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Posted: 3/12/2015 1:52:23 PM EDT
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My feet freeze in the winter and sweat in the summer.
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Posted: 3/12/2015 1:54:53 PM EDT
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They are fine, it's not like we are flying in 1600g thinsulate hunting boots. Not to mention, flight "approved" boots are the most commonly ignored standard in Army Aviation.
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Posted: 3/12/2015 3:39:27 PM EDT
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GEAR - UP
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Posted: 3/12/2015 3:41:44 PM EDT
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GEAR - UP AUTOPILOT - ON BOOTS - OFF As fucked up as that sounds... After a late night medevac was over my PC realized he flew the mission in his shower shoes... That was a long night. |
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Posted: 3/12/2015 3:51:06 PM EDT
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......... or do you even notice them? Never noticed them. If I had to eject, I'd rather have had boots on, than flip flops. |
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Posted: 3/12/2015 3:54:37 PM EDT
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I don't like the steel toe, to heavy. I don't think it hurts rudder skills. I'd rather have something lighter, but if on fire or ejection they work.
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Posted: 3/12/2015 5:03:00 PM EDT
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I don't like the steel toe, to heavy. I don't think it hurts rudder skills. I'd rather have something lighter, but if on fire or ejection they work. I know some guys who have the steel caps taken out and the boot resoled. |
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Posted: 3/12/2015 6:04:55 PM EDT
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I see a lot of guys flying in them.. They can't be good for your rudder skills or do you even notice them? When I finally replaced my last pair boots after 7 years I thought about it for almost 9 seconds when my feet first touched the pedals. |
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Posted: 3/12/2015 6:13:40 PM EDT
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I liked flying in combat boots. I would tie them really tight to increase my G tolerance
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Posted: 3/12/2015 6:46:36 PM EDT
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I wear size 15 boots. My newest set from RFI have like 2" thick heels. It sucks, but I am used to them. I do prefer to fly in my Garmonts, but I try to set a good example to my young PIs.
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Posted: 3/12/2015 7:46:52 PM EDT
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I honestly prefer boots, but most airlines require shoes.
In light airplanes, boots are about the only fire protection you wear. |
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Posted: 3/12/2015 8:37:10 PM EDT
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I actually don't mind them, I fly in the Belleville 693, extremely comfortable and as others have said...kind of a necessity for ejection seat aircraft
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Posted: 3/12/2015 8:48:25 PM EDT
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I hate the issues approved boots they run tight and weird cut. I wish rocky would come out with the SV2 flight approved boot.
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Posted: 3/13/2015 1:09:19 AM EDT
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What is rudder?
But seriously, I like my Bellevilles. I've even worn them into establishments of ill repute when on cross countries and forgot shoes. They looked pretty good then too. |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 9:49:10 AM EDT
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I'm not a mil pilot, but I do fly a taildragger in the worst wind conditions you can imagine, off short strips, with 50-75+ landings a day not being unusual.
I wear work boots. I wear the same boots to aerobatics in a Decathalon. All that feel the rudders bullshit is bullshit. Stomp rudders all day in a heavy plane and you'll like thick soles and steel shanks. |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 2:44:40 PM EDT
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I liked flying in combat boots. I would tie them really tight to increase my G tolerance I wear a size small condom stretched on with a tire tool to increase my G tolerance. 
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Posted: 3/13/2015 6:36:55 PM EDT
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I started wearing danners when I started training for my job in Astan and I still wear them daily. Doesn't matter if I'm flying a Lear or a Cub, I don't notice them.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 4:19:16 AM EDT
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Meh, I've never flown with anything else. Wear the same shoes, of any kind, for 10+ hours a day, and you'll get used to them.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 5:11:20 AM EDT
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Hell, when I was flying the E-11, after climbing past FL450 or so where there's not much traffic, I'd take my boots off. Might as well for a 10-12 hour flight. 
