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Posted: 1/3/2017 9:52:18 PM EDT
4 killed in plane crash
No flight plan. Flying VFR. METAR from closest airport to crash site, around time of crash. KPAN 021635Z AUTO VRB04G10KT 10SM OVC003 02/01 A3011 RMK AO2 KPAN is at 5157'. It was overcast at 300' agl there. Terrain in the area rises to over 8000'. He HAD to know it was that bad there. He HAD to know he was flying into IMC. He HAD to know the terrain rises. No mayday calls. Nothing. His family started making phone calls probably 10-12 hours after the crash. He was definitely in icing conditions too. 
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Posted: 1/3/2017 10:10:51 PM EDT
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Doubt anyone will ever know unless some kind of note shows up.
Barring that, it was a plainly stupid thing to do. |
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Posted: 1/4/2017 1:31:15 AM EDT
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That's two lawyers in less than a week.
ETA: Googled the pilot's ratings. I didn't see an instrument rating on his certificate. I ran my name through the same search and it showed up for me. |
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Posted: 1/4/2017 1:57:02 AM EDT
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That's two lawyers in less than a week. ETA: Googled the pilot's ratings. I didn't see an instrument rating on his certificate. I ran my name through the same search and it showed up for me. I did that too. I don't think he was rated. I just can't picture an instrument rated pilot taking off into known IMC and not filing. This dude didn't file a plan at all. I mean nothing. And he was flying a 300nm route that goes over essentially nothing. |
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Posted: 1/4/2017 7:39:02 AM EDT
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He had probably done similarly stupid things in the past and got away with it.
A big ego and stupidity really speed up Darwin. It's a shame that others had to die because of him, though. |
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Posted: 1/4/2017 9:57:46 AM EDT
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Seems like we just had a thread on low time pilots. Condolences to the family, I can't imagine the loss. I personally would not fly a single engine anything in that region, much less a single engine piston, without an instrument rating. I just came back from Rifle and the weather was crap, couldn't see the peaks.
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Posted: 1/4/2017 10:07:00 AM EDT
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I did that too. I don't think he was rated. I just can't picture an instrument rated pilot taking off into known IMC and not filing. This dude didn't file a plan at all. I mean nothing. And he was flying a 300nm route that goes over essentially nothing. I see it all the time. |
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Posted: 1/4/2017 2:06:11 PM EDT
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If only there were rules against that....
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Posted: 1/4/2017 2:21:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2017 2:45:20 PM EDT
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Posted on ABC 15.
Sources tell ABC15 the girl's mother did not want her children in the plane as she didn't think her ex had enough flight experience; the woman did take the man to court over the issue in fear that something like a crash would happen. Something tells me that she knew the guy was a poor pilot. |
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Posted: 1/4/2017 3:00:05 PM EDT
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Posted on ABC 15. Something tells me that she knew the guy was a poor pilot. Jeez, WTF is wrong with people. |
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Posted: 1/4/2017 3:09:17 PM EDT
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Posted on ABC 15. Something tells me that she knew the guy was a poor pilot. Holy shit. She sued to keep her kids out of the plane. What the accident CFIT or, ummm, unCFIT? |
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Posted: 1/4/2017 3:27:41 PM EDT
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Unless it was a T210 with boots, hot prop, hot plate and a TON of mountain time he's a Fool.
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Posted: 1/4/2017 3:31:05 PM EDT
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What was the forecast in Telluride?
