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Posted: 10/18/2016 8:35:46 PM EDT
Post something obscure, rare, idiosyncratic, or weird. Fighter, bomber, transport, sport plane, kit plane, I don't care. Please. I feel like there's nothing left to learn.
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F9C-2 Sparrowhawk. The Curtiss F9C Sparrowhawk was a light 1930s biplane fighter aircraft that was carried by the United States Navy airships USS Akron and Macon. It is an example of a parasite fighter, a small airplane designed to be deployed from a larger aircraft such as an airship or bomber. |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/F9C-2_Sparrowhawk_fighter.jpg F9C-2 Sparrowhawk. The Curtiss F9C Sparrowhawk was a light 1930s biplane fighter aircraft that was carried by the United States Navy airships USS Akron and Macon. It is an example of a parasite fighter, a small airplane designed to be deployed from a larger aircraft such as an airship or bomber. View Quote LOL. I posted corrective info on that one to wikipedia. |
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How about the Horton Wingless it used a cessna uc-78 bamboo bomber (like sky king) inboard wings and powerplant. It flew well. Howard Hughes had it stopped from development. Lots of dirty deals and tricks . http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/14/9c/bc/149cbc7d7ab3315067f485188b051e00.jpg View Quote Cool! Never saw that before. |
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View Quote +1 I've seen many air cars and flying jeeps but not this particular one which is actually surprising. |
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How about the Jacuzzi (that jacuzzi) Cabin Monoplane? Not much info on this one. Because its obscure, and an interesting heritage, I have been wanting to design a scale RC model of it. I spent a good bit of time digging up what info I could, articles, 3-views, photos on line, to do that. Now I just need some CAD skills. I am only slightly competent with sketchup. http://www.genplac.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Jacuzzi-Monoplane.jpg They built two designs, one an open cockpit monplane. After one of the brothers was killed in the one in the photo, during a flying accident over the sierra madres (I think it was there), they pretty much got out of the airplane building business. They may have continued to make propellers for a while. View Quote New to me. Any plan views? |
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Campbell Model F Flivver. Designed in the mid 1930s when the government and NACA wanted to promote cheap and safe private air transportation. A number of other flying flivvers as they were called were designed. This one was my favorite of the bunch. Very little information exists anymore on this design. Another one that I want to design as an RC model. http://youtu.be/K6cSsG6ASR4 View Quote Nope. Seen that before. |
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Quoted: LOL. I posted corrective info on that one to wikipedia. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/F9C-2_Sparrowhawk_fighter.jpg F9C-2 Sparrowhawk. The Curtiss F9C Sparrowhawk was a light 1930s biplane fighter aircraft that was carried by the United States Navy airships USS Akron and Macon. It is an example of a parasite fighter, a small airplane designed to be deployed from a larger aircraft such as an airship or bomber. LOL. I posted corrective info on that one to wikipedia. Too funny, not a lot of people know about them. I used to work in Hanger 1. I've been up in the catwalks many times, re-enlisted on the top when I was at 31. The Macon was big enough that the fabic skin was in arms reach of the riggers from them. ETA: Here's another one. The Goblin Used to see this just down the line from the VFP-63 Hangar at Miramar in the early 60's as a kid |
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Too funny, not a lot of people know about them. I used to work in Hanger 1. I've been up in the catwalks many times, re-enlisted on the top when I was at 31. The Macon was big enough that the fabic skin was in arms reach of the riggers from them. ETA: Here's another one. https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--oVNotCab--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/1473718614842468500.jpg The Goblin https://youtu.be/g46q-RUkAmc View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/F9C-2_Sparrowhawk_fighter.jpg F9C-2 Sparrowhawk. The Curtiss F9C Sparrowhawk was a light 1930s biplane fighter aircraft that was carried by the United States Navy airships USS Akron and Macon. It is an example of a parasite fighter, a small airplane designed to be deployed from a larger aircraft such as an airship or bomber. LOL. I posted corrective info on that one to wikipedia. Too funny, not a lot of people know about them. I used to work in Hanger 1. I've been up in the catwalks many times, re-enlisted on the top when I was at 31. The Macon was big enough that the fabic skin was in arms reach of the riggers from them. ETA: Here's another one. https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--oVNotCab--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/1473718614842468500.jpg The Goblin https://youtu.be/g46q-RUkAmc Yeah, I know that one, too. And all the other FICON stuff. The last F9 is at the Udavar-Hazy IIRC. Pretty cool plane and concept. I've also been to where the Shenandoah crashed (though I know she was never an aircraft carrier). |
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http://data6.primeportal.net/models/mike_maynard/p6m_seamaster/images/p6m_seamaster_01_of_16.jpg An actually survivable airbreathing bomber. View Quote |
