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Posted: 1/18/2012 7:43:02 PM
Originally Posted By Leonidas777:
I agree with you in regards to Haymitch, Gale, and Cinna. I liked the fact that they maintained their ideals and were willing to die for them. With Katniss, it isn't as clear, but the author stresses the point over and over that Katniss' motivations are completely selfless. She offered herself to the Hunger Games in order to save her family and her primary consideration was to make a better life for them. I wouldn't say she was completely selfish or self-focused. I didn't read it as the author stressing Katniss's motivations as completely selfless, but who knows? I actually read it as the complete opposite- that Katniss was primarily self-motivated up until one final moment toward the end. Katniss wasn't the shining selfless hero the Mockingjay was portrayed as, which I thought was part of the point the author was making about the power of media. What I did think the author stressed again and again was how Katniss is like Haymitch, and Haymitch was far from selfless. Katniss did offer herself, and, yes, she wanted her sister to live, but I also think she did this because she couldn't bear to lose Prim. Her actions are motivated by her own feelings and how much their loss would affect her. Completely understandable, definitely, but not exactly selfless. |
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Posted: 1/18/2012 10:33:05 PM
Originally Posted By LearningToLive: I think Katniss started out caring a great deal about her sister and her mother. She had stepped up and taken care of her family when her mother went into the deep depression. She volunteered to take her sister's place in the games. However, she was also extremely distrustful of others and had a very hard time accepting that others could care for her. Even at the end of the first book, she was surprised that Peta genuinely cared for her.
Originally Posted By Leonidas777: I agree with you in regards to Haymitch, Gale, and Cinna. I liked the fact that they maintained their ideals and were willing to die for them. With Katniss, it isn't as clear, but the author stresses the point over and over that Katniss' motivations are completely selfless. She offered herself to the Hunger Games in order to save her family and her primary consideration was to make a better life for them. I wouldn't say she was completely selfish or self-focused. I didn't read it as the author stressing Katniss's motivations as completely selfless, but who knows? I actually read it as the complete opposite- that Katniss was primarily self-motivated up until one final moment toward the end. Katniss wasn't the shining selfless hero the Mockingjay was portrayed as, which I thought was part of the point the author was making about the power of media. What I did think the author stressed again and again was how Katniss is like Haymitch, and Haymitch was far from selfless. Katniss did offer herself, and, yes, she wanted her sister to live, but I also think she did this because she couldn't bear to lose Prim. Her actions are motivated by her own feelings and how much their loss would affect her. Completely understandable, definitely, but not exactly selfless. But over the course of her experiences in the books, she became psychologically damaged. Katniss became more like Haymich because she and Haymich had experienced the same horrors. They were both reluctant heroes in the revolution.
They were also both survivors. Katniss earned her high marks from the Gamemakers not because she was accurate with the bow and arrow, but because she shot in their direction. She showed that she would do what it takes.
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Posted: 1/26/2012 11:36:31 PM
[Last Edit: 1/26/2012 11:37:35 PM by --bullseye--]
Only read the first book so far. Was at a friends house over the weekend and the first book was sitting on his coffee table. I read the first two chapters and then had to set it down, but I was hooked. Ordered a copy off Amazon and read the book straight through in one sitting (I guess you could call it a real page turner?
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Next two books are on the way from Amazon. Should be here in two days thanks to Prime. Should make for an interesting movie too... |
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Posted: 1/30/2012 4:16:23 PM
Anyone know if the movie will be broken up into a trilogy or is the movie going to cover all three books?
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Posted: 1/30/2012 8:44:37 PM
Originally Posted By MXandSXracer21:
Anyone know if the movie will be broken up into a trilogy or is the movie going to cover all three books? From the looks of the trailer, the movie will mostly cover the first book. There is a to much going on to cover all three in one shot. Wither the make any sequels will depend upon how well this one does. Referencing "The Golden Compass" nothing is certain. |
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Posted: 2/2/2012 9:36:08 AM
I thought the first book was great, but it went down hill after that to the point where I had to force myself to make it through the third book. The third book just devolved into some pretty ridiculous action that was way over the top. I won't say more than that and spoil it.