This is a story as old as time. It's an aviation cliche'. Guy with enough money to buy a nice airplane, but too much ego to know his own limitations. Aviation attracts these kind of people, like flies. It's a shame he took the others with him. |
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Posted: 1/4/2017 4:13:13 PM EDT
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Posted on ABC 15. Something tells me that she knew the guy was a poor pilot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Posted on ABC 15. Sources tell ABC15 the girl's mother did not want her children in the plane as she didn't think her ex had enough flight experience; the woman did take the man to court over the issue in fear that something like a crash would happen. Something tells me that she knew the guy was a poor pilot. No lie....a mother's intuition is more often right than wrong. |
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Posted: 1/4/2017 4:14:38 PM EDT
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What was the forecast in Telluride? This is a story as old as time. It's an aviation cliche'. Guy with enough money to buy a nice airplane, but too much ego to know his own limitations. Aviation attracts these kind of people, like flies. It's a shame he took the others with him. I never understood how people can be like that.....I came here posting about Comanches and was given good advice, which I will listen to. |
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Posted: 1/4/2017 4:40:17 PM EDT
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I never understood how people can be like that.....I came here posting about Comanches and was given good advice, which I will listen to. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What was the forecast in Telluride? This is a story as old as time. It's an aviation cliche'. Guy with enough money to buy a nice airplane, but too much ego to know his own limitations. Aviation attracts these kind of people, like flies. It's a shame he took the others with him. I never understood how people can be like that.....I came here posting about Comanches and was given good advice, which I will listen to. That Ego is within their very nature. Ego, and positive thinking, Is what made them successful to begin with. Works great in everyday life, but deadly in Aviation. A good pilot is a contradiction. Enough ego to keep cool under pressure, but tempered with enough introspection and judgement to know his limitations. (Limitations of both pilot, and equipment) "A superior pilot uses superior judgment, to avoid situations requiring superior skill". - and in flying, you can very easily cross the line where no amount of skill can save you. You can't see the line, until it's behind you. |
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Posted: 1/4/2017 5:07:27 PM EDT
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That Ego is within their very nature. Ego, and positive thinking, Is what made them successful to begin with. Works great in everyday life, but deadly in Aviation. A good pilot is a contradiction. Enough ego to keep cool under pressure, but tempered with enough introspection and judgement to know his limitations. (Limitations of both pilot, and equipment) "A superior pilot uses superior judgment, to avoid situations requiring superior skill". - and in flying, you can very easily cross the line where no amount of skill can save you. You can't see the line, until it's behind you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What was the forecast in Telluride? This is a story as old as time. It's an aviation cliche'. Guy with enough money to buy a nice airplane, but too much ego to know his own limitations. Aviation attracts these kind of people, like flies. It's a shame he took the others with him. I never understood how people can be like that.....I came here posting about Comanches and was given good advice, which I will listen to. That Ego is within their very nature. Ego, and positive thinking, Is what made them successful to begin with. Works great in everyday life, but deadly in Aviation. A good pilot is a contradiction. Enough ego to keep cool under pressure, but tempered with enough introspection and judgement to know his limitations. (Limitations of both pilot, and equipment) "A superior pilot uses superior judgment, to avoid situations requiring superior skill". - and in flying, you can very easily cross the line where no amount of skill can save you. You can't see the line, until it's behind you. That makes sense.....I know quite a few folks who are successful and can see their ego writing checks their ass can't cash. One of them owns a jet and I am amazed he is still flying. One of those guys who is never wrong and once they make their mind up it's no changing it. I don't think I would ever fly with him if he were PIC. |
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Posted: 1/4/2017 7:35:24 PM EDT
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That makes sense.....I know quite a few folks who are successful and can see their ego writing checks their ass can't cash. One of them owns a jet and I am amazed he is still flying. One of those guys who is never wrong and once they make their mind up it's no changing it. I don't think I would ever fly with him if he were PIC. My wife got me a shirt that says "I'm a Pilot, so let's just assume I'm never wrong." I rolled my eyes and thought to myself, well, now I know why no airplanes EVER crash. 
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Posted: 1/5/2017 11:12:54 AM EDT
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Another pilot flying his check book and not his log book.
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Posted: 1/5/2017 12:19:23 PM EDT
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My wife got me a shirt that says "I'm a Pilot, so let's just assume I'm never wrong." I rolled my eyes and thought to myself, well, now I know why no airplanes EVER crash.
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That makes sense.....I know quite a few folks who are successful and can see their ego writing checks their ass can't cash. One of them owns a jet and I am amazed he is still flying. One of those guys who is never wrong and once they make their mind up it's no changing it. I don't think I would ever fly with him if he were PIC. My wife got me a shirt that says "I'm a Pilot, so let's just assume I'm never wrong." I rolled my eyes and thought to myself, well, now I know why no airplanes EVER crash.