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Quoted: The Pohl Giant is so obscure, it was never finished. But here's a pic of what it would have looked like: http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k132/JosG2006/MannesmannPollGiantTriplane.jpg One of its wheels: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRPQVtzsYjK11yrwlTu_82mT7y9bMNo0BBxTHsNtXZEvPxvdqkl There's some dispute as to its intended usage. Some think that it was designed to make a single run to New York and drop a single bomb on the Empire State Building; it would then ditch in the ocean and the crew would be picked up by a U-boat. Others say it would have had too short a range, and would have been used to bomb London. It was featured in an Indiana Jones movie, just 'cause it looked so badass: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/indianajones/images/4/46/Inspecting_the_Giant.png/revision/latest?cb=20101108090235 View Quote Umm when was that in Indiana Jones? I've got all the tapes and the DVDs and I don't recall it |
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FMA IAe 33 Pulqui II
The FMA IAe 33 Pulqui II (in the indigenous language Mapuche, Pulqúi: Arrow) was a jet fighter aircraft designed by Kurt Tank in the late 1940s in Argentina, under the Perón government, and built by the Fábrica Militar de Aviones (FMA). Embodying many of the design elements of the wartime Focke-Wulf Ta 183, an unrealized fighter project, the FMA envisioned the IAe 33 Pulqui II as a successor to the postwar Gloster Meteor F4 in service with the Fuerza Aérea Argentina. The Pulqui II's development was comparatively problematic and lengthy, with two of the four prototypes being lost in fatal crashes. Despite one of the prototypes being successfully tested in combat during the Revolucion Libertadora, the political, economic and technical challenges faced by the project meant that the IAe 33 was unable to reach its full potential, and the Argentine government ultimately chose to purchase F-86 Sabres from the United States in lieu of continuing development of the indigenous fighter to production status. |
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Quoted: Umm when was that in Indiana Jones? I've got all the tapes and the DVDs and I don't recall it View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The Pohl Giant is so obscure, it was never finished. But here's a pic of what it would have looked like: http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k132/JosG2006/MannesmannPollGiantTriplane.jpg One of its wheels: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRPQVtzsYjK11yrwlTu_82mT7y9bMNo0BBxTHsNtXZEvPxvdqkl There's some dispute as to its intended usage. Some think that it was designed to make a single run to New York and drop a single bomb on the Empire State Building; it would then ditch in the ocean and the crew would be picked up by a U-boat. Others say it would have had too short a range, and would have been used to bomb London. It was featured in an Indiana Jones movie, just 'cause it looked so badass: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/indianajones/images/4/46/Inspecting_the_Giant.png/revision/latest?cb=20101108090235 Umm when was that in Indiana Jones? I've got all the tapes and the DVDs and I don't recall it |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Pohl Giant is so obscure, it was never finished. But here's a pic of what it would have looked like: http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k132/JosG2006/MannesmannPollGiantTriplane.jpg One of its wheels: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRPQVtzsYjK11yrwlTu_82mT7y9bMNo0BBxTHsNtXZEvPxvdqkl There's some dispute as to its intended usage. Some think that it was designed to make a single run to New York and drop a single bomb on the Empire State Building; it would then ditch in the ocean and the crew would be picked up by a U-boat. Others say it would have had too short a range, and would have been used to bomb London. It was featured in an Indiana Jones movie, just 'cause it looked so badass: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/indianajones/images/4/46/Inspecting_the_Giant.png/revision/latest?cb=20101108090235 Umm when was that in Indiana Jones? I've got all the tapes and the DVDs and I don't recall it Ohh I've only watched the pilot to that |
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How about a Trislander http://cdn-www.airliners.net/photos/airliners/0/0/5/1212500.jpg?v=v40 View Quote There's one! Cool. |
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The Pohl Giant is so obscure, it was never finished. But here's a pic of what it would have looked like: http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k132/JosG2006/MannesmannPollGiantTriplane.jpg One of its wheels: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRPQVtzsYjK11yrwlTu_82mT7y9bMNo0BBxTHsNtXZEvPxvdqkl There's some dispute as to its intended usage. Some think that it was designed to make a single run to New York and drop a single bomb on the Empire State Building; it would then ditch in the ocean and the crew would be picked up by a U-boat. Others say it would have had too short a range, and would have been used to bomb London. It was featured in an Indiana Jones movie, just 'cause it looked so badass: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/indianajones/images/4/46/Inspecting_the_Giant.png/revision/latest?cb=20101108090235 View Quote Young Indiana Jones TV show. Saw that. |
