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Posted: 12/18/2011 9:53:57 PM
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die-tryin
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Posted: 12/18/2011 9:56:04 PM
U realize 99% of the statics you read about or hear about are made up, right?
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Posted: 12/18/2011 10:01:35 PM
I am sure a certain percentage do come back as legal gun purchases in the US... If you consider "legal" as being the cartels paying people to purchase them and smuggle them back to Mexico.
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Posted: 12/18/2011 11:57:02 PM
I'd bet that most of them were stolen at some point, sold on the street, and never recovered until the murder.
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Posted: 12/19/2011 10:32:07 AM
Originally Posted By ZW17:
I am sure a certain percentage do come back as legal gun purchases in the US... If you consider "legal" as being the cartels paying people to purchase them and smuggle them back to Mexico. I have no doubt this happens but 90% is an obvious lie to put the idea that these firearms should not be available to the public in the heads of people who dont know any better. They can get more quantities of better weapons elsewhere, probably cheaper and easier on top of it. They also made it a point to show all the evil black rifles and ak's readily available at gun shows. |
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Posted: 12/19/2011 10:36:56 AM
How would they know that unless they keep records on all gun purchases?
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Posted: 12/19/2011 10:02:01 PM
I think it is 90% of those that CAN be traced since they don't/can't keep records down there.
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Posted: 2/4/2012 10:11:07 PM
90% of the guns confiscated that were "Made in the USA" can be traced to sales here. The Paki AK's, the Chinese, they don't try to "trace". Lotsa guns there from Uncle Sam that were sold to Mexican military/police, that deserted when their owners did. A lie is a lie is a lie.
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Posted: 2/19/2012 4:26:18 PM
Every GD statistic that comes out of their freaking mouths are spontaneous, self saving lies in the first place. But I wasn't aware of Colt (Smith & Wesson, Springfield, etc.) having any manufacturing facilities anywhere in Mexico? Or anywhere else in south of the border. And as much blatant importation of drug manufacturing chemicals, let alone finished product, as they do with Korea, China and Southeast Asia, I'm POSITIVE they can get way better wholesale prices without any fictitious documentation for AK's to invade Arizona, which I'm all but positive President Obama has no intention of defending. He's too busy litigating against them for menacing him by attempting to enforce the laws that HE, head of the Executive Branch of this "Government," openly he admits to ignoring. In fact, encouraging their violation!
But he TOOK an oath, ya know? |
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StagArmslower
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Posted: 4/29/2012 8:26:34 PM
Originally Posted By m_seitz_24: Watching some show on cnbc about drug wars in mexico. They were interviewing some law enforcement big shot, homeland security i think. He threw out the statistic that somewhere around 90 percent of guns recovered in murders could be traced back to legal purchases in the us. Really??? That doesnt even make a little sense. So the cartels are buying semi automatic weapons, one or two at a time, and paying prices they could probably get a crate full of full auto ak's for? They still will try to use it to curb ownership of weapons in the US |
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Posted: 4/29/2012 9:23:46 PM
Disgraced Attorney General Holder is about to be charged with "contempt of Congress.
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HSimpson
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Posted: 5/16/2012 11:10:21 AM
[Last Edit: 5/16/2012 11:11:04 AM by HSimpson]
Originally Posted By resteva:
Disgraced Attorney General Holder is about to be charged with "contempt of Congress. It's a shame he hasn't been charged with treason, sedition or maybe conspiracy to commit murder. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:05:41 PM
It's all in the wording 90+%of all guns in the U.S. were at one time sold legally ( then stolen, lost, ect... )
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Posted: 7/1/2012 7:40:53 PM
Originally Posted By m_seitz_24:
Watching some show on cnbc about drug wars in mexico. They were interviewing some law enforcement big shot, homeland security i think. He threw out the statistic that somewhere around 90 percent of guns recovered in murders could be traced back to legal purchases in the us. Really??? That doesnt even make a little sense. So the cartels are buying semi automatic weapons, one or two at a time, and paying prices they could probably get a crate full of full auto ak's for? Fast and Furious firearms were legal purchases if you listen to the BATF and DOJ. The rest of America knows that idiotic scheme was an illegal scam that violated international law. So when will Obama say they "acted stupidly?" |
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Posted: 7/7/2012 6:29:16 PM
This belongs in P&A.
Since it is here, let me say that by now most skeptical individuals see that Holder as well as Obama have been obfuscating the truth in order to shield the WH from scrutiny. I believe F&F originated at the WH. Anyone remember Obama's quote "under the radar"? What do you suppose he meant by that? |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 5:23:03 AM
Forgive my ignorance but does thos relate directly to Iran-Contra that the dems were so hot about?