And no, I won't be wearing it. I'll take that shirt off your hands 
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Posted: 1/5/2017 1:05:32 PM EDT
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FIFY. We have a flight attendant who lost 3 children (ages 6-9) to a crash in the Superstition mountains. I want to say it was similar to this incident...very sad! I remember when I was a fool once. I was a young, 300 hour (comm/inst rated...working on CFI) pilot, who hadn't flown in over 2.5 months (due to a mil deployment...I was enlisted at the time) who though he was invincible. That 2 hour, night, hard IFR, turbulent, down to mins on a NDB circling approach to a poorly lit runway, in the middle of nowhere, was the single greatest lesson learned in my aviation career. I now have over 3,000 hours in E170/737/757/767 and over 1,300 hours in F-16s and I would NOT attempt that same flight today. It wasn't that this was an impossible flight, it was that I had no place attempting such a flight at my experience level, especially with my lack of currency...I didn't know my own limits. KNOW YOUR LIMITS and call it a day when you hit them. A hotel room or a missed meeting is a heck of a lot cheaper than the alternative. Stay safe ladies and gents. |
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Posted: 1/5/2017 4:37:32 PM EDT
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What was the forecast in Telluride? KTEX has been nasty for the last few weeks, but of course everyone and their brother wanted to go up there. KMTJ looked like fucking Teterboro. We were 7th in line for departure. The controllers were going out of their minds. Half of the guys hadn't read the NOTAMs, the freq was congested, multiple aircraft holding at Cones...total clownshoes. |
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Posted: 1/7/2017 6:25:56 PM EDT
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KTEX has been nasty for the last few weeks, but of course everyone and their brother wanted to go up there. KMTJ looked like fucking Teterboro. We were 7th in line for departure. The controllers were going out of their minds. Half of the guys hadn't read the NOTAMs, the freq was congested, multiple aircraft holding at Cones...total clownshoes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What was the forecast in Telluride? KTEX has been nasty for the last few weeks, but of course everyone and their brother wanted to go up there. KMTJ looked like fucking Teterboro. We were 7th in line for departure. The controllers were going out of their minds. Half of the guys hadn't read the NOTAMs, the freq was congested, multiple aircraft holding at Cones...total clownshoes. I'm working pretty hard these days, and sometimes I bitch about it, but thanks for reminding me about the "good ole days" .
I disliked ski season for that very reason. It's actually kinda surprising there aren't more accidents. |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 8:49:30 AM EDT
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That Ego is within their very nature. Ego, and positive thinking, Is what made them successful to begin with. Works great in everyday life, but deadly in Aviation. A good pilot is a contradiction. Enough ego to keep cool under pressure, but tempered with enough introspection and judgement to know his limitations. (Limitations of both pilot, and equipment) "A superior pilot uses superior judgment, to avoid situations requiring superior skill". - and in flying, you can very easily cross the line where no amount of skill can save you. You can't see the line, until it's behind you. Truth. You only get so many " oh shit" moments in this profession. Sometimes it's just the one. |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 11:34:12 AM EDT
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Truth. You only get so many " oh shit" moments in this profession. Sometimes it's just the one. Sullenburger said his entire career was carefully putting small deposits in his experience bank for one very large withdrawal. I don't think we have a pilot shortage in this country. The numbers don't lie. There are still Y+X ATPs for Y new hire slots. What we have, IMO, is an experience deficit, and that is FAR more difficult to quantify, and even harder to qualify. |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 12:21:37 PM EDT
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Sullenburger said his entire career was carefully putting small deposits in his experience bank for one very large withdrawal. I don't think we have a pilot shortage in this country. The numbers don't lie. There are still Y+X ATPs for Y new hire slots. What we have, IMO, is an experience deficit, and that is FAR more difficult to quantify, and even harder to qualify. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Truth. You only get so many " oh shit" moments in this profession. Sometimes it's just the one. Sullenburger said his entire career was carefully putting small deposits in his experience bank for one very large withdrawal. I don't think we have a pilot shortage in this country. The numbers don't lie. There are still Y+X ATPs for Y new hire slots. What we have, IMO, is an experience deficit, and that is FAR more difficult to quantify, and even harder to qualify. I would have considered going into the profession in my younger years if the pay was better and the industry wasn't so volatile/cyclical. |
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Posted: 1/12/2017 8:49:33 AM EDT
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Posted on ABC 15. Something tells me that she knew the guy was a poor pilot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Posted on ABC 15. Something tells me that she knew the guy was a poor pilot. This guy obviously failed aviation decision making 101, and was in way over his head, but considering it was his EX wife, I wouldn't put much weight on this one piece of the puzzle. My Ex freaked out every time I talked about taking our son flying, and I'm not what I'd call low time. No worries though, my son has absolutely zero interest in aviation or airplanes. His mom's putting him on Adderall, coupled with the ADHD diagnosis seals the deal, she won't ever have to worry about him becoming another "asshole pilot". Quoted:
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That makes sense.....I know quite a few folks who are successful and can see their ego writing checks their ass can't cash. One of them owns a jet and I am amazed he is still flying. One of those guys who is never wrong and once they make their mind up it's no changing it. I don't think I would ever fly with him if he were PIC. My wife got me a shirt that says "I'm a Pilot, so let's just assume I'm never wrong." I rolled my eyes and thought to myself, well, now I know why no airplanes EVER crash.
