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Posted: 7/6/2012 11:49:53 PM

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I know of effects pedals, but know nothing about them. I mean, I've got some info in books, but what should I look for, what's a reasonable price, what should I avoid, what do I need to know before I talk to a salesman at the Guitar Center who will want to sell me everything under the sun?
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Posted: 7/7/2012 1:08:45 AM
What type of sound are you looking for? Maybe a better question is what band/guitar player has a tone your looking for? Also what kind of amp do you have and what's you budget?

People go crazy with pedals (I did for a while), but now I'm back to just guitar > cable > amp and I'm happier for it!
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Posted: 7/7/2012 2:58:44 AM
Originally Posted By SquawkVFR:
What type of sound are you looking for? Maybe a better question is what band/guitar player has a tone your looking for? Also what kind of amp do you have and what's you budget?

People go crazy with pedals (I did for a while), but now I'm back to just guitar > cable > amp and I'm happier for it!


I've found most of my pedals make good door stops. I'm back to: guitar > cable > volume pedal > cable > amp that gives me the distortion character I want.
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Posted: 7/7/2012 3:17:44 AM
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Originally Posted By SquawkVFR:
What type of sound are you looking for? Maybe a better question is what band/guitar player has a tone your looking for? Also what kind of amp do you have and what's you budget?

People go crazy with pedals (I did for a while), but now I'm back to just guitar > cable > amp and I'm happier for it!


I've found most of my pedals make good door stops. I'm back to: guitar > cable > volume pedal > cable > amp that gives me the distortion character I want.


Good call on the volume pedal. If your amp is doing it's part of the job (providing real tone), the most I would want would be a compressor/booster to punch the tubes in face extra hard.

I don't have most of the equipment I use to have - coming to terms with what was staring me in the face for years : I live in an apartment, and I play for fun. I traded/sold all my boutique/gucci gear and bought a littel 15w Line 6 amp.
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Posted: 7/7/2012 3:31:44 AM
I would think that almost any style and sound can benefit from a chorus and Reverb pedal. For distortion I still like the classic RT Box, but it isn't necessary for every distorted sound, just a lot of musicians from my favorite rock bands used it. A good delay is nice as well.
A lot of the multi effects processors have a lot of what you want in one package. I like the Roland and Boss stuff in that regard.
Make sure if you do get something like that that is be the easy to switch from one sound to the next during songs, and between songs during a gig. Flexibility can be limited with them if you aren't paying attention, and that's where a good set of pedals shines.

But start with the basics, like a good amp, then basic pedals first. No need to get phasers and flanges and ring modulators up front. Just stuff to add a little tone and body.
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Posted: 7/7/2012 3:33:28 AM
As stated above me, I am looking into a line 6 amp as well.
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Posted: 7/7/2012 3:39:13 AM
It really depends what you have and what you want as far as sound.

Are we talking delay (echo), reverb, distortion, gain, EQ, Wah, Harmonizer/Octaver, etc...?

Does your amp have an effect loop?

I have a few pedals and a rack mounted fx unit, as well as what is in recording software.

The pedals are fun when you just want to have some stomp ready on off when jamming.

The only thing I use regularly is the MXR EQ pedal, lets me get the sound I want into and out of my amp, trim off the sub base or scoop mids etc..
I wished I had got one much earlier.

The best tone will come from just the amp as far as gain is concerned, if you want straight up distortion, pedals or solid state amps will do it.

Some of the amp modeling pedals and fx units are sounding pretty good these days and are very portable.
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Posted: 7/7/2012 9:03:55 AM
I have a digitech 350 with very low miles that I might
part with... It is fun to play with but it is mostly useless
for live gigs.
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Posted: 7/7/2012 11:55:28 PM
Since I don't play out anymore, these days when I want effects, I don't have a pedalboard full of stompboxes.
I break out my POD XT. All manner of effects, amp models, and cab sims, in one programmable unit.

But even that's getting more and more rare because mostly it's just guitar > cable > amp.