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Posted: 3/14/2015 7:54:09 AM EDT
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5.11 boots for me, or Merrells, every night, 120 hours a month in A-Stan...it does not matter.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 9:03:52 AM EDT
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What is rudder? It's those pedals that are used only while strafing or BFMing. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 3:31:09 PM EDT
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Meh, I've never flown with anything else. Wear the same shoes, of any kind, for 10+ hours a day, and you'll get used to them. Yea basically this. Learned to fly in them, so I don't even notice it. It's normal. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 8:49:31 PM EDT
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Not .mil and the only boots I've worn while flying have been of the cowboy variety. Only do that in climates where I have to wear pants. When in warmer climates I wear shorts with sneakers, sperry's, or flip flops. Can't imagine wearing heavy boots all the time.
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Posted: 3/15/2015 12:23:44 PM EDT
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Never had an issue wearing boots. I can say that I'd definitely want to wear SOMETHING with thick, stiff soles when flying engine out - the C-130 controllability speeds presumed something like 180 lbs of force on the rudder. Try doing that for a while in your flip flops...
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Posted: 3/15/2015 1:49:23 PM EDT
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Most tranny pilots prefer to wear spiked high heels in size 14
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Posted: 3/15/2015 1:52:59 PM EDT
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Never had an issue wearing boots. I can say that I'd definitely want to wear SOMETHING with thick, stiff soles when flying engine out - the C-130 controllability speeds presumed something like 180 lbs of force on the rudder. Try doing that for a while in your flip flops... Mike I take my shoes off with two engine out so that I have and extra set of hands to trim with
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Posted: 3/18/2015 6:45:41 AM EDT
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I started wearing danners when I started training for my job in Astan and I still wear them daily. Doesn't matter if I'm flying a Lear or a Cub, I don't notice them. I'm guessing the Cub doesn't have heal brakes? No boots for me. |
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Posted: 3/18/2015 10:44:35 AM EDT
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Never had an issue wearing boots. I can say that I'd definitely want to wear SOMETHING with thick, stiff soles when flying engine out - the C-130 controllability speeds presumed something like 180 lbs of force on the rudder. Try doing that for a while in your flip flops... Mike Meh. I fly a small 10 seat centerline thrust jet. I can trim it to fly nearly hands off with an engine out and the autopilot will also handle it just fine. But let me come fly your Hercules sometime and I promise to wear boots!
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Posted: 3/19/2015 8:08:58 AM EDT
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<a href="http://s104.photobucket.com/user/aramp1/media/Not-sure-if-serious_zpswzxg0nib.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/aramp1/Not-sure-if-serious_zpswzxg0nib.jpg</a> I used to love the old black Addisons. Leather and thin soles...they were like part of my feet. The Bellevilles they issue now are big and bulky. I often fly with them loose. Hell, when I was flying the E-11, after climbing past FL450 or so where there's not much traffic, I'd take my boots off. Might as well for a 10-12 hour flight. <a href="http://s104.photobucket.com/user/aramp1/media/Stocking%20Feet_zpsw6ujlcwt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/aramp1/Stocking%20Feet_zpsw6ujlcwt.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I liked flying in combat boots. I would tie them really tight to increase my G tolerance <a href="http://s104.photobucket.com/user/aramp1/media/Not-sure-if-serious_zpswzxg0nib.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/aramp1/Not-sure-if-serious_zpswzxg0nib.jpg</a> I used to love the old black Addisons. Leather and thin soles...they were like part of my feet. The Bellevilles they issue now are big and bulky. I often fly with them loose. Hell, when I was flying the E-11, after climbing past FL450 or so where there's not much traffic, I'd take my boots off. Might as well for a 10-12 hour flight. <a href="http://s104.photobucket.com/user/aramp1/media/Stocking%20Feet_zpsw6ujlcwt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/aramp1/Stocking%20Feet_zpsw6ujlcwt.jpg</a> Army pilot flying the E11? |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 8:23:21 AM EDT