And no, I won't be wearing it. I'll take that shirt off your hands I'd wear it! |
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Posted: 1/12/2017 12:02:33 PM EDT
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This guy obviously failed aviation decision making 101, and was in way over his head, but considering it was his EX wife, I wouldn't put much weight on this one piece of the puzzle. My Ex freaked out every time I talked about taking our son flying, and I'm not what I'd call low time. No worries though, my son has absolutely zero interest in aviation or airplanes. His mom's putting him on Adderall, coupled with the ADHD diagnosis seals the deal, she won't ever have to worry about him becoming another "asshole pilot". I'd wear it! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted on ABC 15. Something tells me that she knew the guy was a poor pilot. This guy obviously failed aviation decision making 101, and was in way over his head, but considering it was his EX wife, I wouldn't put much weight on this one piece of the puzzle. My Ex freaked out every time I talked about taking our son flying, and I'm not what I'd call low time. No worries though, my son has absolutely zero interest in aviation or airplanes. His mom's putting him on Adderall, coupled with the ADHD diagnosis seals the deal, she won't ever have to worry about him becoming another "asshole pilot". Quoted:
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That makes sense.....I know quite a few folks who are successful and can see their ego writing checks their ass can't cash. One of them owns a jet and I am amazed he is still flying. One of those guys who is never wrong and once they make their mind up it's no changing it. I don't think I would ever fly with him if he were PIC. My wife got me a shirt that says "I'm a Pilot, so let's just assume I'm never wrong." I rolled my eyes and thought to myself, well, now I know why no airplanes EVER crash.
And no, I won't be wearing it. I'll take that shirt off your hands I'd wear it! @dr_nimslow If your son really wants to fly when he gets older there is a way to overturn the ADD diagnosis, it's just going to cost a few k. |
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Posted: 1/12/2017 2:13:03 PM EDT
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The answer to the ADHD diagnosis is flying gliders for fun and having a real job.
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Posted: 1/12/2017 6:36:12 PM EDT
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When I saw the news reports on that guy augering in near Payson, all I could think of was the time of his departure and the weather on his route. It was almost dark, and he was heading into known rain/snow/overcast, and into rising terrain.
Now I see in this thread the guy wasn't even IFR, and didn't file a flight plan. 
I never went past a VFR single engine rating, but even my limited experience tells me I would not have touched that flight plan even if I WAS rated, given the airplane in use. Plus, I am scared shitless of the idea of flying at night into that kind of terrain to begin with, weather not withstanding. My dad (now 91 y.o.) flew for the majors for 30+ years, and had a saying, which I am sure came from somewhere: There are OLD pilots and BOLD pilots, but there are NO old and bold pilots. 
I hate to suggest this, but I wonder if this pilot (an attorney by trade) let his legal ego think he could defy the laws of physics, and/or the laws of meteorology, and paid the ultimate price. Too bad he took his kids and wife with him.
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Posted: 1/13/2017 4:39:45 PM EDT
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When I saw the news reports on that guy augering in near Payson, all I could think of was the time of his departure and the weather on his route. It was almost dark, and he was heading into known rain/snow/overcast, and into rising terrain.
Now I see in this thread the guy wasn't even IFR, and didn't file a flight plan.
