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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:05:53 PM

THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT
So what is the deal with that round? Looks very interesting

Parent cartridge, ballistics, etc. Ad says it is the best subsonic round developed for the AR platform. How does it compare to the .300 Blackout?
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Posted: 1/15/2014 10:22:28 PM
Never heard of it, tag for info.
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Posted: 1/15/2014 10:24:17 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By granther:
Never heard of it, tag for info.


Almost looks like a .357 sig case with a massively long bullet.
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Posted: 1/15/2014 10:26:38 PM
Speculating here, AR10 based rifle using .400 caliber.bullet with tweeked 308win case?

Get the right slippery bullet and I bet it is wicked.
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Posted: 1/15/2014 10:36:52 PM
Looks like it fits in a standard 5.56 magazine. Unless the scale of the picture is off.
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Posted: 1/15/2014 10:36:53 PM
Here is a Shotshow pic from the ARF page. Supposed to use standard mags.

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Posted: 1/15/2014 10:51:15 PM
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Looks like a 50 Beowulf cut down and necked. I also wonder how you load that. The bullet looks like it's nearly as long as the loaded cartridge? Must be loaded with ball powder on a centrifuge.

Maybe you start seating the bullet, then flip the press upside down to finish seating it?

That has to be the only cartridge in the world in which the majority of the powder is between the base of the bullet and the case neck.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 12:37:12 AM
Good points! Guess we will have to wait and see.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 10:15:46 AM
Only way I can see it being successful is if you can use a .45 suppressor instead of one for the .416 Barrett

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Posted: 1/16/2014 10:17:01 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Texaspyro21:
Only way I can see it being successful is if you can use a .45 suppressor instead of one for the .416 Barrett

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Since its subsonic, a pistol can will work fine.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 10:21:16 AM
I don't see where this would beat a 458 Socom. There is a great selection of bullets in .458 already.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 10:31:09 AM
I think it has less recoil or something than the socom round. Its a funky round. Cool stuff.
I cut it twice, and it's still short.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 10:35:25 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By bjgunner:
I don't see where this would beat a 458 Socom. There is a great selection of bullets in .458 already.

+1 how long has .458 Socom been around?
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Posted: 1/16/2014 10:39:58 AM
Based on that info (at 1000fps) and a 100 yd zero you get...

50 yds: +3.7" (972.4 fps)
150 yds: -12.9" (959.7 fps)
200 yds: -35.2" (947.6 fps)
300 yds: -109.2" (924.9 fps)
400 yds: - 223.8" (904.0 fps)
500 yds: -381.0" (884.6 fps)
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Posted: 1/16/2014 11:08:56 AM
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So it looks like a 357 sig case. I guess 416
round? Which means a new barrel? What else?
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Posted: 1/16/2014 11:12:07 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By ajm1911:
Originally Posted By bjgunner:
I don't see where this would beat a 458 Socom. There is a great selection of bullets in .458 already.

+1 how long has .458 Socom been around?
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With bullets that, you know, do more than poke a hole, even at subsonic speeds.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 12:12:29 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By DarkNite:
Based on that info (at 1000fps) and a 100 yd zero you get...

50 yds: +3.7" (972.4 fps)
150 yds: -12.9" (959.7 fps)
200 yds: -35.2" (947.6 fps)
300 yds: -109.2" (924.9 fps)
400 yds: - 223.8" (904.0 fps)
500 yds: -381.0" (884.6 fps)



Thanks for that. Do you have the same factors for the heaviest or most common .300 blackout round. Is there a subsonic .458 socom round?
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Posted: 1/16/2014 12:54:15 PM
The bullet shown appears to be a Hornady Match 450gr BTHP Match round (http://www.hornady.com/store/416-Cal-.416-450-GR-Match/), which are $54.00 for a box of 50 at Midway, when available. A full up round will probably be $2.00 each even if you hand load.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 1:21:07 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By DarkNite:
The bullet shown appears to be a Hornady Match 450gr BTHP Match round (http://www.hornady.com/store/416-Cal-.416-450-GR-Match/), which are $54.00 for a box of 50 at Midway, when available. A full up round will probably be $2.00 each even if you hand load.


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Posted: 1/16/2014 1:22:27 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Archtaan:
Originally Posted By DarkNite:
The bullet shown appears to be a Hornady Match 450gr BTHP Match round (http://www.hornady.com/store/416-Cal-.416-450-GR-Match/), which are $54.00 for a box of 50 at Midway, when available. A full up round will probably be $2.00 each even if you hand load.


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Strange, it works for me.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 3:12:10 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Archtaan:
Originally Posted By DarkNite:
Based on that info (at 1000fps) and a 100 yd zero you get...

50 yds: +3.7" (972.4 fps)
150 yds: -12.9" (959.7 fps)
200 yds: -35.2" (947.6 fps)
300 yds: -109.2" (924.9 fps)
400 yds: - 223.8" (904.0 fps)
500 yds: -381.0" (884.6 fps)



Thanks for that. Do you have the same factors for the heaviest or most common .300 blackout round. Is there a subsonic .458 socom round?

300 BLK with 230gr Berger @ 1000FPS and 100 Yrd Zero.

50 yrds: +3.7 (988 FPS)
150 yrds: -12.8" (966 FPS)
200 yrds: -34.9" (955 FPS)
300 yrds: -107.8" (935 FPS)
400 yrds: -220.5" (916 FPS)
500 yrds: -374.6" (898 FPS)

300 BLK with 208gr Amax @ 1000FPS and 100 Yrd Zero.

50 yrds: +3.7 (984 FPS)
150 yrds: -13.0" (954 FPS)
200 yrds: -35.5" (941 FPS)
300 yrds: -110.2" (916 FPS)
400 yrds: -226.4" (893 FPS)
500 yrds: -386.1" (872 FPS)
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Posted: 1/16/2014 3:36:25 PM
I talked to the developer yesterday here at SHOT
It is based on the 50AE case
I like the shit out of this
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Posted: 1/16/2014 4:13:04 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By DarkNite:
The bullet shown appears to be a Hornady Match 450gr BTHP Match round (http://www.hornady.com/store/416-Cal-.416-450-GR-Match/), which are $54.00 for a box of 50 at Midway, when available. A full up round will probably be $2.00 each even if you hand load.

Cast bullets + powder coating = cheap, accurate shooters

You can push powder coated cast bullets up to 2000 FPS. Its the future.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 4:19:34 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By cpermd:
I talked to the developer yesterday here at SHOT
It is based on the 50AE case
I like the shit out of this


Anything that pushes the envelope further - even a little further - is welcome.

If you have the money for it & the ammo/brass, great. Would like to see a range report. Would probably buck the wind a little better than the 300 BLK.

For the reloaders & the "cash challenged" - it does not seem to offer a whole lot of improvement ballistically over the 300BLK heavy bullets.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 4:58:26 PM
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That's slinging a whole bunch of lead with such a high BC pill. I'm really curious what the recoil is like with subsonic loads. Interesting the the parent cartridge is .50 AE. In the picture it looks more like a 458 SOCOM or 50 Beowulf like another poster suggested. That rim looks markedly more rebated than a .50 AE.

Compared to the Blackout, I bet this is horrifically expensive, but I bet it offers a tad better subsonic performance on game.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:01:36 PM
It does look a lot more like a BW rim, doesn't it?

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