I guess it doesn't work both ways? I have to admit I don't understand (yes I need to investigate) much of Iran-Contra but I KNOW Holder is a bad seed and he works in fertile soil with all the BS the current admin has available in the WH. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 3:51:22 PM
Originally Posted By FED-up:
Every GD statistic that comes out of their freaking mouths are spontaneous, self saving lies in the first place. But I wasn't aware of Colt (Smith & Wesson, Springfield, etc.) having any manufacturing facilities anywhere in Mexico? Or anywhere else in south of the border. And as much blatant importation of drug manufacturing chemicals, let alone finished product, as they do with Korea, China and Southeast Asia, I'm POSITIVE they can get way better wholesale prices without any fictitious documentation for AK's to invade Arizona, which I'm all but positive President Obama has no intention of defending. He's too busy litigating against them for menacing him by attempting to enforce the laws that HE, head of the Executive Branch of this "Government," openly he admits to ignoring. In fact, encouraging their violation! But he TOOK an oath, ya know? I would love for them to do an inventory of all Foreign Direct Sales (FDS) guns and see how many are missing or otherwise unaccounted for. These would include semi- and select-fire guns. |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 5:39:45 PM
Great stuff. It exposes some obvious lies and spin. We simply cannot listen to any politician on what is going on either way. They must really love that so many people do not know the difference between auto and semi auto. The general public has no clue and they are being misled.
We need to speak out on forums with friends , yes even facebook, letters to the editor, etc. to let our rights and the fact that politicians and activists are cheati8ng Americans out of their rights. Everybody must understand that taking gun rights from gun enthusiasts is as harmful to the same "Everybody" as taking away the right to vote, speak freely, to gather as a group, SOMETHING that they hold dear. Where are we going and what are we doing in this hand-basket? Originally Posted By shooter_tx:
Originally Posted By m_seitz_24:
Watching some show on cnbc about drug wars in mexico. They were interviewing some law enforcement big shot, homeland security i think. He threw out the statistic that somewhere around 90 percent of guns recovered in murders could be traced back to legal purchases in the us. Really??? That doesnt even make a little sense. So the cartels are buying semi automatic weapons, one or two at a time, and paying prices they could probably get a crate full of full auto ak's for? I know it's a lot of reading, but here's everything you ever wanted to know about this, and more: http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2011/02/playing-percentages.html http://www.examiner.com/article/do-90-of-mexican-crime-guns-come-from-u-s (03/30/2009) http://www.examiner.com/article/are-80-of-seized-mexican-crime-guns-coming-from-the-u-s (10/02/2010) http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mexico-arms-race15-2009mar15,0,229992.story (03/15/2009) http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/03/26/kennedy.townsend.guns/index.html (03/26/2009; claims 95-100%) http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/10/sipsey-street-exclusive-in-at-beginning_07.html http://www.examiner.com/article/mexican-warehouse-exposes-gun-grabber-cartel-lies (03/07/2009) http://www.examiner.com/article/we-re-being-lied-to-about-u-s-guns-and-mexican-cartels-why (04/01/2009) http://www.examiner.com/article/why-does-homeland-security-s-gun-smuggling-report-mislead-law-enforcement (04/15/2009) http://www.examiner.com/article/exposing-lies-about-u-s-guns-and-mexican-crime (04/03/2009) http://www.examiner.com/article/why-the-silence-on-what-percentage-of-mexican-crime-guns-are-traced (10/05/2010) http://daysofourtrailers.blogspot.com/2010/10/more-anti-math.html (10/01/2010) http://www.examiner.com/article/the-continued-retreat-from-the-90-claim-regarding-u-s-guns-mexico (07/08/2009) http://www.examiner.com/article/mexican-drug-cartels-do-not-need-u-s-gun-shops-order-to-arm-themselves (04/01/2009) http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110209-mexicos-gun-supply-and-90-percent-myth By the time you get through this list, you'll know more about "the 90% myth" than most gun owners, and probably 99.99999% of of the antis. |
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SnakeDoctor_IV
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Posted: 9/11/2012 10:45:38 PM
If anyone else can find a pic of it, please post it up. I have looked and failed. American Rifleman magazine did an article on this long before the Fast & Furious deal. In the article they talked about how the politicians were saying how all these horrific guns in this picture were bought here in the states by John Q Citizen at local gun shops. Whats funny is when you look in the picture, what you see is RPG's, LAWS Rockets, M249 type heavy suppressive MG's, Frags and I think there was even a Claymore.... and lots of other hardware that we all know you can't go to the store and buy as John Q Citizen. I think they threw in a FNH Five Seven and a random double action stainless steel revolver and a few Glocks to make it seem "Legit". It was just ridiculous.
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Posted: 9/12/2012 8:12:04 AM
Ask them if 90% of the fragmentation grenades recovered there are from US sporting goods stores.... |
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