But suffice to say I didn't find Katniss selfless at all. In fact, she struck me as totally selfish and devolved into your typical female teen idiot, only thinking about herself, but portrayed by the media as being selfless. There was too much of her feeling sorry for herself BS. |
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Posted: 2/2/2012 11:30:44 AM
Originally Posted By MXandSXracer21:
Anyone know if the movie will be broken up into a trilogy or is the movie going to cover all three books? I heard they were hoping to make four movies, but that will depend on the success of the first movie. |
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Posted: 2/2/2012 6:23:03 PM
Originally Posted By LvFreeRDie: But suffice to say I didn't find Katniss selfless at all. In fact, she struck me as totally selfish and devolved into your typical female teen idiot, only thinking about herself, but portrayed by the media as being selfless. There was too much of her feeling sorry for herself BS. Katnis was very much a product of what happened to her. She was simply unable to fully cope with the ongoing horrors that she went through. Her grasp on sanity slipped away over the course of the three books. While in many ways she was a strong female character, she was by no means a two-dimensional fearless hero. She was wracked with guilt and a sense of obligation to those who had saved her before. By the end of the series, she had definitely lost any selfless traits. Her feeling sorry for herself was not unwarranted. Definitely an understandable case of PTSD. Throughout the series, Katnis was a survivor, but by no means indestructible. The only thing she did that was not geared towards her survival was volunteering to go in place of her sister. In the scene in the third book when Peta and Gail discussed who Katnis would stay with, one of them said whomever will help her survive. In the end, that statement was correct. |
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Posted: 2/26/2012 7:50:40 PM
Well, It looks like I'm going to have to go against the grain here, sorry guys but this series was the most God-awful series I've ever read, I don't think "The Road" was as depressing as these books were. The thing that bothered me the most was how easy it was for the author to just dismiss over 200 years of freedom and Democracy with a wave of her hand. What you're talking about here is a Government turning on it's own people, more or less enslaving them and forcing them to sacrifice their children to the God of entertainment, gladiators in a new Rome as it were. Except for the "revolution" in the end there never seems to be any outrage that this behavior is allowed to continue the author claims she wanted to show young people and their involvement in war, I can certainly think of a lot of actual situations then something as contrived as this. When Kat confronts one of the rebels concerning the coming revolution they tell her "If our ancestors could do it so can we" but I got the feeling that if things didn't go well "No big Thing" I believe they still wanted to have the stupid games even after they won. I don't know, but after reading this series I "smelled" an agenda, sacrificing children to public entertainment indicates a deviant society, a society that wouldn't have any problems "using" these kids in other ways besides watching them try and kill each other. In the end though I can't see a lot of teens really reading this series, especially girls (they all seem to be caught up in the vampire thing) The movie will be the thing though, all the stories about it I've seen in the "fan" mags film books etc. really downplay the story and just focus on all the teen "heartthrobs" that have been cast into this thing.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 9:00:40 AM
Originally Posted By roadbum:
Well, It looks like I'm going to have to go against the grain here, sorry guys but this series was the most God-awful series I've ever read, I don't think "The Road" was as depressing as these books were. The thing that bothered me the most was how easy it was for the author to just dismiss over 200 years of freedom and Democracy with a wave of her hand. What you're talking about here is a Government turning on it's own people, more or less enslaving them and forcing them to sacrifice their children to the God of entertainment, gladiators in a new Rome as it were. Except for the "revolution" in the end there never seems to be any outrage that this behavior is allowed to continue the author claims she wanted to show young people and their involvement in war, I can certainly think of a lot of actual situations then something as contrived as this. When Kat confronts one of the rebels concerning the coming revolution they tell her "If our ancestors could do it so can we" but I got the feeling that if things didn't go well "No big Thing" I believe they still wanted to have the stupid games even after they won. I don't know, but after reading this series I "smelled" an agenda, sacrificing children to public entertainment indicates a deviant society, a society that wouldn't have any problems "using" these kids in other ways besides watching them try and kill each other. In the end though I can't see a lot of teens really reading this series, especially girls (they all seem to be caught up in the vampire thing) The movie will be the thing though, all the stories about it I've seen in the "fan" mags film books etc. really downplay the story and just focus on all the teen "heartthrobs" that have been cast into this thing. You would be wrong in that assumption. This is one of the best-selling series amongst teens. I agree that the last book wasn't nearly as good as the first, but overall, I'm glad I read it. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 4:48:42 PM
It's really too bad, when there's just so much better out there.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 6:00:06 PM
[Last Edit: 2/27/2012 6:00:45 PM by --bullseye--]
Originally Posted By roadbum: It's really too bad, when there's just so much better out there. The books were quick, easy, entertaining reads. Not a literary masterpiece (I don't think they'll be "classics" 50-100 years from now), but they aren't bad. First fiction books I've read in YEARS. I'm not a reader (used to be), and these books got me back into it for a little while. I read all 3 books in about 8 sittings. Haven't found anything else that has tickled my fancy since then. Still on the lookout.
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Posted: 2/28/2012 12:48:41 AM
I bought the book before I saw this thread. I ran into a girl reading it at a local market and I said I have seen the book a the book stores and asked how it is. She said it was good and I was like okay amazon.com has it for $5.95 so I grouped it in some other things I was ordering and got it with free shipping. I cant wait to read it.
