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Posted: 7/25/2012 9:27:59 PM

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We have been looking around at them some. We have a English mastiff right now. Good dog just way to laid back. Looking to add a dog that is more alert to the house. Looking for something with a short coat. If you have one how do you like them? Looking for something with more enegry but can be wll behaved and relax in the house. Dont want a spaz

Thanks for any info on this breed.

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Posted: 7/25/2012 11:00:39 PM
I grew up with dobermans from when i was born up untill i was 13, i dont know too much about them except i used to try to ride them and they did like me.
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Posted: 7/25/2012 11:24:42 PM
Here is a cute video!

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I have had a couple of Dobermans, and love them. Dobermans are very alert, fearless (except the occasional thunder storm might drive them into a closet) and intelligent. They are a high energy dog and will require a LOT of attention and exercise, they are known as velcro dogs because they love to stick to the side of their owner. Among other pets in the house they absolutely love being the boss and the center of attention and contrary to popular belief they are very friendly who want nothing more than to please their owners. They are not the type of dog you can stick out in your yard and forget about and never give any attention to, they will require a strong leader to give them direction otherwise the doberman will assume the leadership role itself and this is where problems can occur because if it thinks it's the leader then why should it take direction from you. They tend to bond with one person in the family, that person would most likely be the leader of the family, but its possible that it isn't. They are really just a 70lb lap dog and they will jump in your lap if you let them.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 7:53:05 PM
Originally Posted By stuckincal:
We have been looking around at them some. We have a English mastiff right now. Good dog just way to laid back. Looking to add a dog that is more alert to the house. Looking for something with a short coat. If you have one how do you like them? Looking for something with more enegry but can be wll behaved and relax in the house. Dont want a spaz

Thanks for any info on this breed.

Stuck


I have 2 currently and they are great. Like big black remote controls...

Very easy to keep clean, VERY smart, protective, obedient...

I had mine at work with me the other day and a would be criminal was peeking into our shop from the rear loading dock. No doubt this fool would have came on in and stole some stuff if he had not been discovered back there. One of my girls was resting about 20ft from the loading dock and saw as soon as his head popped up. She IMMIDEATELY took off for him barking and growling the entire way - Other Doberman heard all this and came to join the fun from the other side of the shop...
The fool nearly crapped his pants. I let the idiot know that he had NO business being back there and that he needed to leave before I told the dogs that it was ok to jump down off the dock and say 'hello' to him. He left and I seriously doubt he will be back.

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Posted: 7/26/2012 8:02:45 PM
Originally Posted By NimmerMehr:
Here is a cute video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UZtUOHK-K0


THAT is not a confident dog there. Likely ruined by the owner... Poor dog does not get to do what he was BORN and BRED to do because the owners are idiots...

A properly raised and trained Doberman is not going to back up like that dog did...
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Posted: 7/26/2012 8:53:48 PM
IMHO they are by far one of the best breeds, and are perfect for what you are looking for (based on info provided).

There have been many in our family, and currently my parents have a 80 lb female and we have a 100 lb male. As mentioned above they are very clean, one of the smartest breeds (top 5 I think), easy to train, obedient, protective, but want nothing more than to play and be near the family when in the house. They are great with kids - our 13 month old crawls all over our guy and he just wags and lays still and then moves very carefully when our son is near him. Every night our Dobe will not go lay on his bed until he lays next to me on the sofa (normally with his head in my lap) for a while. He is only allowed on the one older love seat and he does not even try to get on other furniture in the house. They have to be part of the family and get attention and exercise, but again you can never let them be the alpha in the house or they will start challenging you.

Proper training and temperament are a must. If you do not train and treat them properly you can get in trouble. You also need to know what you are getting into and there are "tests" you can use to see the temperament of the dog. A well bred, properly tempered Dobe will not snap/fear bite at a sudden, loud noise (like dropping a pan on the ground behind them), and they will not run or cower either. The ideal reaction is to move toward the noise to investigate and make sure it is not a threat, but doing so confidently and in control. I would stay away from dogs that either bite or run - either way you have a higher chance of a fear bite later should something go wrong. Contrary to some beliefs they are one of the least likely breeds to bite someone in the family, but rank moderate on aggressiveness towards strangers and strange animals. They should always be on a leash and well socialized. We like the fact that they are not immediately welcoming of strangers - I dont want a dog that will let someone walk in the house or let a stranger walk up to my wife is she is walking around the neighborhood. As soon as we tell him "it's okay" he wags and is ready to play with newcomers, but until then he stays between us and them and just stares with a "stay back" look.