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Posted: 7/8/2012 1:12:55 PM
I gave up on most pedals a long time ago. My chain is now guitar -> tuner -> wah -> boost -> noisegate -> amp.
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Posted: 7/8/2012 7:34:03 PM
I once downloaded a demo of Guitar Rig.

I thought it was fucking awesome, it would be great for travel or just rocking out of your computer if you are only going to be playing out of a practice amp anyway, it has so many Amp head, Cabinet, mic, effects options, it seems it has virtually all of them.
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Posted: 7/9/2012 7:28:33 AM
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A good noise gate like a MXR Smart Gate or a ISP Decimator is a must, imho. Beyond that, it's up to your tastes.

In front of the amp I use playing in my band (a Marshall JVM), I run a noise gate and a MXR Wylde Overdrive. And the only thing I use the overdrive is to bring out more harmonics and to boost he high end when I need it. And I run a Boss processor in the effects loop.

But I do have a pile of stompboxes that I goof off with from time to time with my other amps. Variety is the spice of life........
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Posted: 7/10/2012 3:15:21 AM
What's wrong with you people? No pedals? Nothing wrong with having options. Wah, overdrive, phaser, chorus, delay. I have so much crap I can't even remember what I have. Even have some fuzz pedal that some guy in France built me. Then the rack gear. Love the rack gear too.
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Posted: 7/10/2012 3:34:12 AM
A long time ago i picked up a Line 6 POD XT Live. I think they are a couple versions up from that by now, but it serves my purpose. It's got tons of bells and whistles that you can mess around with for hours. Including the expression pedal for wah-wah/volume/a bunch of other crap. It's also got some pretty decent pre-sets. You can also make custom tones with all of the effects.

DISCLAIMER. Analog, standalone, pedals will always give you the best tone hands down. I know that, so you purists don't need to flame me.

BUT with my PODXT Live, i haven't had to buy a new pedal in years. If i were a hardcore musician playing gigs to make a living, i would definitely buy individual pedals for the best possible sound. But if you just want to have options and some more creative flexibility in your living room without a huge pedalboard and ten thousand connector cables, it's an option to consider.

That being said, if you buy an amp that has the tone you like you should be all set.
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Posted: 7/10/2012 4:55:32 AM
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This is my new pedalboard project.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_148/1333687_New_pedal_board_project.html

And this was my rack system back when I was playing gigs:



I used a lot of effects back then. It was the 80's and I was doing covers and some original stuff as well. Doing things like Queensryche, Steve Vai and The Cure, you needed to have flexibility. So I had several delays, multi effects units, pitch shifters, dedicated chorus units, etc.

If you want to do the intro to "Barracuda" by Heart, you'll need flange. Before the grunge sound became mainstream, lots of guitarists had very processed sounds. Even Jimmy Page used effects units as did Hendrix and Clapton. You can get a decent sound running dry with a good amp/pickup/playing technique, but effects will enable you to do so much more. With a simple slap delay you will thicken your sound. Even Eddie Van Halen used effects.

Pedals are usually cheaper than rack effects, but pedals are making a comeback big time and some of the older units are bringing in lots of bucks. I tossed most of mine away back then, well gave them away to friends. Wish I had them now.
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Posted: 7/10/2012 10:15:37 AM
Originally Posted By hazFFemt90:
A long time ago i picked up a Line 6 POD XT Live. I think they are a couple versions up from that by now, but it serves my purpose. It's got tons of bells and whistles that you can mess around with for hours. Including the expression pedal for wah-wah/volume/a bunch of other crap. It's also got some pretty decent pre-sets. You can also make custom tones with all of the effects.

DISCLAIMER. Analog, standalone, pedals will always give you the best tone hands down. I know that, so you purists don't need to flame me.

BUT with my PODXT Live, i haven't had to buy a new pedal in years. If i were a hardcore musician playing gigs to make a living, i would definitely buy individual pedals for the best possible sound. But if you just want to have options and some more creative flexibility in your living room without a huge pedalboard and ten thousand connector cables, it's an option to consider.

