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Posted: 9/15/2015 4:16:14 PM EDT
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I am ashamed . I am ashamed for my beloved state of Tennessee. I can't profess to understand homosexuality. But I do understand that the Bible I was taught from tells me not to judge. That is for God to do and he will do it as he sees fit. I truly believe that some of the Masons that helped put on my degrees may have been homosexual. That would be exactly none of my business. Either way I maintain a profound admiration for those individuals. And I feel indebted to them for what they have done for me. That is really all I have to say about that matter. Other than I intend to pray for all of the parties involved.
ETA. I guess I should pray for myself for having such assumptions to begin with. |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 4:29:49 PM EDT
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And not to be out done, the GM of Georgia has just issued an edict stating you cant be gay and be a Mason
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Posted: 9/15/2015 4:55:57 PM EDT
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This is going to put the fraternity squarely (pun intended) in the cross-hairs. Next there will be legal action, the entire thing will be drug out in the media and we'll get two black eyes.
No good will come of it. And ultimately, I can almost guarantee, that some Grand jurisdictions will loose their recognition from others. Dumb, dumb, dumb. |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 5:16:46 PM EDT
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Dumb, dumb, dumb. That about sums it up. Nothing good will come of this. I don't remember any questions on my sexual preference in the petition, during the investigation or any of the degrees. |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 5:18:55 PM EDT
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Just read Hodapp's article. Are they suspending every unmarried man in the fraternity that is living with a girlfriend?
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Posted: 9/15/2015 5:22:24 PM EDT
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And not to be out done, the GM of Georgia has just issued an edict stating you cant be gay and be a Mason Link to Edict The GM of Georgia has the authority to add to the code on a whim? That's nuts. Our GM has sole authority to interpret the code but changes must go through the legislative process and be voted on by the lodges. |
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Posted: 9/18/2015 9:57:51 PM EDT
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Do you Southern Masonic Jurisdiction Brothers have wording in your ritual or charges, stating that you will obey the laws of your nation? If so, wouldn't banning gay members be breaking the law? |
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Posted: 9/19/2015 8:42:46 AM EDT
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Do you Southern Masonic Jurisdiction Brothers have wording in your ritual or charges, stating that you will obey the laws of your nation? If so, wouldn't banning gay members be breaking the law? I know my state shows up as Tennessee, but my masonic roots are northern jurisdiction (Illinois). I wish I could answer that for you. |
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Posted: 9/19/2015 11:00:18 AM EDT
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That about sums it up. Nothing good will come of this. I don't remember any questions on my sexual preference in the petition, during the investigation or any of the degrees. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dumb, dumb, dumb. That about sums it up. Nothing good will come of this. I don't remember any questions on my sexual preference in the petition, during the investigation or any of the degrees. As I previously posted on a thread that is now locked, the day a sexual preference question appears on my state's petion is the day I will demit. |
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Posted: 9/20/2015 7:19:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you Southern Masonic Jurisdiction Brothers have wording in your ritual or charges, stating that you will obey the laws of your nation? If so, wouldn't banning gay members be breaking the law? |
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Posted: 9/20/2015 7:43:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Send me a letter of good standing from your lodge and I'll do the same. We can do the degree line for line. Not trying to be ugly, just gotta know. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do you Southern Masonic Jurisdiction Brothers have wording in your ritual or charges, stating that you will obey the laws of your nation? If so, wouldn't banning gay members be breaking the law? I cant do our degree line for line with you. First of all that violates the First degree in PA. Remember the part about printing, carving, pasting? Secondly, PA ritual isn't written in its entirety. |
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Posted: 9/20/2015 7:47:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I cant do our degree line for line with you. First of all that violates the First degree in PA. Remember the part about printing, carving, pasting? Secondly, PA ritual isn't written in its entirety. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do you Southern Masonic Jurisdiction Brothers have wording in your ritual or charges, stating that you will obey the laws of your nation? If so, wouldn't banning gay members be breaking the law? First of all that violates the First degree in PA. Remember the part about printing, carving, pasting? Secondly, PA ritual isn't written in its entirety. |
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Posted: 9/20/2015 7:48:57 PM EDT
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We can argue the security of cell communication in another thread. I'm a electronic warfare Marine. Modern cell communication is about as secure as it gets.