As far as protecting the house - no training needed, it's what they do. I was out with friends one night watching the NBA finals, and when my wife went to bed our Dobe laid in front of our bedroom door until I got home so nobody else could get in the room. As soon as I got home he went to his bed to sleep. Great piece of mind.

My wife was not familiar with them nor comfortable with the idea because of misconceptions some people have about the breed. After being around my parents Dobe she very quickly changed her mind, and after adopting our guy she cannot imaging not having one in the house. We are planning on getting a puppy when our son is a little bit older. (the pups need a bit of training and can be very testing/challenging - you need to be able to be consistent, firm, and fair but not lose your temper - so be warned! TONS of energy).



Eating the bone from a pork shoulder


Our son laying on our Dobe


Sharing the sofa with my parents' Dobe


With our German Pinscher


Playing in the yard





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Posted: 7/26/2012 10:26:05 PM
thanks for all the replys guys and the pictures. we have some one 4 hours away with puppies. It would be less worrie having one at home with the family while i am at work.

stuck
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Posted: 7/27/2012 7:19:15 PM
Originally Posted By stuckincal:
thanks for all the replys guys and the pictures. we have some one 4 hours away with puppies. It would be less worrie having one at home with the family while i am at work.

stuck


I drove a little over 200 miles each way to get mine. The local breeders sell crap Dobes...

Be sure to ask to see the parents and inspect them best you can. Don't be shy about asking to see their papers and ask about their heath history... Unless this is a VERY reputable breeder - Stick with a Black Dobie and avoid the reds, blue or fawns. You will find that Black Dobies tend to have fewer skin conditions and stay a lot cleaner.




Are you going to Tennessee to get yours?
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Posted: 7/30/2012 3:07:11 AM
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Not going to go into detail. I've had other breeds and loved them but had to come back to the Doberman.

Hard to beat a well bred Dobe.

IM me if you want breeder info.








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I wanted a Dobe but didn't want to deal with the cropping of the ears thing and the wife does not want one with the ears uncropped because it looks like a hound then not a dobie ( her words not mine, but happy wife, happy life !!! ) so We decided to get a Rottie. Found a Maryland rescue that had just aquired 2 full litters of puppies along with there Mothers. Could not be happier with this animal, playful, great with the grandkids, great watch dog and a great friend as She has been with Me for 5 years now. The down side is I now have to clean thos big floppy ears monthly ! LOL ! ......WVleo
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Posted: 7/30/2012 12:59:12 PM

Originally Posted By Ar-15TechGuy:
Originally Posted By stuckincal:
thanks for all the replys guys and the pictures. we have some one 4 hours away with puppies. It would be less worrie having one at home with the family while i am at work.

stuck


I drove a little over 200 miles each way to get mine. The local breeders sell crap Dobes...


Have to agree with this. Never make an impulse buy on a pup from the first local breeder you find.

Do your research and have patience. I waited 6 months for my current female and she was from another state.

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Posted: 7/30/2012 9:24:08 PM
Originally Posted By DoberDude:

Originally Posted By Ar-15TechGuy:
Originally Posted By stuckincal:
thanks for all the replys guys and the pictures. we have some one 4 hours away with puppies. It would be less worrie having one at home with the family while i am at work.

stuck


I drove a little over 200 miles each way to get mine. The local breeders sell crap Dobes...


Have to agree with this. Never make an impulse buy on a pup from the first local breeder you find.

Do your research and have patience. I waited 6 months for my current female and she was from another state.




Our first Dobie came from a local breeder and was a good dog but... Had heath issues out the wazoo. Mostly allergy issues that cost us a fortune in the long run.

The dogs that we went out of state to get were far superior health wise. Our particular breeder was also a Vet and actually cared about the health of the puppies he was producing. That matters to me...

