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Posted: 2/10/2017 11:54:27 AM EDT
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Looks like it was just overbanked for too slow of an airspeed. At that low of an altitude, not much can be done once you're in that situation.
ETA: I can't tell if it's coordinated or not. Maybe someone can. He may have been able to save it if he instantly applied power, opposite rudder and forward stick/yoke right at lower wing drop. But, that's just what-iffing it. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 12:13:46 PM EDT
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Same thing the hotshot did with a B-52 a while back.
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Posted: 2/10/2017 12:19:31 PM EDT
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once the stall happened, there was no fixing it. Thats a heavy plane too.
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Posted: 2/10/2017 12:29:34 PM EDT
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Coordination wouldn't really be a big factor in my opinion.
Too tight of a turn at to low of an airspeed and the low wing just quit flying. Soon as that sink rate set in about 90 degrees into that turn it was probably unrecoverable at that altitude. This is the same experience that many GA pilots face with an engine problem shortly after take off. They try to do a 180 to get back to the runway and end up crashing. Too slow, too low, and turning too tight. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 3:18:03 PM EDT
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Same thing the hotshot did with a B-52 a while back. 1. slow it down. 2. bank it hard. 3. pull a really tight turn. 4. enjoy a brief moment wondering where you screwed up, as the ground rushes up to meet you. (sorry for quoting myself ......... I meant to edit) |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 3:46:01 PM EDT
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damn....it just fell out the sky.
That's one hell of a tight turn though...I don't even see actual real ducks try to turn that tight on landing. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 5:32:44 PM EDT
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Looks like the classic low altitude inside of the turn engine failure. We can't tell from the video because of the poor sound quality, but I'm sure a post crash investigation of the engines will answer that question. If both engines were just fine, the pilot was just being a dumbass.
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Posted: 2/11/2017 12:54:44 AM EDT
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It looked like a classic accelerated stall. He could have rolled the wings level and recovered when he was at 30 degrees. By the time he got to 45 degrees, he was done. It didn't look like lack of coordination was the main issue. He ran out of energy, altitude, and ideas, simultaneously.
Pilot error. Even with an engine failure, he had an unlimited runway he could have glided too. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 1:21:29 AM EDT
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It looked like a classic accelerated stall. He could have rolled the wings level and recovered when he was at 30 degrees. By the time he got to 45 degrees, he was done. It didn't look like lack of coordination was the main issue. He ran out of energy, altitude, and ideas, simultaneously. Pilot error. Even with an engine failure, he had an unlimited runway he could have glided too. So If I understand that correctly, he banked too much going too slow? |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 1:59:27 AM EDT
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So If I understand that correctly, he banked too much going too slow? Not bank angle, he pulled more AOA than the wing could tolerate and it stalled. It will happen no matter what attitude the aircraft is in. In a normal upright banking turn the Inside wing has lower airspeed so it stalls first and the plane rolls farther into the turn. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 2:02:37 AM EDT
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Not bank angle, he pulled more G than the wing could provide and it stalled. It will happen no matter what attitude the aircraft is in. In a normal banking turn the Inside wing has lower airspeed so it stalls first and the plane rolls farther into the turn. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So If I understand that correctly, he banked too much going too slow? Not bank angle, he pulled more G than the wing could provide and it stalled. It will happen no matter what attitude the aircraft is in. In a normal banking turn the Inside wing has lower airspeed so it stalls first and the plane rolls farther into the turn. I see... |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 5:50:32 PM EDT
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Textbook accelerated stall.
Poor bastards. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 6:11:26 PM EDT
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So If I understand that correctly, he banked too much going too slow? Have your instructor demonstrate an accelerated stall. It's impressive and really drives home the concept of AOA. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 7:05:28 PM EDT
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High speed accelerated stall.
Vince |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 8:55:44 PM EDT
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For a mallard it flew like a cormorant.
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:45:19 PM EDT
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A really fine example of piss poor piloting.
Too bad he couldn't have given the demonstration in a less beautiful aircraft. |
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Posted: 2/18/2017 9:54:43 AM EDT
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"Approach Turn Stall," one of the first maneuvers I learned at Saufley Field flying the T-34B Mentor.
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Posted: 2/18/2017 10:02:50 AM EDT
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High speed accelerated stall. Vince I think you meant you meant to say "slow." |
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Posted: 2/18/2017 10:47:19 AM EDT
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Thou shalt maintain thine airspeed lest the earth rise and smite thee with forceful gravitational vengeance, forthwith, henceto and into perpetuity for a real long time
If thou art going without great haste and engage in plentiful bank yankest not back on thine yoke with overexuberance lest ye attend debriefing in the presence of the Lord. |
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Posted: 2/18/2017 10:19:18 PM EDT
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Thou shalt maintain thine airspeed lest the earth rise and smite thee with forceful gravitational vengeance, forthwith, henceto and into perpetuity for a real long time
If thou art going without great haste and engage in plentiful bank yankest not back on thine yoke with overexuberance lest ye attend debriefing in the presence of the Lord. Been reading The Bard have we? Hmmmm? 
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Posted: 2/25/2017 9:42:51 PM EDT
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Yep, it was the pull the got him. He was coordinated but it didn't matter, the G load from the pull caused the critical AOA to be exceeded and that was that.
Be careful out there. As they say, flying is not inherently dangerous but it is terribly unforgiving.
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