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<a href="http://s104.photobucket.com/user/aramp1/media/Not-sure-if-serious_zpswzxg0nib.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/aramp1/Not-sure-if-serious_zpswzxg0nib.jpg</a> I used to love the old black Addisons. Leather and thin soles...they were like part of my feet. The Bellevilles they issue now are big and bulky. I often fly with them loose. Hell, when I was flying the E-11, after climbing past FL450 or so where there's not much traffic, I'd take my boots off. Might as well for a 10-12 hour flight. <a href="http://s104.photobucket.com/user/aramp1/media/Stocking%20Feet_zpsw6ujlcwt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/aramp1/Stocking%20Feet_zpsw6ujlcwt.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I liked flying in combat boots. I would tie them really tight to increase my G tolerance <a href="http://s104.photobucket.com/user/aramp1/media/Not-sure-if-serious_zpswzxg0nib.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/aramp1/Not-sure-if-serious_zpswzxg0nib.jpg</a> I used to love the old black Addisons. Leather and thin soles...they were like part of my feet. The Bellevilles they issue now are big and bulky. I often fly with them loose. Hell, when I was flying the E-11, after climbing past FL450 or so where there's not much traffic, I'd take my boots off. Might as well for a 10-12 hour flight. <a href="http://s104.photobucket.com/user/aramp1/media/Stocking%20Feet_zpsw6ujlcwt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/aramp1/Stocking%20Feet_zpsw6ujlcwt.jpg</a> I smell BACN... |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 12:01:41 PM EDT
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Army pilot flying the E11? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I liked flying in combat boots. I would tie them really tight to increase my G tolerance <a href="http://s104.photobucket.com/user/aramp1/media/Not-sure-if-serious_zpswzxg0nib.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/aramp1/Not-sure-if-serious_zpswzxg0nib.jpg</a> I used to love the old black Addisons. Leather and thin soles...they were like part of my feet. The Bellevilles they issue now are big and bulky. I often fly with them loose. Hell, when I was flying the E-11, after climbing past FL450 or so where there's not much traffic, I'd take my boots off. Might as well for a 10-12 hour flight. <a href="http://s104.photobucket.com/user/aramp1/media/Stocking%20Feet_zpsw6ujlcwt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/aramp1/Stocking%20Feet_zpsw6ujlcwt.jpg</a> Army pilot flying the E11? Those are OCPs. We all wear them in AFG.......except the Marines of course. |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 3:03:05 PM EDT
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What is rudder? But seriously, I like my Bellevilles. I've even worn them into establishments of ill repute when on cross countries and forgot shoes. They looked pretty good then too. You could always tell the dude that forgot his shoes and coat (and probably a belt, too). Leather jacket without patches and black issue laceups.
I flew 21 years with the issue leather w/ the metal cinch that you could never figure out how to get the laces through correctly. And the fold-over collars. I thought they were comfy. Some dudes started wearing the ones with nylon ankles because they were cooler temperature-wise, but those weren't authorized because of fire performance. Funny thing, though--when they first came out with desert gear, the boots were the nylon ones. Go figure. By the way, howdy to everybody that hangs out here (that's a friendly howdy, Herc-drivers). The whole site is so big, it took me awhile to notice this forum. Cheers |
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Posted: 3/20/2015 6:15:30 PM EDT
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Those are OCPs. We all wear them in AFG.......except the Marines of course. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Army pilot flying the E11? Those are OCPs. We all wear them in AFG.......except the Marines of course. ...and we contractors, I just figured out today that you guys did. I thought it was just Army and droid pilots that wore the OCP uniforms. |
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Posted: 3/20/2015 8:16:00 PM EDT
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Flew for a career in them. No problem. Correct socks are key. Love the Belleville flight boots.
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Posted: 3/20/2015 11:05:34 PM EDT
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The only AF guys that I saw in flight suits were the drone pilots.
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Posted: 3/20/2015 11:05:53 PM EDT
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Edit for double post.