I also had to wait a bit for the girls I have currently. Not a problem at all for a good dog.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 9:52:31 PM
Originally Posted By WVleo:
I wanted a Dobe but didn't want to deal with the cropping of the ears thing and the wife does not want one with the ears uncropped because it looks like a hound then not a dobie ( her words not mine, but happy wife, happy life !!! )

SNIP

The down side is I now have to clean thos big floppy ears monthly ! LOL ! ......WVleohttp://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m243/WVleo/Picture584.jpg


A long crop (show crop) like in Doberdudes pictures does require a little more work on the part of the owner but it is not that bad. A medium crop like what you see in my picture is less work to get them to stand properly. Neither of my girls needed more than 10 tapings/postings before their ears were standing on their own. (ears tend to stand faster when you have more than one dog around as they (the dogs) tend to keep each other 'excited' and this helps the ears to perk up)

Ears are not as hard to post/tape as many will have you believe. Most all Vets that I know of that do ears will be there to help every step of the way and give instructions/help as to how exactly you need to be doing things. I had no trouble training my current girls to come put their head on my knee back when we were still taping ears. They quickly figured out they got a reward for 'helping me out' and behaving. The important thing is to find a good Vet (that does ears and has experience with that) that will help you through the process and answer any questions... Not all Vets do ears or know squat about that sort of thing... This crap blows my mind. When a Vet says that they will NOT crop ears because they think it is 'wrong' to do - but that same Vet will not hesitate to offer to chop out your dogs ovaries or cut their balls off...



Lucky for me - My girls clean each others ears now. LOL!
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Posted: 7/30/2012 10:04:57 PM
I grew up with one. As you can see, he was pretty gangster:

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The Dobermann and the German shepherd Dog both have a shared issue- for all practical purposes there are three different breeds of Dobermanns and three different breeds of German Shepherd Dogs.

Both Breeds originated in Germany. The Germans are a fairly organized. They try to maintain some semblance of conformity to a breed standard, not just how a dog looks, but also its temperament or how it acts. With dogs like the GSD and Dobermann they have tests that dogs must pass before breeding. What this means to a puppy buyer is that you can reasonably expect what a German Dobermann’s looks and behavior will be.

In the USA no testing is required by the breed clubs to breed dogs. Here in the USA any one who can get two Dobermann’s collected can let them screw and make puppies. The dogs don’t have to meet any standards. As long as someone has paid to keep up the AKC registrations of the dogs the resulting pups will be “Purebred” Dobermann’s. What this means is that both the looks and behavior can be all over the board. You can have large heavy Dobermann’s, small skinny ones, dogs with narrow skulls, dogs with bow legs, etc, etc. Same with the temperament- it can be all over the place with some dogs that are shy and skittish, others that are everyone best friend others that are suspicious, etc, etc.

Just checking out the parents may not tell you much because traits can come from further up the family tree (just as an example- the parents may be stable but one grand parent was shy so half the litter ends up shy)

Much of Europe follows the German lead when it comes to dogs and generally speaking dogs of European pedigrees will have gone through some sort of testing to be qualified for breeding. So this give you two distinct breeds- the “American’ Dobermann and the “European” Dobermann.

With the Europeans, even though the dogs go through testing to establish a minimum standard, the breeders from that point have their priorities.

Some breeders are dog show enthusiasts and they breed for looks. These lines of dogs are referred as “show” lines. Sometimes “show” lines have passed the looks evaluation or testing with flying colors but barely passed minimal standards for working ability.

Other breeders compete with their dogs in work and of course breed for working ability. These lines of dogs are referred to as “Working” lines. These lines can sometimes be the opposite of “show” lines in that they barely pass the standards for looks, but pass the working ability tests with flying colors.

Ideally good breeders produce beautiful hard working dogs, but the reality is that they tend to specialize one way or the other.

ALL the European Dobermanns will have some standardization. They will tend to be more “drivey” than American dogs and a have slightly different look than American Dobermanns. The European look doesn’t do well in the American AKC show ring. European “show’ line dogs may act a little like a very well bred American Dobermann. A European “working” line dog will be a fairly hard assed, high drive dog; capable of protection work, agility, search & rescue, bite sports, etc.

The American Doberman’s from breeders who are heavy into show dogs will have some standardization of looks, but temperament/behavior can vary all over the place.

So in summery you have three breeds-
the American Dobermann,
the European show line Dobermann,
the European working line Dobermann.

The “working” line Dobermanns are closest to the original Dobermann breed, but they are a lot of dog to handle. A “real” Dobermann is not for the faint of heart and definitely not a dog you can let run loose or entertain himself.
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