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Posted: 3/24/2015 8:23:56 AM EDT
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I just saw that, looks like they had a rapid decompression event.
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Posted: 3/24/2015 8:51:16 AM EDT
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Unfortunately there's so much one can cut in costs when operating a corporation, let alone some like airlines. Sorry for the victims.
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Posted: 3/24/2015 8:55:18 AM EDT
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Hasn't there been several uncommanded autopilot hardovers in airbus aircraft recently. Ones that require circuit breaker pulling to stop?
RIP to the pax |
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Posted: 3/24/2015 8:59:34 AM EDT
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Wow, weather clear and calm, mayday call was made with a rapid decent requested. It does sound like a rapid depressurization, but the question is why. Two KM is a pretty big debris field too, it's way to early to speculate, but this one could end up being a bomb IMO.
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Posted: 3/24/2015 9:00:03 AM EDT
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I don't know that Germanwings being an LCC necessarily indicates some sort of deficiency in technical or pilot proficiency. It's a Lufthansa operation. Of course, that said, who'd have thought an experienced Air France crew could lose an A330 over the Atlantic.
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Posted: 3/24/2015 9:20:50 AM EDT
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I don't know that Germanwings being an LCC necessarily indicates some sort of deficiency in technical or pilot proficiency. It's a Lufthansa operation. Of course, that said, who'd have thought an experienced Air France crew could lose an A330 over the Atlantic. The AF incident was at night in weather. Lufthansa has one of the most challenging testing and hiring processes that I've ever seen -- granted, I don't know how relevant some of their tests are to the flying skills of the pilots, but they're certainly tough. They include a bunch of items that look like the standard IQ tests that we would take back in school. I'm guessing that our domestic airlines don't use them because there's concern that such tests may be racist. |
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Posted: 3/24/2015 9:56:53 AM EDT
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Article says the aircraft was 24 years old. That's pretty old for a mainline (Lufthansa) aircraft isn't it.?
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Posted: 3/24/2015 10:57:43 AM EDT
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The AF incident was at night in weather. Lufthansa has one of the most challenging testing and hiring processes that I've ever seen -- granted, I don't know how relevant some of their tests are to the flying skills of the pilots, but they're certainly tough. They include a bunch of items that look like the standard IQ tests that we would take back in school. I'm guessing that our domestic airlines don't use them because there's concern that such tests may be racist. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't know that Germanwings being an LCC necessarily indicates some sort of deficiency in technical or pilot proficiency. It's a Lufthansa operation. Of course, that said, who'd have thought an experienced Air France crew could lose an A330 over the Atlantic. The AF incident was at night in weather. Lufthansa has one of the most challenging testing and hiring processes that I've ever seen -- granted, I don't know how relevant some of their tests are to the flying skills of the pilots, but they're certainly tough. They include a bunch of items that look like the standard IQ tests that we would take back in school. I'm guessing that our domestic airlines don't use them because there's concern that such tests may be racist. For now, the U.S. pilot hiring continues to track with experience, while the Euro one is credential based, by and large |
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Posted: 3/24/2015 11:53:56 AM EDT
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Wow, weather clear and calm, mayday call was made with a rapid decent requested. It does sound like a rapid depressurization, but the question is why. Two KM is a pretty big debris field too, it's way to early to speculate, but this one could end up being a bomb IMO. Did this happen during daylight hours or nighttime hours? |
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Posted: 3/24/2015 12:01:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did this happen during daylight hours or nighttime hours? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wow, weather clear and calm, mayday call was made with a rapid decent requested. It does sound like a rapid depressurization, but the question is why. Two KM is a pretty big debris field too, it's way to early to speculate, but this one could end up being a bomb IMO. Did this happen during daylight hours or nighttime hours? |
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Posted: 3/24/2015 12:03:21 PM EDT
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I'm tagging this one.
Please try and keep wacky speculation to a minimum, or go to the GD thread. |
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Posted: 3/24/2015 12:55:02 PM EDT
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CNN reporting no distress call made from plane.
- 10:30 a.m.: Air traffic controllers sent out a distress signal after controllers became concerned at the loss of radio contact with the doomed Germanwings plane and the speed of the plane's descent, a spokesperson for the French civil aviation authority said. |
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Posted: 3/24/2015 1:02:27 PM EDT
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Article says the aircraft was 24 years old. That's pretty old for a mainline (Lufthansa) aircraft isn't it.? It wasn't Lufthansa flight. It was Germanwings which is Lufthansa's low cost carrier. The plane was bought by Lufthansa in 91 I believe and eventually sent to its current operator Germanwings (where Lufthansa sends its older air frames). I read that the captain had 10 years and over 6,000 hours. |
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Posted: 3/24/2015 4:30:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hasn't there been several uncommanded autopilot hardovers in airbus aircraft recently. Ones that require circuit breaker pulling to stop? Seem to remember reading something about the fly-by-wire code's stall-protection reacting to clogged AoA sensors as if the plane had stalled, resulting in an uncommanded nose-down... 'Fix' was to pull circuit breakers on one of the fly-by-wire computers & force the plane into some sort of alternate/manual mode... |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 8:21:50 PM EDT
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Damn. . . by Nicola Clark and Dan Bilefsky
New York Times 25-March-2015 PARIS — As officials struggled Wednesday to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed in relatively clear skies, an investigator said evidence from a cockpit voice recorder indicated one pilot left the cockpit before the plane’s descent and was unable to get back in. A senior military official involved in the investigation described "very smooth, very cool” conversation between the pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Düsseldorf. Then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter. "The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” the investigator said. "And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.” He said, "You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.” While the audio seemed to give some insight into the circumstances leading up to the Germanwings crash, it also left many questions unanswered. *** REST OF THE STORY LINKED AT TITLE *** |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 8:26:06 PM EDT
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I don't know that Germanwings being an LCC necessarily indicates some sort of deficiency in technical or pilot proficiency. It's a Lufthansa operation. Of course, that said, who'd have thought an experienced Air France crew could lose an A330 over the Atlantic. That was due to pitot tubes (air pressure/speed sensors) with a defective heater that Airbus knew about and advised Air France who chose to defer maintenance. The official report after the 'official investigation' of course blamed the pilots for not responding 'properly' to failed sensors. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 6:32:23 AM EDT
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Unfortunately there's so much one can cut in costs when operating a corporation, let alone some like airlines. Sorry for the victims.
So, I was wrong about the maintenance being a cause, even though not sure it might have been better. Reason is this was not the first incident of this type (one of the crewmembers crash the plane). Unfortunately it may not be the last. What will this do to the trust that must exist between pilot and co-pilot? Or even between them and the passenger cabin's crew? And how about the way airlines assess the crew's flight readiness? And the passengers' trust on the crew? |
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