Awesome F-22 Demo. Imagine an F-4 trying this.

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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Awesome F-22 Demo. Imagine an F-4 trying this.

Posted: 9/24/2016 11:36:42 PM EDT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8zPh8kAcAU

Posted: 9/24/2016 11:57:48 PM EDT

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Years ago I watched them free fall at the Andrews air show. Can't wait to see where the pilots take it in another decade or two.

Posted: 9/25/2016 12:39:18 AM EDT

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Kicking it's little feet like a duck.

Posted: 9/26/2016 10:31:29 PM EDT

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I saw an F-22 at an air show last year. It was absolutely amazing.

Posted: 9/26/2016 10:37:10 PM EDT

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That plane loves to fly so much.

Posted: 9/26/2016 10:44:02 PM EDT

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The USAF said they needed 400 or so of these, then the program was canceled because the F35 would be operational shortly...That was eight years ago. We need 400-500 F22's and our allies Israel, Australia and Japan should be allowed to buy them also.

Posted: 9/27/2016 6:28:56 AM EDT

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The USAF said they needed 400 or so of these, then the program was canceled because the F35 would be operational shortly...That was eight years ago. We need 400-500 F22's and our allies Israel, Australia and Japan should be allowed to buy them also.

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I wonder if they will cut the f35 short for what is next.

Posted: 9/27/2016 6:39:52 AM EDT

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Awesome maneuvers, and really good videography too.

Posted: 9/27/2016 6:57:22 AM EDT

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That plane loves to fly so much.

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F22 is just an amazing aircraft.

Posted: 9/27/2016 7:00:41 AM EDT

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Interesting that the elevons operate independently. IAlso interesting is that the Russians still do not have entirely smokeless engines. I am assuming that the maneuvers shown are well within its' capabilities, and not revealing information of value to a potential adversary.

Posted: 9/27/2016 11:20:33 AM EDT

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Vectored thrust

Engines that seem to be almost stall-proof in tail slides and crazy yaw rates like that slow thrust vectored flat spin.

F4 hell.. The F14A would compressor stall if you yawed more than a bit.

Posted: 9/27/2016 11:27:48 AM EDT

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Vectored thrust

Engines that seem to be almost stall-proof in tail slides and crazy yaw rates like that slow thrust vectored flat spin.

F4 hell.. The F14A would compressor stall if you yawed more than a bit.

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That's supposed to be an Achilles Heel for new Raptor pilots.
Since 22°/sec turn rate isn't hot rod enough, they'll thrust vector to push the nose around faster, killing their airspeed.

That's when the Vipers pounce on them.

Posted: 9/27/2016 12:09:43 PM EDT

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Interesting that the elevons operate independently. IAlso interesting is that the Russians still do not have entirely smokeless engines. I am assuming that the maneuvers shown are well within its' capabilities, and not revealing information of value to a potential adversary.

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You would be surprised what an airshow can reveal about an aircraft's performance. However, perf usually isn't what is withheld or what wins the war.

Most FBW control surfaces can and will operate independently. Some aircraft have failure modes in which control surfaces won't operate and it will be transparent to the pilot as far as aero performance (bells and whistles will be going off).

Posted: 9/28/2016 11:29:45 AM EDT

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Planes shouldn't be able to do that!

I saw the Raptor demo team at Nellis 2 years ago. I'm going again this year with my dad (F4 Navigator) to watch the last flight of the Phantom.

Posted: 10/2/2016 9:14:08 PM EDT

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Comparing an F-22 to an F-4 is silly. It'd be like asking a Jenny to go supersonic.

In its day the Phantom was a heck of an airplane. The F-22 though amazing likely won't last as long as a front line aircraft. That isn't a slight to the F-22. Improvements in construction materials alone are coming are some pretty rapid rates.

Posted: 10/2/2016 10:09:33 PM EDT

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Comparing an F-22 to an F-4 is silly. It'd be like asking a Jenny to go supersonic.

In its day the Phantom was a heck of an airplane. The F-22 though amazing likely won't last as long as a front line aircraft. That isn't a slight to the F-22. Improvements in construction materials alone are coming are some pretty rapid rates.

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As a front line fighter f4 20 maybe 25 years; later years weren't as a front line fighter. The F22 has been 10, about half way there. The acquisitions cycle is rediciulously long now; I wouldn't be surprised if it surpasses the f4 in length of time as a front line fighter.

Posted: 10/2/2016 11:43:58 PM EDT

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Amazing control surface action... Not just the amount of deflection, but the rate too. Impressive on so many levels.

Posted: 10/2/2016 11:45:53 PM EDT

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Comparing an F-22 to an F-4 is silly. It'd be like asking a Jenny to go supersonic.

In its day the Phantom was a heck of an airplane. The F-22 though amazing likely won't last as long as a front line aircraft. That isn't a slight to the F-22. Improvements in construction materials alone are coming are some pretty rapid rates.

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We certainly didn't build 5500 F-22s either, or operate them with three services. The F-35 can't hold a candle to the capability and versatility the might Phantom II brought to the table, and I doubt it ever will.

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