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FMA IAe 33 Pulqui II https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Pulqui_II_04.jpg The FMA IAe 33 Pulqui II (in the indigenous language Mapuche, Pulqúi: Arrow) was a jet fighter aircraft designed by Kurt Tank in the late 1940s in Argentina, under the Perón government, and built by the Fábrica Militar de Aviones (FMA). Embodying many of the design elements of the wartime Focke-Wulf Ta 183, an unrealized fighter project, the FMA envisioned the IAe 33 Pulqui II as a successor to the postwar Gloster Meteor F4 in service with the Fuerza Aérea Argentina. The Pulqui II's development was comparatively problematic and lengthy, with two of the four prototypes being lost in fatal crashes. Despite one of the prototypes being successfully tested in combat during the Revolucion Libertadora, the political, economic and technical challenges faced by the project meant that the IAe 33 was unable to reach its full potential, and the Argentine government ultimately chose to purchase F-86 Sabres from the United States in lieu of continuing development of the indigenous fighter to production status. View Quote |
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Quoted: Quoted: FMA IAe 33 Pulqui II https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Pulqui_II_04.jpg The FMA IAe 33 Pulqui II (in the indigenous language Mapuche, Pulqúi: Arrow) was a jet fighter aircraft designed by Kurt Tank in the late 1940s in Argentina, under the Perón government, and built by the Fábrica Militar de Aviones (FMA). Embodying many of the design elements of the wartime Focke-Wulf Ta 183, an unrealized fighter project, the FMA envisioned the IAe 33 Pulqui II as a successor to the postwar Gloster Meteor F4 in service with the Fuerza Aérea Argentina. The Pulqui II's development was comparatively problematic and lengthy, with two of the four prototypes being lost in fatal crashes. Despite one of the prototypes being successfully tested in combat during the Revolucion Libertadora, the political, economic and technical challenges faced by the project meant that the IAe 33 was unable to reach its full potential, and the Argentine government ultimately chose to purchase F-86 Sabres from the United States in lieu of continuing development of the indigenous fighter to production status. |
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FMA IAe 33 Pulqui II https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Pulqui_II_04.jpg The FMA IAe 33 Pulqui II (in the indigenous language Mapuche, Pulqúi: Arrow) was a jet fighter aircraft designed by Kurt Tank in the late 1940s in Argentina, under the Perón government, and built by the Fábrica Militar de Aviones (FMA). Embodying many of the design elements of the wartime Focke-Wulf Ta 183, an unrealized fighter project, the FMA envisioned the IAe 33 Pulqui II as a successor to the postwar Gloster Meteor F4 in service with the Fuerza Aérea Argentina. The Pulqui II's development was comparatively problematic and lengthy, with two of the four prototypes being lost in fatal crashes. Despite one of the prototypes being successfully tested in combat during the Revolucion Libertadora, the political, economic and technical challenges faced by the project meant that the IAe 33 was unable to reach its full potential, and the Argentine government ultimately chose to purchase F-86 Sabres from the United States in lieu of continuing development of the indigenous fighter to production status. Yeah, I don't think they were, even here. |
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Not obscure aircraft, but some neat facts.
This is the prototype North American XP-86 (later XF-86) Sabre (Ser. No. 45-59597), with George "Wheaties" Welch at the controls. The wing was designed with leading-edge slats. However, when it came time to manufacture the wing for the prototype (and the first seven airframes built) they couldn't quite get the slats to work properly. But, the engineers were aware of another aircraft which did have working slats. So, they cannibalized the slat rails and slat locks from those aircraft and installed them on the prototype Sabre jets. After some modification, they worked perfectly. The type of aircraft that they pulled those parts off of for installation on the earliest Sabres? This one: So, the first seven F-86 Sabres took to the air using parts from the first operational jet-powered fighter, the Me-262. With respect to the Sabre family, it was related to North American's first jet fighter design for the Navy, the North American FJ-1 Fury. The FJ-1 wasn't all that distinguished beyond the aircraft family it spawned. In fact, just a little more than 30 airframes were built and it was gone from the fleet by 1953. However, it's wing would live on (in derived form) on another airframe that would serve the US Navy and train successive generations of Naval Aviators up until 2008. In fact, it only left Navy (VX-20) service last year. The T-2 Buckeye. Still in service with Greece, but not for long. . . |
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How about a Trislander http://cdn-www.airliners.net/photos/airliners/0/0/5/1212500.jpg?v=v40 There's one! Cool. Pretty, isn't she? |
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How about the AT-10 Wichita, a twin engine trainer used in WWII. <a href="http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jblomenberg16/media/Wright%20Patterson%20AFB%20Museum/DSC_0745_zpsvdod3zmn.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd136/jblomenberg16/Wright%20Patterson%20AFB%20Museum/DSC_0745_zpsvdod3zmn.jpg</a> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_AT-10_Wichita The former army airbase in my hometown was one of the major users of this aircraft. View Quote IIRC one of those was on the flight line at the Chino Planes of Fame museum. The B-17 gets all the glory, but its predecessor was the Douglas B-18 Bolo. |
