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I live in a state that prevents short barrels and suppressors but if I could I'd have both. Entering and exiting vehicles is problematic. The more compact a weapon the easier it is to pull off smoothly, um, you also need a good sling. I'd probably run an EOTech that I could co-witness iron sites through should batteries or whatever happen to the sight. And yep, I'd have a light. I've carried the very rifle I've described in my duties as a LEO. It can be high noon outside, but if I'm inside searching the basement, it's dark. And yep, the bad guy already knows I'm coming and can hear me. Sucks, but is fact. Oh, and this is just MY opinion. Your mileage may vary.

You'd be surprised at the utility of such things in a SHTF event...

Gotta protect all that food and water somehow.

+100000



To share my story to reinforce your point,

My first big MOUT training event we had a "Company(-) vs. the Senior Instructor" night as a example of "worst case scenario" a well equipped enemy who knows the area.



He had NVG's, a bag full of smoke, and a combat load of blanks.



We had a full company hunting him in the giant MOUT town on Pendleton. With nothing but rifles and blanks, no NVG's, no lights (it was mid 2001, so it was the style of the day).



It took us 4+ hours, and almost 50% casualties to root him out.



ONE guy was able to wipe 50+ Marines by having the technological advantage, even without much of a "home field" advantage as many of us at the time where fresh out of SOI and had been at the facility before.

you missed my point..all those things would be great in military/leo/whatever...but as a civilian, you got a better chance winning the lottery then having to worry about guys with NVG coming to steal your water... those thousands of dollars could be spent securing your house instead, which would be much more useful..but like i said, if you wanna buy it buy it, no doubt all that stuff is fun....but if you think you and some guy are going to be dueling it out with night vision and suppressors well..

No need to stock food and water deep in a real bad shtf day if you have NV silencers IR lasers etc. Just sneak up at night and steal from those that don't have the technology advantage

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I get the KISS sentiment...it makes sense to an extent and I do feel there's a place for a rifle sans vfg's, optics, lights, lasers etc. Light weight, simple and all that other good stuff.

I also believe that if you choose to add an optic, rds, light etc. that one should be well versed in their strengths and weaknesses. It's that simple.

KISS rifle? Train with it and become as familiar as you can with it and know when and where you should employ it to maximize your advantages.

EOI (everything on it) rifle? Train with it and become as familiar as you can with it and know when and where you should employ it to maximize your advantages.

Me personally, I practice with my rifles with iron's only, with iron's and a light, with iron's a light and a vfg, then I add an optic and do it all over again. Aside from being fun to practice with, these weapons are what I intend to make use of should I ever need to in whatever, if any, kind of shtf event should befall me and necessitate a weapon. Thus I need to be proficient in everything from shooting with irons only to using a weapon mounted light as a third hand aiding in scouting a dark area or avoiding accidents to using my acog for ranging targets or potential targets. Fact is anything you bolt to a rifle can fail, as can the rifle itself. Get what you want, train with it, then rock on with yo' bad self.

Trying to state that there is a right or wrong answer is laughable to me.

I'm not mil/le so the training I get is either on my own or something I pay for. I try to learn and improve my skills and knowledge because it may someday give me an advantage I need...simply learning to shoot is not enough. A light, optic, rds or whatever, if properly employed may also someday give me an advantage I need.

As far as zombie shtf I feel that if you're relying on your decked out rifle to carry the day and haven't given any investment to other preps like food, water, shelter etc. you won't last long.

Well, yea!

Keep it simple. Your armor should be made from used car parts.

Nobody will ever have use for armor anyway, you should just buy more mac n cheese.






Wait...wut? somebody actually bought BOTH? Food preps AND useless tactical accessories that you will never need?!?

Get the fuck out of here. I was beginning to think I was wierd.

So we know who wears the pants in that relationship. And pics of wife are needed. You know the rules. [j/k]


-SS

One of my several non-KISS setups that I will never use.




KISS depending on who you talk to, although it's getting an eotech in a week or so.

ArmedSuspect <<<< This guys wife for the win!