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Posted: 3/17/2017 9:28:32 AM EDT

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2017/march/16/trump-proposes-atc-privatization?utm_source=ePilot&utm_medium=Content&utm_content=tts&utm_campaign=170316epilot

The White House proposed privatizing air traffic control in a budget outline released March 16. The plan would “shift the air traffic control function of the Federal Aviation Administration to an independent, non-government organization.”

Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), ranking Member of the Senate Commerce Committee, said the proposal is “going nowhere in the Senate.”

“AOPA will review the details of the president’s proposal when they are made available," said AOPA President Mark Baker, "and we will continue to oppose efforts to impose user fees on any segment of general aviation."

The House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee passed legislation last year that would have privatized air traffic control and imposed user fees on Part 135 charter operations based outside Alaska and Hawaii. The proposal was supported by some major airlines and the National Air Traffic Controllers Association, but it failed to make it to the House floor amid strong bipartisan criticism.

Posted: 3/17/2017 1:25:01 PM EDT

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Not only no, but fuck no.

Posted: 3/17/2017 1:29:03 PM EDT

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Ost.

Posted: 3/17/2017 1:38:23 PM EDT

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The privatization of the FSS went so well for so many years...

Posted: 3/17/2017 2:15:38 PM EDT

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Is this where you end up getting charged for IFR approaches so you end up with more VFR in IMC incidents?

Posted: 3/19/2017 9:50:29 PM EDT

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Robert Crandall is that you?
"Why make 100 passengers wait for a plane holding 2 passengers?"

Posted: 3/20/2017 8:21:56 PM EDT

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It would be an adventure.

One of my biggest concerns would be the impact on GA. We are unique in how much GA is in the system, and uses the system along side commercial.

I'd like to keep it that way

Posted: 3/21/2017 3:42:58 PM EDT

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One of my biggest concerns would be the impact on GA. We are unique in how much GA is in the system, and uses the system along side commercial.

I'd like to keep it that way

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The effect on GA under Schumer's bill would be a disaster. If the airlines are given any authority or a for profit model is used in privatization, it will be the death of GA. And I have a feeling it's going to happen. Especially after hearing what Paul said yesterday.

Posted: 3/21/2017 4:19:47 PM EDT

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The effect on GA under Schumer's bill would be a disaster. If the airlines are given any authority or a for profit model is used in privatization, it will be the death of GA. And I have a feeling it's going to happen. Especially after hearing what Paul said yesterday.

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Agreed. I get where Paul is coming from as far as stable funding for adequate staffing and improvements in a reasonable time frame but I don't like the consequences of letting the Airline executives run over the rest of the system

Posted: 3/21/2017 7:35:33 PM EDT

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Gonna be honest, I though air traffic controllers were already private employees of the airports. Now someone is probably going to tell me airports aren't private and I'm going to feel even dumber :(

Posted: 3/21/2017 8:31:58 PM EDT

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Gonna be honest, I though air traffic controllers were already private employees of the airports. Now someone is probably going to tell me airports aren't private and I'm going to feel even dumber :(

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Some tower crews are. Mine ksua is and has been for some 50 years.

Posted: 3/21/2017 8:37:55 PM EDT

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Some tower crews are. Mine ksua is and has been for some 50 years.

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KSUA is a Federal Contract Tower I believe. If that's the future be very worried.

Posted: 3/21/2017 8:46:05 PM EDT

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Some tower crews are. Mine ksua is and has been for some 50 years.

KSUA is a Federal Contract Tower I believe. If that's the future be very worried.

Is, was a Grumman crew. All ex military.

Posted: 3/21/2017 9:08:13 PM EDT

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A lot of guys and gals go FCT/DOD contract while waiting to get to the FAA. It's a different world.

Posted: 3/22/2017 2:03:46 AM EDT

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The tower here is like that, the one in Bethel is too. My girlfriend's uncle got Bethel as his first civilian controlling job out of the AF and later got on with the FAA.

Posted: 3/22/2017 12:41:05 PM EDT

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The tower here is like that, the one in Bethel is too. My girlfriend's uncle got Bethel as his first civilian controlling job out of the AF and later got on with the FAA.

