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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:32:16 AM
Think about it like this. More civilian deaths are caused due to 22lr than any other caliber. I think I worded that right.
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darkpaladin1
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Posted: 7/2/2012 9:16:28 AM
Originally Posted By somekindofboogin:
Think about it like this. More civilian deaths are caused due to 22lr than any other caliber. I think I worded that right. .22 rifles are also the most prevelant firearm in the world. If you have 100 guys with 22lrs that give you a kill shot 20% of the time you have 20 kills. If you have 10 guys with .45ACP pistols that give you a kill shot 80% of the time, you have 8 kills. Which weapon is a more efficient killer? Just beacuse something has killed more people doesn't mean it is a better tool, otherwise we would fight wars with .22lr (has been mentioned before). Also, I would like to see someone give me a valid source for the hit to kill ratio for the .22lr. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 2:30:04 PM
I personally wouldn't stand in front of a 22
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Posted: 7/2/2012 2:41:19 PM
[Last Edit: 7/2/2012 2:44:26 PM by darkpaladin1]
I wouldnt want to stand in front of pepper spray or a tazer either. Doesn't mean I consider it a reliable way to kill a zombie.
ETA: If you want to entrust your life to a .22lr round that is perfectly ok. Just realize that it isn't a magic bullet and you will likely have to put several rounds into their skull to have a decent chance of stopping them. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 4:03:11 PM
Originally Posted By darkpaladin1:
Originally Posted By somekindofboogin:
Think about it like this. More civilian deaths are caused due to 22lr than any other caliber. I think I worded that right. .22 rifles are also the most prevelant firearm in the world. If you have 100 guys with 22lrs that give you a kill shot 20% of the time you have 20 kills. If you have 10 guys with .45ACP pistols that give you a kill shot 80% of the time, you have 8 kills. Which weapon is a more efficient killer? Just beacuse something has killed more people doesn't mean it is a better tool, otherwise we would fight wars with .22lr (has been mentioned before). Also, I would like to see someone give me a valid source for the hit to kill ratio for the .22lr. Actually, the most prevalent weapon with ammo in the world is the 5.56x45mm....they don't have a .22lr. In communist countries the legal citizens (as in China) hunt with high powered air rifles, incidentally the high powered air rifles use scuba tank air as propellant and a 9mm slug cane get up to same speed as a .22lr round... The most often used weapon in a homicide in the US is a cheap steak knife......so that blows the .22lr thing out of the water. |
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darkpaladin1
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Posted: 7/2/2012 4:06:28 PM
[Last Edit: 7/2/2012 4:06:52 PM by darkpaladin1]
Originally Posted By GoatHerder:
Originally Posted By darkpaladin1:
Originally Posted By somekindofboogin:
Think about it like this. More civilian deaths are caused due to 22lr than any other caliber. I think I worded that right. .22 rifles are also the most prevelant firearm in the world. If you have 100 guys with 22lrs that give you a kill shot 20% of the time you have 20 kills. If you have 10 guys with .45ACP pistols that give you a kill shot 80% of the time, you have 8 kills. Which weapon is a more efficient killer? Just beacuse something has killed more people doesn't mean it is a better tool, otherwise we would fight wars with .22lr (has been mentioned before). Also, I would like to see someone give me a valid source for the hit to kill ratio for the .22lr. Actually, the most prevalent weapon with ammo in the world is the 5.56x45mm....they don't have a .22lr. In communist countries the legal citizens (as in China) hunt with high powered air rifles, incidentally the high powered air rifles use scuba tank air as propellant and a 9mm slug cane get up to same speed as a .22lr round... The most often used weapon in a homicide in the US is a cheap steak knife......so that blows the .22lr thing out of the water. Hmmmm... I change my statement. If the Zpoc ever happened... I'm carrying a backpack full of steak knives. 