If anyone cant get into a book because its a female lead I have to ask why? We all have to have something to let our minds go and enjoy the books for what they are. |
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Posted: 2/28/2012 12:54:38 AM
Read all three in about a 96 hour period. It helped that we lost power for about that long. Lotsa reading by headlamp!
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Posted: 2/28/2012 8:08:20 PM
Well, call me crazy, but I still think Collins is working some sort of angle, and these books sugarcoat life in a degenerate and morally bankrupt society, a very strange subject for teens.
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Posted: 3/27/2012 10:15:20 AM
I started reading the first book because of this thread, I'm half way through and its entertaining I guess, its a pretty fucked up future.
I don't know if I'll read the next two but I guess if they read as fast and as easy as the first why not. |
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Posted: 3/28/2012 2:18:22 AM
Originally Posted By roadbum:
I believe they still wanted to have the stupid games even after they won. Originally Posted By roadbum:
Well, call me crazy, but I still think Collins is working some sort of angle, and these books sugarcoat life in a degenerate and morally bankrupt society, a very strange subject for teens. I think the tyranny of the government was slowly revealed in the second and third books, it wasn't sugarcoated at all. The reader is getting the same perspective as the people in District 12, they can be in denial but are forced out of it (or die). As for the games continuing, doubtful. But I thought it was pretty clear message about how all the governments will be the same, the revolution usually just puts a new group of assholes in power. I really liked Tam's summary: http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2012/03/nobodys-skin-sparkles-either.html Further, I'd rather have today's teens reading about the dangers of oppressive governments and needing arms to revolt against them than daydreaming about being date-raped by the undead. |
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Posted: 3/28/2012 7:32:46 AM
finished the first book, it was enjoyable but the end of the book was kinda lame.
Not sure if I care to read the other two |
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Posted: 4/2/2012 9:50:21 PM
I just finished book one. I read it over the course of a day and I am happy with it. It was certainly a better use of my time than sitting in front of the tv all night.
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Posted: 4/6/2012 7:17:20 PM
Gonna start Book 3 tonight.
Not gonna read this thread through until I finish. I hate spoilers. |
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Posted: 4/6/2012 9:06:20 PM
Read the first one when I was on vacation a couple weeks ago. Finished it in 1 day. Bought all 3 for my Kindle, about half through the second one. They're entertaining for an easy to read book.
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Posted: 4/6/2012 10:13:23 PM
Just got done with the Second and I'm going out tomorrow to get the Third.
Short books though. When you get done burning through GRRM's 1,000 page books in his series it's like a nights reading with these things. |
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Posted: 4/7/2012 1:17:17 AM
I finished it and now I need to get the other two in the series. I liked it and took it for what it was meant to be. I myself being a writer enjoy reading other peoples works and seeing what their minds and produce. I think we could in time to come see some kind of game played out in our lives in some way shape or form to the Hunger games.
I really need to other two books, if anyone has them and wants to get rid of them let me know. |
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Posted: 4/10/2012 7:18:22 PM
[Last Edit: 4/16/2012 4:00:51 PM by MikeSearson]
I was completely underwhelmed by them.
I thought the writing was mediocre and the limited first person point of view did not help it much. The story premise was good and there were some moments of real brilliance on the part of the author, but all too often it just failed in execution. In good fiction, the characters move the plot. In this example, the plot moves the characters. The third book was the weakest of the series and I did prefer the second to the first for some reason, but the ending was weak. The author used too much deus ex machina to wrap things up, there's gaping plot holes and the Games should have been far more violent than depicted. I would rate the books 2 out of 5 stars. The movie fell flat for me as well, for much of the same reasons. There will definitely be a sequel because of the box office draw, but I predict that the third movie will either never be made or go straight to DVD. |
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Posted: 4/12/2012 12:37:55 AM
Going to see 'The Hunger Games' wais the first date my significant other and I have enjoyed since adopting our baby boy a few months ago. I don't know if it was the small reprieve from first time parenting or actually being able to sit for longer than thirty minutes that did it, but we walked out of the theater blown away. I tend to enjoy dystopian tales as I view them as a survival guide (just kidding. mostly.). This one went beyond anything I've read or seen. I think it really did a great job of showcasing how reality television tends to be (and in Panem it was a million times worse). It is raunchy and deplorable at times and has no problem exposing the worst of the human stain for ratings. It's a network's dream, I believe, when something huge happens on their show and they milk it for all it is worth.
Back to the movie/film ... I think more than anything the actors involved really sold it. Great cast. Jennifer Lawrence has already gotten an Oscar nomination for her work in 'Winter's Bone'. I can see her becoming the next Streep. Her range is incredible. And she's hot to boot. |
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