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Posted: 3/22/2015 11:28:32 PM EDT
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<a href="http://s104.photobucket.com/user/aramp1/media/Not-sure-if-serious_zpswzxg0nib.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/aramp1/Not-sure-if-serious_zpswzxg0nib.jpg</a> I used to love the old black Addisons. Leather and thin soles...they were like part of my feet. The Bellevilles they issue now are big and bulky. I often fly with them loose. Hell, when I was flying the E-11, after climbing past FL450 or so where there's not much traffic, I'd take my boots off. Might as well for a 10-12 hour flight. <a href="http://s104.photobucket.com/user/aramp1/media/Stocking%20Feet_zpsw6ujlcwt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/aramp1/Stocking%20Feet_zpsw6ujlcwt.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I liked flying in combat boots. I would tie them really tight to increase my G tolerance <a href="http://s104.photobucket.com/user/aramp1/media/Not-sure-if-serious_zpswzxg0nib.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/aramp1/Not-sure-if-serious_zpswzxg0nib.jpg</a> I used to love the old black Addisons. Leather and thin soles...they were like part of my feet. The Bellevilles they issue now are big and bulky. I often fly with them loose. Hell, when I was flying the E-11, after climbing past FL450 or so where there's not much traffic, I'd take my boots off. Might as well for a 10-12 hour flight. <a href="http://s104.photobucket.com/user/aramp1/media/Stocking%20Feet_zpsw6ujlcwt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/aramp1/Stocking%20Feet_zpsw6ujlcwt.jpg</a> Oh yeah, the old black leather Addisons were awesome. Hate the Bellevilles. Nice socks, SoNNNN! |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:56:37 PM EDT
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I see a lot of guys flying in them.. They can't be good for your rudder skills or do you even notice them? I fly in boots and would rather have those than some flimsy shoes or whatever. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 5:37:57 PM EDT
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I'm not a mil pilot, but I do fly a taildragger in the worst wind conditions you can imagine, off short strips, with 50-75+ landings a day not being unusual. I wear work boots. I wear the same boots to aerobatics in a Decathalon. All that feel the rudders bullshit is bullshit. Stomp rudders all day in a heavy plane and you'll like thick soles and steel shanks. That makes sense to me, as does ejection protection and needing boots if you go down behind enemy lines. The aerobatic flight I went on the guy was wearing racecar shoes and I saw an article recently about it. *shrug* Wearing boots or tennis shoes didn't seem to help my poor rudder skills
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Posted: 4/2/2015 11:17:00 PM EDT
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The best thing for my rudder skills was a crosswind runway, 1,400' long, right up against a powerline, with obstacles at both ends.
I flew a Cessna Ag Truck into there with about 100hrs TT. I think I cracked the handle on the stick.
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Posted: 4/3/2015 9:21:54 AM EDT
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The best thing for my rudder skills was a crosswind runway, 1,400' long, right up against a powerline, with obstacles at both ends. I flew a Cessna Ag Truck into there with about 100hrs TT. I think I cracked the handle on the stick.
I start and finish every day at that strip. The best thing for rudder skills is to put a piece of tape over the slip indicator, and use your ass. |
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Posted: 4/3/2015 11:52:14 AM EDT
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I'm guessing the Cub doesn't have heal brakes? No boots for me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I started wearing danners when I started training for my job in Astan and I still wear them daily. Doesn't matter if I'm flying a Lear or a Cub, I don't notice them. I'm guessing the Cub doesn't have heal brakes? No boots for me. It does and I've never noticed any issues. |
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Posted: 4/3/2015 12:27:18 PM EDT
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It does and I've never noticed any issues. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I started wearing danners when I started training for my job in Astan and I still wear them daily. Doesn't matter if I'm flying a Lear or a Cub, I don't notice them. I'm guessing the Cub doesn't have heal brakes? No boots for me. It does and I've never noticed any issues. I'm 6'6", so I don't even fit in a Cub. I guess for me, it's just a bit more awkward. Obviously, a plane made in 1946 wasn't built to fit me. I do have a new pair of Ariats that I'm going to have to try. |
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Posted: 4/3/2015 5:44:50 PM EDT
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I wear my issued boots all the time while flying. I work in the sticks. Don't wear anything you don't want to hike in. I don't mind boots at all, and my job is all "stick and rudder" flying.
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Posted: 4/3/2015 6:14:56 PM EDT
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I'm 6'6", so I don't even fit in a Cub. I guess for me, it's just a bit more awkward. Obviously, a plane made in 1946 wasn't built to fit me. I do have a new pair of Ariats that I'm going to have to try. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I started wearing danners when I started training for my job in Astan and I still wear them daily. Doesn't matter if I'm flying a Lear or a Cub, I don't notice them. I'm guessing the Cub doesn't have heal brakes? No boots for me. It does and I've never noticed any issues. I'm 6'6", so I don't even fit in a Cub. I guess for me, it's just a bit more awkward. Obviously, a plane made in 1946 wasn't built to fit me. I do have a new pair of Ariats that I'm going to have to try. Being a foot shorter than you means I don't have all those pesky "cramped quarters" issues you do.