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Posted: 9/20/2015 7:55:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We can argue the security of cell communication in another thread. I'm a electronic warfare Marine. Modern cell communication is about as secure as it gets. That's not even an issue. Im just wondering if you guys have wording in your ritual saying you should not violate the laws of your county. Not that I agree, with gay marriage, but if gay marriage is now a law of the USA, wouldn't kicking out a brother for getting married in a (now)legal way, be a violation of your obligation? |
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Posted: 9/20/2015 8:08:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's not even an issue. Im just wondering if you guys have wording in your ritual saying you should not violate the laws of your county. Not that I agree, with gay marriage, but if gay marriage is now a law of the USA, wouldn't kicking out a brother for getting married in a (now)legal way, be a violation of your obligation? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We can argue the security of cell communication in another thread. I'm a electronic warfare Marine. Modern cell communication is about as secure as it gets. Im just wondering if you guys have wording in your ritual saying you should not violate the laws of your county. Not that I agree, with gay marriage, but if gay marriage is now a law of the USA, wouldn't kicking out a brother for getting married in a (now)legal way, be a violation of your obligation? My understanding of my volume of sacred law is up to me. I'm not here to judge, and unless it's a direct violation of Masonic law, Then it's up to the jury for the Masonic trial. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 10:09:45 PM EDT
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Bible in Lodge. Morality.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 10:21:24 PM EDT
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I am ashamed . I am ashamed for my beloved state of Tennessee. I can't profess to understand homosexuality. But I do understand that the Bible I was taught from tells me not to judge. That is for God to do and he will do it as he sees fit. I truly believe that some of the Masons that helped put on my degrees may have been homosexual. That would be exactly none of my business. Either way I maintain a profound admiration for those individuals. And I feel indebted to them for what they have done for me. That is really all I have to say about that matter. Other than I intend to pray for all of the parties involved. ETA. I guess I should pray for myself for having such assumptions to begin with. Not to judge who is going to hell but how can you say that pointing out sinful behavior is judging? But I guess the world does have trouble with calling sin sin these days. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 7:06:29 AM EDT
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All men are the children of God, and I believe that God is kind and loving. As I said, it is for God to judge. I still can't understand, nor do I approve of homosexuality. I mentioned that I believe that some Masons I have met were homosexual. It is wrong for me to judge, or even to assume that someone is a sinner because I think they are effeminate. I have no first hand knowable about the personal lives of the Masons I mentioned. What I do know is they were fine upstanding men every time I shared fellowship with them. It was me that had failed to control my passions when I made assumptions about their sexuality. Therefore I was the one needing to pray for forgiveness for myself. Other than that all men deserve our prayers. And I pray for their well being because It is what they have earned for themselves through their actions and their character. It is up to them to ask forgiveness for any sins they have committed before their God. If God feels their actions were sinfull he will judge accordingly.
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:37:38 PM EDT
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All men are the children of God, and I believe that God is kind and loving. As I said, it is for God to judge. I still can't understand, nor do I approve of homosexuality. I mentioned that I believe that some Masons I have met were homosexual. It is wrong for me to judge, or even to assume that someone is a sinner because I think they are effeminate. I have no first hand knowable about the personal lives of the Masons I mentioned. What I do know is they were fine upstanding men every time I shared fellowship with them. It was me that had failed to control my passions when I made assumptions about their sexuality. Therefore I was the one needing to pray for forgiveness for myself. Other than that all men deserve our prayers. And I pray for their well being because It is what they have earned for themselves through their actions and their character. It is up to them to ask forgiveness for any sins they have committed before their God. If God feels their actions were sinfull he will judge accordingly. Well said, Brother!!! |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 5:32:27 PM EDT
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All men are the children of God, and I believe that God is kind and loving. As I said, it is for God to judge. I still can't understand, nor do I approve of homosexuality. I mentioned that I believe that some Masons I have met were homosexual. It is wrong for me to judge, or even to assume that someone is a sinner because I think they are effeminate. I have no first hand knowable about the personal lives of the Masons I mentioned. What I do know is they were fine upstanding men every time I shared fellowship with them. It was me that had failed to control my passions when I made assumptions about their sexuality. Therefore I was the one needing to pray for forgiveness for myself. Other than that all men deserve our prayers. And I pray for their well being because It is what they have earned for themselves through their actions and their character. It is up to them to ask forgiveness for any sins they have committed before their God. If God feels their actions were sinfull he will judge accordingly. Homosexual behavior is sin. That is fact and not judgment. Judgment is if and how God chooses to punish us for our sin. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 9:52:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Homosexual behavior is sin. That is fact and not judgment. Judgment is if and how God chooses to punish us for our sin. Sin isn't a law and that's what this whole conversation is about. Masonry is about a man and his God, not HighLighters God. Not every man has the same exact strong feelings as you do about how his God may or may not view homosexuality. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:19:25 PM EDT
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Sin isn't a law and that's what this whole conversation is about. Masonry is about a man and his God, not HighLighters God. Not every man has the same exact strong feelings as you do about how his God may or may not view homosexuality. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Homosexual behavior is sin. That is fact and not judgment. Judgment is if and how God chooses to punish us for our sin. Masonry is about a man and his God, not HighLighters God. Not every man has the same exact strong feelings as you do about how his God may or may not view homosexuality. Acts 5:29 |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:23:55 PM EDT
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Good
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Posted: 10/10/2015 12:01:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Acts 5:29 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Homosexual behavior is sin. That is fact and not judgment. Judgment is if and how God chooses to punish us for our sin. Masonry is about a man and his God, not HighLighters God. Not every man has the same exact strong feelings as you do about how his God may or may not view homosexuality. Acts 5:29 |
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Posted: 10/10/2015 2:26:21 AM EDT
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Acts 5:29 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Homosexual behavior is sin. That is fact and not judgment. Judgment is if and how God chooses to punish us for our sin. Masonry is about a man and his God, not HighLighters God. Not every man has the same exact strong feelings as you do about how his God may or may not view homosexuality. Acts 5:29 This is precisely why religion is a taboo topic in Lodge. |
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