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FMA IAe 33 Pulqui II https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Pulqui_II_04.jpg The FMA IAe 33 Pulqui II (in the indigenous language Mapuche, Pulqúi: Arrow) was a jet fighter aircraft designed by Kurt Tank in the late 1940s in Argentina, under the Perón government, and built by the Fábrica Militar de Aviones (FMA). Embodying many of the design elements of the wartime Focke-Wulf Ta 183, an unrealized fighter project, the FMA envisioned the IAe 33 Pulqui II as a successor to the postwar Gloster Meteor F4 in service with the Fuerza Aérea Argentina. The Pulqui II's development was comparatively problematic and lengthy, with two of the four prototypes being lost in fatal crashes. Despite one of the prototypes being successfully tested in combat during the Revolucion Libertadora, the political, economic and technical challenges faced by the project meant that the IAe 33 was unable to reach its full potential, and the Argentine government ultimately chose to purchase F-86 Sabres from the United States in lieu of continuing development of the indigenous fighter to production status. Getting the straw percentage in the wing adobe correct has always been a real challenge for Latin American aircraft companies. |
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Here's a couple of obscure one-off's. The Cessna 620, the only four engine Cessna ever built. <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/11-25-14/Cessna-620_zpsebxghzkj.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/11-25-14/Cessna-620_zpsebxghzkj.jpg</a> The McDonell 119/220. Competition to the Lockheed Jetstar. <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/11-25-14/Model220blog1_zpsucyd7b1t.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/11-25-14/Model220blog1_zpsucyd7b1t.jpg</a> View Quote Is the McDonnell still sitting in ELP? I always wanted to go check it out, but was never able too, just taxied really slow by it. |
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Is the McDonnell still sitting in ELP? I always wanted to go check it out, but was never able too, just taxied really slow by it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Here's a couple of obscure one-off's. The Cessna 620, the only four engine Cessna ever built. <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/11-25-14/Cessna-620_zpsebxghzkj.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/11-25-14/Cessna-620_zpsebxghzkj.jpg</a> The McDonell 119/220. Competition to the Lockheed Jetstar. <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/11-25-14/Model220blog1_zpsucyd7b1t.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/11-25-14/Model220blog1_zpsucyd7b1t.jpg</a> Is the McDonnell still sitting in ELP? I always wanted to go check it out, but was never able too, just taxied really slow by it. It was the last time I had a long layover there, but that was a few years ago. |
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Quoted: Getting the straw percentage in the wing adobe correct has always been a real challenge for Latin American aircraft companies. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: FMA IAe 33 Pulqui II https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Pulqui_II_04.jpg The FMA IAe 33 Pulqui II (in the indigenous language Mapuche, Pulqúi: Arrow) was a jet fighter aircraft designed by Kurt Tank in the late 1940s in Argentina, under the Perón government, and built by the Fábrica Militar de Aviones (FMA). Embodying many of the design elements of the wartime Focke-Wulf Ta 183, an unrealized fighter project, the FMA envisioned the IAe 33 Pulqui II as a successor to the postwar Gloster Meteor F4 in service with the Fuerza Aérea Argentina. The Pulqui II's development was comparatively problematic and lengthy, with two of the four prototypes being lost in fatal crashes. Despite one of the prototypes being successfully tested in combat during the Revolucion Libertadora, the political, economic and technical challenges faced by the project meant that the IAe 33 was unable to reach its full potential, and the Argentine government ultimately chose to purchase F-86 Sabres from the United States in lieu of continuing development of the indigenous fighter to production status. Getting the straw percentage in the wing adobe correct has always been a real challenge for Latin American aircraft companies. |
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http://data6.primeportal.net/models/mike_maynard/p6m_seamaster/images/p6m_seamaster_01_of_16.jpg An actually survivable airbreathing bomber. I get it, but I went with the model because it shows how far ahead Martin and the Navy were from the USAF. Low observable features, quick rearm, measures to allow forward maintenance, all in 1953. |
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_Lysander
I always thought this plane looked neat. Weird wings. |
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Fairey Swordfish torpedo bomber. Obsolete by the start of WWII, she still was tough enough to deliver a crippling blow to the German battleship Bismarck, which damaged her rudder such that the Royal Navy could deliver some British ass-whoopin' on one of the largest battleships in the world at the time! http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/aircraft/Swordfish_W5856_restored_isleofwight_Colour.jpg http://img.wallpaperfolder.com/f/4AD9A9F36A79/fairey-swordfish-british-bomb-torpedo.jpg https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTATu8qYN3lsPEB0v4a1bpN9pOcwu0Uaz_x5db0ghEf1F3waHx_3Q View Quote As I remember reading; obsolescence is what made it effective. It flew too low and slow for the Bismark's guns to track it effectively. Or maybe that's aviation's equivalent of the old "5.56 bullets tumble which is what makes it so deadly." |
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