That being said, if you buy an amp that has the tone you like you should be all set.


I knew a guy that played live with a Pod XT Live theough a mic preamp, then into a poweramp & 4X12 for a couole years until he had enough saved up for his deream amp. And in reality, the Pod didn't sound bad at all.
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Posted: 7/10/2012 10:21:29 AM
I'm partial to Boss pedals. I have a Metal Zone, Digital Delay 8, and a Super Chorus. Sometimes I use all, sometimes none. I've also got the Vox Clyde McCoy Wah and a ZW Wah (my favorite)
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Posted: 7/10/2012 10:58:58 AM
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Originally Posted By MikeS369:
What's wrong with you people? No pedals? Nothing wrong with having options. Wah, overdrive, phaser, chorus, delay.


I've got it. I just don't use it. I even have the flanger so I can do Baracuda.

I will admit I do like running two amps with a stereo chorus pedal occasionally. Every now and then I throw in a little delay to fatten up my sound when running clean. But I have found with the very low wattage amps I build I can get all the overdriven tone I like right from the amp at a volume I can play in my bedroom. So I've never had a need or desire for an overdrive or distortion pedal. I run no effects 95% of the time.

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Posted: 7/10/2012 1:43:11 PM
Originally Posted By rtech:
This is my new pedalboard project.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_148/1333687_New_pedal_board_project.html

And this was my rack system back when I was playing gigs:



I used a lot of effects back then. It was the 80's and I was doing covers and some original stuff as well. Doing things like Queensryche, Steve Vai and The Cure, you needed to have flexibility. So I had several delays, multi effects units, pitch shifters, dedicated chorus units, etc.

If you want to do the intro to "Barracuda" by Heart, you'll need flange. Before the grunge sound became mainstream, lots of guitarists had very processed sounds. Even Jimmy Page used effects units as did Hendrix and Clapton. You can get a decent sound running dry with a good amp/pickup/playing technique, but effects will enable you to do so much more. With a simple slap delay you will thicken your sound. Even Eddie Van Halen used effects.

Pedals are usually cheaper than rack effects, but pedals are making a comeback big time and some of the older units are bringing in lots of bucks. I tossed most of mine away back then, well gave them away to friends. Wish I had them now.


Seeing those VTMs makes me wonder of I shouldn't get mine going again, throw a few stompboxes in front of it amd call it good, instead of messing around with that MIDI stuff for practice/gigging.
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Posted: 7/10/2012 6:54:42 PM
G_S,

If you still have VTM's, hang on to them. I wish to God I'd never sold mine off. I love those amps and they are getting hard to come by. I look every now and then but they are rare. I used to have a 1959 Marshall SL100 made in the 1960's and I never liked it. Sold it off to Adrian Vandenburg for the VTM amps. If I ever get a chance to get another I'll jump on it.

I'm running a Jackson Reference 50 that I picked up pretty cheap and it sounds okay, but I really liked the VTM's. I'm looking at one of the Soldano designed Jet City amps next in probably 20 watt. Or maybe I should build a clone SLO 100.

Back to the thread, effects give you dimension, depth. A way to alter your normal sound to add something you can't do with technique. I had this same argument back in the 1980's where "purists" wanted their "effects" to come out of their fingers. Well, even Clapton and Hendrix used some effects as far back as the mid to late 60's. Effects add flavor to your technique.

I loved running a dual amp setup in stereo and running it loud. One of the best sounds I ever got was a Kramer Ripley guitar into two Laney AOR 100 watt tube amps cranked out with a delay. You had six assignable pan pots, one for each string and set them for each output on the guitar. It was just awesome and I'd never experienced anything like it before or since. One string assigned to one amp and another to the other amp. WOW!
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Posted: 7/18/2012 4:47:09 PM
Go to the gear page forums all the info you could ever need.
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If your just practicing at home some of the multi effect setups from Line 6, Digitech, etc. are great with good headphones.