I never went past a VFR single engine rating, but even my limited experience tells me I would not have touched that flight plan even if I WAS rated, given the airplane in use. Plus, I am scared shitless of the idea of flying at night into that kind of terrain to begin with, weather not withstanding. My dad (now 91 y.o.) flew for the majors for 30+ years, and had a saying, which I am sure came from somewhere: There are OLD pilots and BOLD pilots, but there are NO old and bold pilots.
I hate to suggest this, but I wonder if this pilot (an attorney by trade) let his legal ego think he could defy the laws of physics, and/or the laws of meteorology, and paid the ultimate price. Too bad he took his kids and wife with him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2MVDY8o7Bs |
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Posted: 1/14/2017 1:24:49 PM EDT
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When I saw the news reports on that guy augering in near Payson, all I could think of was the time of his departure and the weather on his route. It was almost dark, and he was heading into known rain/snow/overcast, and into rising terrain.
Now I see in this thread the guy wasn't even IFR, and didn't file a flight plan.
I never went past a VFR single engine rating, but even my limited experience tells me I would not have touched that flight plan even if I WAS rated, given the airplane in use. Plus, I am scared shitless of the idea of flying at night into that kind of terrain to begin with, weather not withstanding. My dad (now 91 y.o.) flew for the majors for 30+ years, and had a saying, which I am sure came from somewhere: There are OLD pilots and BOLD pilots, but there are NO old and bold pilots.
I hate to suggest this, but I wonder if this pilot (an attorney by trade) let his legal ego think he could defy the laws of physics, and/or the laws of meteorology, and paid the ultimate price. Too bad he took his kids and wife with him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2MVDY8o7Bs 
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Posted: 1/20/2017 7:17:15 PM EDT
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An unchecked ego and a cockpit are more deadly than a match and gasoline. Clearly he was not thinking.
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Posted: 1/21/2017 8:30:45 AM EDT
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dupe
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Posted: 1/21/2017 8:30:57 AM EDT
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Have to wonder if he wasn't intentionally committing suicide. With his limited experience it is beyond idiotic trying to make that flight at night even in perfect weather.
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Posted: 1/21/2017 8:51:42 AM EDT
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Have to wonder if he wasn't intentionally committing suicide. With his limited experience it is beyond idiotic trying to make that flight at night even in perfect weather. Hangar talk suggests he had a HUGE ego and a problem with keeping his temper under control with his female partners.... |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 9:25:48 AM EDT
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Have to wonder if he wasn't intentionally committing suicide. With his limited experience it is beyond idiotic trying to make that flight at night even in perfect weather. unlikely. It is more common than you would like for someone like him to allow their ego and income to write checks their skills can't cash. Very sad for his family. I hope his ex gets some legal vengeance on the court system for forcing her to allow her children to be killed by him. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 10:39:33 AM EDT
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unlikely. It is more common than you would like for someone like him to allow their ego and income to write checks their skills can't cash. Very sad for his family. I hope his ex gets some legal vengeance on the court system for forcing her to allow her children to be killed by him. I'm of the understanding that there was a court order in place prohibiting him from taking his kids on this flight. Not sure what else the court could do. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 12:50:15 PM EDT
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I'm of the understanding that there was a court order in place prohibiting him from taking his kids on this flight. Not sure what else the court could do. I will reread the case. I was under the impression the court would not grant the order. BRB edit:I see that there was an agreement in the divorce that the kids would not fly with less than a commercial pilot (which he was not) and that she took him to court over it....not clear if it is a different court deal or not. Still very, very sad. Kids should have never been on that plane. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 1:04:29 PM EDT
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I still can't get over why VFR pilots fly into IMC.
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Posted: 1/21/2017 2:11:47 PM EDT
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I still can't get over why VFR pilots fly into IMC. Case of get-home-itis leads them to try it in conditions that are borderline. They make it, and decide that it wasn't all that bad, which leads to the next time. Sooner or later, reality steps in. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 5:00:29 PM EDT
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I still can't get over why VFR pilots fly into IMC. How hard could it be?