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Posted: 7/2/2012 4:31:50 PM
I honestly don't know why a lot of you are bashing the .22lr as a viable zed killer. If its under 50m I can guarantee one shot to the brain pan will do it. We had a case of self defense where I was working at the time where a man was coming over a fence with a 12ga and intending to kill his neighbor's barking dog. The owner of the house shot him in the head with a .22lr as he hit the ground coming over the fence and it dropped him dead... Cold as haagendaaz. The cause of death was a .22 caliber bullet ricocheting thru his brain 7 times after entry into the head. With that being said, IMHO, 22lr will get the job done.
Myself I still stand by my previous statement of 7.62 Tokarev as a zed killer and close in man stopper. If I have to fight over 100m, then I can switch my upper to the 5.56 and start slaying my fellow looters. And if you're worried about his buddies coming... Like its been stated already, a suppressed .22lr cant be head worth a crap 100m away. Unless you're planning to take on the city of NY's horde, I think you'll be ok. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 10:46:33 PM
I train with my AR and Glock the most, so those. My .22 conversion is not reliable enough for the ZPOC. You don't rise to the level of your expectation you fall to the level of your training.
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Posted: 7/6/2012 1:06:36 AM
5.56 or 5.45
without knowing what part of the zombie brain is key to its ability to eat me I would rather focus on doing massive damage to pretty much everything in the cranial cavity  |
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Posted: 7/6/2012 1:12:22 AM
[Last Edit: 7/6/2012 1:14:14 AM by Blackwind]
Originally Posted By Ndenway:
22lr Originally Posted By fxntime:
5.56 because I can also use a .22 conversion unit in an AR and carry several bricks of .22 ammo at a considerable weight savings and also use it suppressed for extremely quiet shooting. Good point. |
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Posted: 7/22/2012 7:19:47 AM
Everyone will be scrambling for the 5.56 and 7.62x39. I'm going with 7.62x51. I know its capabilities well, know I can carry 5-600 rounds, and it is stocked pretty deep in military bases.
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Posted: 7/22/2012 11:20:46 AM
7.62x54r would be my first choice after the mandatory 12 gauge and .22 lr
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Posted: 8/6/2012 6:36:48 PM
5.45x39 = cheap, stopping power, lightweight, and reliable.
The turnoff to 22LR is just the reliability to it and to some the stopping power |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 9:05:15 AM
5.56/.223 or 5.45
I want something more than .22lr |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 2:57:01 PM
Originally Posted By mr50mag:
5.7x28 Light weight, reliable, lethal. FiveseveN pistol-Accurate, 20-30 rd high cap mags, low recoil P90 carbine-Accuate, 50 rd high cap mag, low recoil, maneuverable and light enough for women and children. This if you have many mags....Mine are slow to load for the AR57 but it kicks ass!  |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:06:59 PM
The 7.62x25mm pistol cartridge has alot going for it. High velocity, yet small and light compared to other pistol cartridges. If a manufacturer would produce a semi-auto carbine chambered in this cartridge then it would be ideal.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 10:50:43 PM
Originally Posted By GoatHerder:
Originally Posted By darkpaladin1:
Originally Posted By somekindofboogin:
Think about it like this. More civilian deaths are caused due to 22lr than any other caliber. I think I worded that right. .22 rifles are also the most prevelant firearm in the world. If you have 100 guys with 22lrs that give you a kill shot 20% of the time you have 20 kills. If you have 10 guys with .45ACP pistols that give you a kill shot 80% of the time, you have 8 kills. Which weapon is a more efficient killer? Just beacuse something has killed more people doesn't mean it is a better tool, otherwise we would fight wars with .22lr (has been mentioned before). Also, I would like to see someone give me a valid source for the hit to kill ratio for the .22lr. Actually, the most prevalent weapon with ammo in the world is the 5.56x45mm....they don't have a .22lr. In communist countries the legal citizens (as in China) hunt with high powered air rifles, incidentally the high powered air rifles use scuba tank air as propellant and a 9mm slug cane get up to same speed as a .22lr round... The most often used weapon in a homicide in the US is a cheap steak knife......so that blows the .22lr thing out of the water. I dunno....saw lots of .22s in Asia and Russia! I see it as a tool, you put it in the tool box, and use it where it's appropriate. If I need to drop roamers around my perimeter without drawing attention, and I can get close (50ft), I'm using my .22, saving my 5.56mm for when I need it!!! If I'm gonna be steppin out on the town, you damn well better believe I'm taking my AR in 5.56mm. But I agree, a 7.62x25 Tokarev AR upper would be amazing for short range! and ammo would be soooooo cheap! Remember, it's all about the logistics! I'd love to use 5.7mm or HK 4.7mm Caseless in my G11, but I just don't happen to have a G11 much less a couple palletts of 4.7mm! So, whats gonna be lying around in Alabama? Besides .270 and 12GA you assholes! All the cops and Guard are gonna have 5.56mm, so my best chance of resupply, is 5.56mm!! Once again...it's a tool, use it appropriately! Just because you can hammer in a nail with a crescent wrench, doesn't make it the most appropriate tool for the job!!!! But thats just my 2 Pesos! |
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Posted: 8/12/2012 4:32:46 PM
Originally Posted By somekindofboogin:
Think about it like this. More civilian deaths are caused due to 22lr than any other caliber. I think I worded that right. Heart disease is the number one killer of Americans, so by your logic I should stock up on cheeseburgers and pork rinds? |
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Posted: 8/12/2012 11:41:52 PM
Suppressed 300 BLK! Subsonic of course. Have you heard it? No, you haven't, because it's that quiet!
Shot it this weekend and was very impressed. |
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Posted: 8/17/2012 11:33:25 AM
so by your logic I should stock up on cheeseburgers and pork rinds?
Yes! 
I'll stick with 7.62x39 and 9mm. Why? Most of my weapons are chambered in it and I have a few boxes of it. Who cares what everyone else uses? Use what you think will get the job done. |
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Posted: 8/22/2012 3:17:04 PM
ar15 with a can.. I cant buy into the .22lr thing. Its kind of like sitting on the toilet and just farting, same sound, same smell small ripple in the water. You need a much bigger bang to create waves.
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Posted: 8/25/2012 11:59:30 PM
Originally Posted By mr50mag:
5.7x28 Light weight, reliable, lethal. FiveseveN pistol-Accurate, 20-30 rd high cap mags, low recoil P90 carbine-Accuate, 50 rd high cap mag, low recoil, maneuverable and light enough for women and children. This. If the ammo was more readily available. |
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Posted: 8/26/2012 12:59:23 AM
Originally Posted By 10mmPatriot:
Originally Posted By airgunner:
I agree the .22LR would be best for the reasons stated + if you suppress one, they make almost zero noise. Perfect for taking out zombies without attracting others Agreed. Most folks seem to forget that staying out of sight, staying quiet, and escape/evasion should be the primary concerns. If all you have is .22 Long Rifle, you can make it work if the aforementioned concerns are always on your agenda. That is why I'm switching over to 300blk as my primary. I have a 10/22 takedown that I could carry as a backup with 500 rounds. problem with the Rugers is that while the ammo is cheap, the mags are expensive and a pain in the ass compared to 30 round thermolds for $5 a piece. The Blackout can be as powerful as a AK and or as quiet as an MP5. At Zombie range a 30 cal Barnes would blow the back of it's head off. |
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Posted: 8/26/2012 8:00:31 AM
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22lr wouldn't help you much if the zombies were 28 days later ragers, I am Legend zombies, etc. If they are the slow mindless zombies from the Walking Dead or something, then sure.
If you are going to use a 22 rifle, don't use a semi-auto, use a good bolt action rifle. I love my ruger 10/22 but the mags are finicky and the damn thing will have a FTE or some other issue every 30-40 rounds even with cleaning and maintenance. |
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Posted: 8/26/2012 4:24:47 PM
Gotta go with the 5.56 as front runner with 9mm side arm. I'm not gonna be thinking about saving a few bucks, I'm gonna be thinking about saving mine & family's life. Throwing knives & tomahawks will also be carried.
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