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Posted: 4/4/2015 7:40:04 AM EDT
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Being a foot shorter than you means I don't have all those pesky "cramped quarters" issues you do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I started wearing danners when I started training for my job in Astan and I still wear them daily. Doesn't matter if I'm flying a Lear or a Cub, I don't notice them. I'm guessing the Cub doesn't have heal brakes? No boots for me. It does and I've never noticed any issues. I'm 6'6", so I don't even fit in a Cub. I guess for me, it's just a bit more awkward. Obviously, a plane made in 1946 wasn't built to fit me. I do have a new pair of Ariats that I'm going to have to try. Being a foot shorter than you means I don't have all those pesky "cramped quarters" issues you do. And flying a Champ instead of a Cub, I don't have all of those cramped quarters that you do. 
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Posted: 6/7/2015 2:47:19 AM EDT
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You could always tell the dude that forgot his shoes and coat (and probably a belt, too). Leather jacket without patches and black issue laceups.
I flew 21 years with the issue leather w/ the metal cinch that you could never figure out how to get the laces through correctly. And the fold-over collars. I thought they were comfy. Some dudes started wearing the ones with nylon ankles because they were cooler temperature-wise, but those weren't authorized because of fire performance. Funny thing, though--when they first came out with desert gear, the boots were the nylon ones. Go figure. By the way, howdy to everybody that hangs out here (that's a friendly howdy, Herc-drivers). The whole site is so big, it took me awhile to notice this forum. Cheers Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is rudder? But seriously, I like my Bellevilles. I've even worn them into establishments of ill repute when on cross countries and forgot shoes. They looked pretty good then too. You could always tell the dude that forgot his shoes and coat (and probably a belt, too). Leather jacket without patches and black issue laceups.
I flew 21 years with the issue leather w/ the metal cinch that you could never figure out how to get the laces through correctly. And the fold-over collars. I thought they were comfy. Some dudes started wearing the ones with nylon ankles because they were cooler temperature-wise, but those weren't authorized because of fire performance. Funny thing, though--when they first came out with desert gear, the boots were the nylon ones. Go figure. By the way, howdy to everybody that hangs out here (that's a friendly howdy, Herc-drivers). The whole site is so big, it took me awhile to notice this forum. Cheers I've still got a pair of speedlace boots down in the basement. Wish we could still wear them. Very comfortable, rather light and easy to get in and out of. My biggest gripe with the current issue boots is how thick the soles are. Too damn chunky. |
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Posted: 6/10/2015 11:08:43 PM EDT
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The best thing for rudder skills is to put a piece of tape over the slip indicator, and use your ass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The best thing for my rudder skills was a crosswind runway, 1,400' long, right up against a powerline, with obstacles at both ends. I flew a Cessna Ag Truck into there with about 100hrs TT. I think I cracked the handle on the stick.
I start and finish every day at that strip. The best thing for rudder skills is to put a piece of tape over the slip indicator, and use your ass. My daily ride is an Ag Cat with a P&W R1340 on it. It has manifold pressure, RPM, oil pressure, and boom pressure. No flight instruments at all. 
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Posted: 6/11/2015 2:45:08 AM EDT
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My daily ride is an Ag Cat with a P&W R1340 on it. It has manifold pressure, RPM, oil pressure, and boom pressure. No flight instruments at all.
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The best thing for my rudder skills was a crosswind runway, 1,400' long, right up against a powerline, with obstacles at both ends. I flew a Cessna Ag Truck into there with about 100hrs TT. I think I cracked the handle on the stick.
I start and finish every day at that strip. The best thing for rudder skills is to put a piece of tape over the slip indicator, and use your ass. My daily ride is an Ag Cat with a P&W R1340 on it. It has manifold pressure, RPM, oil pressure, and boom pressure. No flight instruments at all.
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