If your working with an amp and getting serious then I would start with a good amp and guitar tone you are happy with and build from there. Having the right basic tone is critical. To me you should have a good clean and overdrive tone straight into the amp to start with. Research some of your favorite players and see what they're setups are. Then go out and start building from there. It's all a matter of personal preference.
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Posted: 7/23/2012 6:57:23 PM
First off, OP, your screen name is awesome.

Second, I've seen a lot of guitarists spend a lot of money on a lot of pedals chasing their dream sound, which they could have gotten right off the bat by spending that money on a really good amp.

Stuff at GC is usually fairly priced, so it's not like you're going to get majorly ripped off on a pedal. But it so depends on what sound you want, etc. as to what you should get or avoid.

But IMO, there's no use in trying to perfect your guitar sound until you're at the stage where you are ready for gigging and/or studio recording, and when you're ready for that you probably are beyond a bunch of pedals to create that ideal sound and have moved into a quality amp anyways.


As a drummer I relate it to these guys who will ask me if they should switch from Evans heads to Remo heads to get that huge sound. And I look at them and tell em, "Dude, you're playing a 15 year old Pearl Export kit. Sweating the brand of head for your upcoming recording session is not the greatest of your concerns."

If your rig is buster, pedals won't make it sound good. The better your rig is, well, the less you'll need any pedals to sound good at all.
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Posted: 7/24/2012 8:32:21 AM
Originally Posted By madmike66:

As a drummer I relate it to these guys who will ask me if they should switch from Evans heads to Remo heads to get that huge sound. And I look at them and tell em, "Dude, you're playing a 15 year old Pearl Export kit. Sweating the brand of head for your upcoming recording session is not the greatest of your concerns."



If I might interject a little drumming hijack: The 15 year old Peal Export set can give good sounds if the drummer has a clue on how to tune drums. I've found some don't have much of an idea on how to tune their drums beyond putting a new head on and bringing it up to tension. It would be the same as me playing a guitar with bad intonation. No matter what strings I put on it, it never is going to sound good.
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If I might interject a little drumming hijack: The 15 year old Pearl Export set can give good sounds if the drummer has a clue on how to tune drums. I've found some don't have much of an idea on how to tune their drums beyond putting a new head on and bringing it up to tension. It would be the same as me playing a guitar with bad intonation. No matter what strings I put on it, it never is going to sound good.


You're dead on right. Most drummers unfortunately don't know how to tune a drum properly, which is a shame. And yes, a good drummer can make an old export sound OK if you A) know how to tune and B) know how to play. A good friend of mine called me into his studio to tune his beat up export, and I got it sounding about as good as you can make it. BUT, the best drum tuner in the universe can only make an Export sound so good, and that kit will sound like butthole next to a top end kit tuned by the same guy. I managed to make my Tama Rockstars sound great for years, but I could never make them sound like my DWs.

And that was my point with the comparison. can you make a bad or average rig sound good with pedals? Sure you can. But it's often harder and more time consuming than making a good or great amp sound good.

But yeah, back to the hijack, I wish more drummers would spend some time on learning to make their kit sound optimal. The art is dying tho, because everyone just resamples everything in the studio with out of the box drum samples, and I hate that shit.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 8:32:19 PM
It depends on what you want to do.

For distortion, there are two schools of thought.

1) Get a really really loud clean amp, and use pedals to control distortion/overdrive. Most pedals are meant for this. You can use a giant tube amp (100 watts or so) or a solid state amp for this. This is most common.

2) Get a tube amp, and use an overdrive pedal to push the tubes into distortion territory. I use a tube screamer.

In my opinion, option 2 sounds better while option 1 is far easier to do. I use very few effects pedals. I have a maxon chorus, two tube screamers and an ibanez sonic distortion. I rarely use any of them except for 1 tube screamer and sometimes the chorus.


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