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Posted: 3/9/2012 5:46:02 PM
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Many months ago I wrote about how I should approach a brother who had violated his obligation. I appreciate all of your advice. But after whispering good council very loudly and often, several of my brothers filed charges with GL of TX. Our WM was removed. The charges were mostly to do with improperly engineering elections but he did many things that we felt were morally and masonically wrong, including just being a jerk.

Here's what I learned:
Some people just don't understand right from wrong.
Some people are in masonry for the wrong reasons.
Some people have an unhealthy obsession with lodge money
You never know who sees things the way you do.
It's best to handle these things directly and with compassion; you will have no misgivings later.
Stay within the process; the system works.
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Lodge politics suck.

ETA: while the "removal" happened in September, the official charges and notification from GL was last week.
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Posted: 3/9/2012 8:44:53 PM
Like the old saying about an apple.

Hope you get a new WM soon.


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Posted: 3/9/2012 9:20:11 PM
I'm sorry to hear it.
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Posted: 3/12/2012 8:02:24 PM
"lodge politics suck"


Yes they do. Ask me how I know


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we have a problem with a brother right now interfering with our leadership. it's really a pain and something hard to deal with especially when they bad mouth the lodge in other lodges.
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Posted: 3/15/2012 11:37:34 AM
My blue lodge is having somewhat of a 'mutiny' of sorts right now.

The current WM is a past master that's filling in... The SW we had last year decided he couldn't commit the time to being WM this year, so he stepped out of the officer's line-up - hence the vacancy.

The new SW is a good guy, but one of the 'old crowd' of members that's been there over a decade, and finally decided to go through the line.

All the other officers in lodge are newer / younger guys in their early 30's. ONE is the brother who was raised right beside me - a great Brother, and a close friend. The others are newer guys. Quite zealous in their pursuit of further light and delving deep into some of the studies, but a couple of them, I think should've been investigated a tad bit further... Masonry believes that Ignorance, Fanaticism, and Tyranny are things that we should root out and fight.

The problem is, a couple of the new guys are exhibiting signs that they fall into the fanaticism category. Turns out they both read the "Dan Brown" conspiracy crap, and seem to have taken some facets of FICTION novel writings as "TRUTH".

They're seeking a divine transformation of some sort. The Lost Symbol (Dan Brown)... The 46 and 2, etc... They seem to believe with 100% Certainty that the Masonic Knights Templar in York Rite is one in the same with the original historical Order of the Knights Templar (Crusades), etc...

My friend that was raised with me - is a VERY respectable Brother. Always meeting on the level, and squaring his actions. He further pursued the York Rite and went as high as he could. Now there are scheduling conflicts - the York Rite meets on the same day as Blue Lodge... The OLDER past masters (usually the ones sitting in the Religious Section - North) and others in the lodge have outright stated they will not allow these newer, younger officers in the line-up to be officers next year if they pursue the York Rite further. The conflicting schedules of higher degrees of York Rite and Blue Lodge are problematic...

Well, these zealous and somewhat fanatical younger officers (still only Stewards) seem to be a bit delusional talking about 'starting our own Rite' and 'writing up our OWN rituals'!

I'm all for people zealously learning Masonry and our philosophies, history, and principles, but we need some sort of way of vetting candidates to somehow identify conspiracy theorists and fanatics, etc...

Some of the things they're saying have me rolling my eyes.
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Posted: 3/15/2012 3:20:44 PM
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Originally Posted By Bigshot64:
"lodge politics suck"


Yes they do. Ask me how I know


I'm starting to figure this out, & feeling a bit disillusioned by it.
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Posted: 3/15/2012 11:10:18 PM
Originally Posted By Bigshot64:
"lodge politics suck"


Yes they do. Ask me how I know


Let's hear it!

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Posted: 3/16/2012 7:35:30 AM
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Originally Posted By Averagebear:
Originally Posted By Bigshot64:
"lodge politics suck"


Yes they do. Ask me how I know


Let's hear it!



I don't really want to bad mouth him or the lodge itself. I'll just leave it at a faulty voting box.

Glockguywv can back me up on this. A close friend said that if people would have known he was petitioning, they would have driven all the way to my lodge and BLack balled him.


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Posted: 3/16/2012 7:52:46 AM
Originally Posted By YoungFrankenstien856:
Originally Posted By Bigshot64:
"lodge politics suck"


Yes they do. Ask me how I know


I'm starting to figure this out, & feeling a bit disillusioned by it.


don't let it. most of these people like this simply never learned or cared to learn what masonry offers. in many cases they should have never been allowed in the door. after seeing a few myself that the "good ol boy" mentality let in i now take my duty to investigate VERY seriously, even to the point of questioning the committee on a new candidate when their report is given. i will lo longer drop a favorable vote unless i am personally sure they are a proper candidate.
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Posted: 3/16/2012 12:10:40 PM
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
Originally Posted By YoungFrankenstien856:
[quote]Originally Posted By Bigshot64:
"lodge politics suck"


Yes they do. Ask me how I know


I'm starting to figure this out, & feeling a bit disillusioned by it.


don't let it. most of these people like this simply never learned or cared to learn what masonry offers. in many cases they should have never been allowed in the door. after seeing a few myself that the "good ol boy" mentality let in i now take my duty to investigate VERY seriously, even to the point of questioning the committee on a new candidate when their report is given. i will lo longer drop a favorable vote unless i am personally sure they are a proper candidate.[/quote]

It only takes three black balls to reject a candidate. There are three Masons on each investigative committee(in our lodge). These along with personal conversations in the weeks leading up to a vote should weed out the bad candidates. However, it is easy to get lazy when your candidate is recomended by another member of the lodge. Do your Due diligence anyway.

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Posted: 3/29/2012 7:17:39 PM
Had a guy petitioning try to upsell me when he was getting to know us at our dinners on Work night last year. I missed the vote for him, but, he has already stopped attending or working on his EA work shortly after finding out that it was not a place to improve his sales.......I would have blackballed had I been at that vote. Just instinct, I guess.
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I listened to the Texas GM preach about this very thing; there are some bad apples that get in that don't belong here. Lodges are too afraid to turn down petitions, so some real jerks sneak in. One PM from Louisiana was there and he stood up and told the story of finding out that one guy was a child molester. Well, he didn't last long, but how did he get past the investigation?
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