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Posted: 1/21/2017 6:25:01 PM EDT
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Case of get-home-itis leads them to try it in conditions that are borderline. They make it, and decide that it wasn't all that bad, which leads to the next time. Sooner or later, reality steps in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I still can't get over why VFR pilots fly into IMC. Case of get-home-itis leads them to try it in conditions that are borderline. They make it, and decide that it wasn't all that bad, which leads to the next time. Sooner or later, reality steps in. I guess some people think they can do anything and it won't happen to them. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 6:26:06 PM EDT
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I still can't get over why VFR pilots fly into IMC. How hard could it be? Suuuper easy lol |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 8:33:40 AM EDT
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unlikely. It is more common than you would like for someone like him to allow their ego and income to write checks their skills can't cash. Very sad for his family. I hope his ex gets some legal vengeance on the court system for forcing her to allow her children to be killed by him. Sounds like it may be just another reckless asshole in an airplane. I wonder if he had ever made that trip during the day. Flyiing around mountains is serious business, even in daylight. Night flying can be just as disorienting and dangerous as flying IFR weather. Add in mountainous terrain to night flying in remote areas and you have a fairly challenging trip. NTSB database is filled with stories like these. It's always sad when the pilot takes other people down with him. |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 11:43:28 AM EDT
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Sounds like it may be just another reckless asshole in an airplane. I wonder if he had ever made that trip during the day. Flyiing around mountains is serious business, even in daylight. Night flying can be just as disorienting and dangerous as flying IFR weather. Add in mountainous terrain to night flying in remote areas and you have a fairly challenging trip. NTSB database is filled with stories like these. It's always sad when the pilot takes other people down with him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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unlikely. It is more common than you would like for someone like him to allow their ego and income to write checks their skills can't cash. Very sad for his family. I hope his ex gets some legal vengeance on the court system for forcing her to allow her children to be killed by him. Sounds like it may be just another reckless asshole in an airplane. I wonder if he had ever made that trip during the day. Flyiing around mountains is serious business, even in daylight. Night flying can be just as disorienting and dangerous as flying IFR weather. Add in mountainous terrain to night flying in remote areas and you have a fairly challenging trip. NTSB database is filled with stories like these. It's always sad when the pilot takes other people down with him. I'm so glad there's no mountains down here or the places I want to fly |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 12:13:27 PM EDT
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unlikely. It is more common than you would like for someone like him to allow their ego and income to write checks their skills can't cash. Very sad for his family. I hope his ex gets some legal vengeance on the court system for forcing her to allow her children to be killed by him. Sounds like it may be just another reckless asshole in an airplane. I wonder if he had ever made that trip during the day. Flyiing around mountains is serious business, even in daylight. Night flying can be just as disorienting and dangerous as flying IFR weather. Add in mountainous terrain to night flying in remote areas and you have a fairly challenging trip. NTSB database is filled with stories like these. It's always sad when the pilot takes other people down with him. I'm so glad there's no mountains down here or the places I want to fly VFR pilot into IFR is almost always fatal, mountains or not. See JFK jr. |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 12:19:18 PM EDT
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unlikely. It is more common than you would like for someone like him to allow their ego and income to write checks their skills can't cash. Very sad for his family. I hope his ex gets some legal vengeance on the court system for forcing her to allow her children to be killed by him. Sounds like it may be just another reckless asshole in an airplane. I wonder if he had ever made that trip during the day. Flyiing around mountains is serious business, even in daylight. Night flying can be just as disorienting and dangerous as flying IFR weather. Add in mountainous terrain to night flying in remote areas and you have a fairly challenging trip. NTSB database is filled with stories like these. It's always sad when the pilot takes other people down with him. I'm so glad there's no mountains down here or the places I want to fly VFR pilot into IFR is almost always fatal, mountains or not. See JFK jr. I know what you mean, I saw that Air Safety institute video with the sim and the VFR pilots getting thrown into the Sim. I meant that It's tough enough flying over flat land that I couldn't imagine having to climb out over mountains and adjust for AGL vs MSL. |
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I still can't get over why VFR pilots fly into IMC. How hard could it be? Really. You just fly into it.
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Posted: 1/22/2017 7:48:33 PM EDT
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I know what you mean, I saw that Air Safety institute video with the sim and the VFR pilots getting thrown into the Sim. I meant that It's tough enough flying over flat land that I couldn't imagine having to climb out over mountains and adjust for AGL vs MSL. Yep, get your private then jump into instrument right away. Its that important. |
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