Originally Posted By spectre04:
The fact we simply must accept is this: Opinions are like assholes...everyone's got one. Let's please be respectful of these opinions.
My iteration of the topic at hand may differ greatly from yours, and that's OK as there is no "right" answer. If you feel the need to run 4lbs of gear on your stick, just have a plan to actually use the added features. My M4 wore: Eotech, PEQ/DBAL, M900 or other light, Garmin (on stock), shaved A2 grip with 100mph'd bolt inside, a 203, and a Gemtech (yes, they were available to us). If I could have taken all but the can and eotech off, it'd have been done without hesitation. Our missions required night op capability and other fun -here having the meaning of heavy- add ons.
Upon transition into civilian mode, I'm not going to have an EP-3, spooky, or other FLIR-equipped air element to assist me with finding a deer (or dog) to make a meal of.
The subject of a white light is obviously an important one. I do not, however, have one on the proverbial "shtf" gun. Batteries are a bitch, plain and simple. I traded a two-pack of AA's for ten gallons of fresh water to a columbian kid. Six guys trying to make exfil didn't have time to collect rain water, and we'd rather not shoot the locals. The kid acted like it was christmas, and we didn't have anyone pass out.

I have done the unthinkable and digressed from OP by recalling times past.

If folks think that we're going to actually survive a nuke orgy, polar shift, or attack of the killer purple sex toys, AND do so for the long haul, they shouldn't be concerned with electronics. There are so many levels of "SHTF" it's literally impossible to please the masses with a singular kit design. The only true answer is to train your ass off with the basic platform so that you're "prepped" should your accessories fail...and they WILL fail over time. If they don't work, they'll make for one hell of a blanket party on the baddies.

Originally Posted By spectre04:
The fact we simply must accept is this: Opinions are like assholes...everyone's got one. Let's please be respectful of these opinions.
My iteration of the topic at hand may differ greatly from yours, and that's OK as there is no "right" answer. If you feel the need to run 4lbs of gear on your stick, just have a plan to actually use the added features. My M4 wore: Eotech, PEQ/DBAL, M900 or other light, Garmin (on stock), shaved A2 grip with 100mph'd bolt inside, a 203, and a Gemtech (yes, they were available to us). If I could have taken all but the can and eotech off, it'd have been done without hesitation. Our missions required night op capability and other fun -here having the meaning of heavy- add ons.
Upon transition into civilian mode, I'm not going to have an EP-3, spooky, or other FLIR-equipped air element to assist me with finding a deer (or dog) to make a meal of.
The subject of a white light is obviously an important one. I do not, however, have one on the proverbial "shtf" gun. Batteries are a bitch, plain and simple. I traded a two-pack of AA's for ten gallons of fresh water to a columbian kid. Six guys trying to make exfil didn't have time to collect rain water, and we'd rather not shoot the locals. The kid acted like it was christmas, and we didn't have anyone pass out.

I have done the unthinkable and digressed from OP by recalling times past.

If folks think that we're going to actually survive a nuke orgy, polar shift, or attack of the killer purple sex toys, AND do so for the long haul, they shouldn't be concerned with electronics. There are so many levels of "SHTF" it's literally impossible to please the masses with a singular kit design. The only true answer is to train your ass off with the basic platform so that you're "prepped" should your accessories fail...and they WILL fail over time. If they don't work, they'll make for one hell of a blanket party on the baddies.

Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7:
Didnt everyone watch the last episode of the walking dead?


Gunshots attract zombies, while i do agree you must have a good SHTF gun, a bow and other silent weapons are equaly important

Free

Originally Posted By danc46:


I don't know about that. But a lot of them sure have a lot of stuff hanging on their ARs.

Originally Posted By danc46:


A real bad ass puts nothing but a bayonet on his AR and leaves the magazines and ammo at home.

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Damn it!

How did I miss this thread?

we got some real badasses in here.

Originally Posted By daemon734:
Some silliness going on in here.

You don't want a light, don't put one on your weapon. I've spent almost three years fighting overseas and I will always mount a light.

Good luck searching for boobytraps without one. Or, you can just stick it in your mouth and hope you don't have to speak, run , or turn it on/off in a hurry.

Don't want an optic? Don't use one, but understand you will be at a serious disadvantage to someone who does. My ACOG always served me well both during contact and outside of it as a quick and easy recon platform.


You want to "keep it kiss"? Pick up a stock 10/22 and hope for the best. I prefer any advantage I can get.


Here's a clue to some of the psuedo-experts in this thread.

99% of the advantage of a light on a weapon is not during an active firefight.

In case some of you don't know, there are many other considerations to prepare for in the event you have to carry a weapon for defense or offense.

If I did not have a light on my weapon I would have lost my legs or life a dozen times over at this point. I would have fallen through destroyed floors, stepped on landmines, pulled tripwires, gotten bitten by snakes, kicked UXO, etc.

Or...I could have done even worse and could have shot that seated ten year old girl that looked like just a silhouette with shiny eyes through my nods a couple years back.

Some of you knuckleheads need to either start thinking outside the box or just STFU and learn before you speak.