90% of the time

hope that helps..

thank you!!
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Thanks DM99 now I understand why I had a hard time finding all that info. Maybe copy that over to here as well?

Any thoughts on those potatoes I mentioned? and this oven (in my opinion) DOES need replacing but unfortunately I am renting from a slumlord.





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Acutally nope these aren't left over baked. I usually take them , peel them, shred them with a grater, then straight into a frying pan with butter.
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Acutally nope these aren't left over baked. I usually take them , peel them, shred them with a grater, then straight into a frying pan with butter.




well...thats how fresh Hash browns are made the concept of "bakeing" potatoe have to do with shape and skin thickness, Chefs potatoes or US Number 1 and 2 are
generally odd shaped and medium thick skinned,,bakeing potatoes have thicker skin and it goes on and on from there, yellow, red, purple, fingers, baby, and too many more to mention with out starting a whole produce thread.....I did several recipes for them in one of the questions..Fordguy got tired of updating the table of content and I'm too lazy to do it

check the first thread near the end, if not its running in this one..

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SOCIALISM, COMMUNISM AND FACISM ONLY WORK WHEN THE BOOT HEEL OF THE LEADERSHIP CLASS IS ON THE NECK OF THE WORKING CLASS, PICKING ITS POCKETS FOR THE LEISURE CLASS
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Posted: 8/27/2012 1:40:31 PM
How's this for a throw down challenge.

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