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I've got a few friends that worked at Bethel. There's a high turnover rate as people leave for the FAA. I know three guys that were up there within 3 years of each other and none overlapped

Posted: 3/22/2017 1:38:49 PM EDT

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I've got a few friends that worked at Bethel. There's a high turnover rate as people leave for the FAA. I know three guys that were up there within 3 years of each other and none overlapped

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The town suuuuuuuuuuuucks

Posted: 3/23/2017 12:09:23 AM EDT

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I've got a few friends that worked at Bethel. There's a high turnover rate as people leave for the FAA. I know three guys that were up there within 3 years of each other and none overlapped

The town suuuuuuuuuuuucks

My old chief pilot always said, "if the state of Alaska ever needed an enema, Bethel is where they'd stick the hose."
Mind you, we lived in Barrow when he said that. How's that for perspective.

Posted: 3/23/2017 12:38:52 AM EDT

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My old chief pilot always said, "if the state of Alaska ever needed an enema, Bethel is where they'd stick the hose."
Mind you, we lived in Barrow when he said that. How's that for perspective.

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Stepping over passed out natives at 10AM to get into the store is fun.

Posted: 3/23/2017 12:40:01 AM EDT

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I'm all for smaller government, but national defense and infrastructure ARE where they should remain imho.

Posted: 3/23/2017 8:50:53 PM EDT

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Agreed. THere are a lot of areas where I think things handled by government employees could be contracted out or done away with entirely, but traffic control and enforcement isn't one of them. I wouldn't farm out the State Patrol or control of traffic lights to a private corporation; we shouldn't hand over air traffic control either.

If there's a funding problem, fix it through changing the fuel tax. It scales nicely with the demands placed on the system by type of aircraft and amount of ATC used--big plane, long flight, lots of ATC. Medium plane or bizjet, still maybe a lot of ATC but less disruptive. Piston single, no ATC impact at all. Saying we need to privatize because of funding issues would be like saying we need to do my earlier analogy because the interstates need rehabilitation.

Posted: 5/17/2017 7:37:13 PM EDT

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House chairman pushes privatizing air traffic control in US

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/17/house-chairman-pushes-privatizing-air-traffic-control-in-us.html

"WASHINGTON – A House Republican committee chairman called on lawmakers Wednesday to turn the nation's air traffic control operations over to a new, non-profit corporation, saying no other infrastructure change has as much potential to improve travel for the average American flyer.

President Donald Trump has also called for privatizing air traffic control operations, suggesting placing them under an "independent, non-governmental organization" to make the system more efficient while maintaining safety.

Pennsylvania Rep. Bill Shuster, chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, told colleagues his top priority this year is to overhaul the Federal Aviation Administration along those lines. He said the effort he'll pursue will fund the new corporation through fees assessed for air traffic services and will free the operations from government dysfunction and the uncertainty of the annual appropriations process."

Posted: 5/17/2017 7:39:25 PM EDT

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House chairman pushes privatizing air traffic control in US

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"WASHINGTON – A House Republican committee chairman called on lawmakers Wednesday to turn the nation's air traffic control operations over to a new, non-profit corporation, saying no other infrastructure change has as much potential to improve travel for the average American flyer.

President Donald Trump has also called for privatizing air traffic control operations, suggesting placing them under an "independent, non-governmental organization" to make the system more efficient while maintaining safety.

Pennsylvania Rep. Bill Shuster, chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, told colleagues his top priority this year is to overhaul the Federal Aviation Administration along those lines. He said the effort he'll pursue will fund the new corporation through fees assessed for air traffic services and will free the operations from government dysfunction and the uncertainty of the annual appropriations process."

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We have a very unique system that allows for GA aviation to even have a chance. I want to see what his bill has for user fees. the ADS-B mandate is a bitch already I (we) don't want to see the further decline of GA

Posted: 5/17/2017 8:33:55 PM EDT

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I guess I'll be a chorus of one, in that while I think there will be an impact on GA, the idea that GA represents some national asset to be preserved is long dead. Stupid, but that's our government/military in charge of aviation matters, IMO.

If there is a cheaper way to provide a government service, then we should pursue that.

My own Rip Van Winkle experience in professional aviation gives me some perspective on changes in the industry from the late 1990s to present. One of things is frankly a noticeably lower level of ATC professionalism (despite the fact that the ATC is still quite good.) Can a privatized service potential gain and maintain better controllers? That's a good question.

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