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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:08:16 AM EDT
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Do you have an example of LEOs dropping stuff?
If you're referencing aerial engagements with firearms then you're going to exit the scope of civil aviation regs. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:13:21 AM EDT
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Public use aircraft are not governed under the FARs......that's how.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:16:06 AM EDT
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Public use aircraft are not governed under the FARs......that's how. They're not...until something bad happens. Then it won't matter that you were flying a surplus 58, as opposed to a 206,or what category mission you were flying. At least that's what I've been told. That makes perfect sense, though--public use aircraft. Thanks |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 3:35:33 AM EDT
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Quite simply, the Government is not accountable to it's own regulations. Sometimes they are officially exempt, other times, unofficially. Either way, Exempt.
The FAA has wide latitude on what they enforce. They wield Executive power, with an arbitrary, Godlike ambivalence. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 4:35:58 AM EDT
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Are you referring to this back in the 80's where the cops burned up half of the hood?
http://www.nytimes.com/1985/05/14/us/police-drop-bomb-on-radicals-home-in-philadelphia.html |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 10:30:24 PM EDT
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Quite simply, the Government is not accountable to it's own regulations. Sometimes they are officially exempt, other times, unofficially. Either way, Exempt. The FAA has wide latitude on what they enforce. They wield Executive power, with an arbitrary, Godlike ambivalence. The FAA WILL review the actions. The FAA is not some super strong federal agency. They are easy to influence and push back on. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 10:50:12 PM EDT
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Are you referring to this back in the 80's where the cops burned up half of the hood? http://www.nytimes.com/1985/05/14/us/police-drop-bomb-on-radicals-home-in-philadelphia.html Don't have a problem with that. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 10:55:14 PM EDT
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Public use aircraft are not governed under the FARs......that's how. After the adventure of getting my Raven airborne over a US base, I can tell you the military is. |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 10:36:07 AM EDT
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Quite simply, the Government is not accountable to it's own regulations. Sometimes they are officially exempt, other times, unofficially. Either way, Exempt. The FAA has wide latitude on what they enforce. They wield Executive power, with an arbitrary, Godlike ambivalence. So it's sortof like how it's supposedly illegal for emergency vehicles to run red lights, but the penalties aren't enforced on them unless they do something like hit a car that has right-of-way? |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 11:35:01 AM EDT
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Every now and again the FAA tries to get in that muddle and they always seem to lose.
The Army's regulation has people trying to adhere to the spirit of Part 91, but does not actually require it The FAA does not control the Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines, Coast Guard, FBI, DEA, USFS,the County Sheriff, or local LEO and fire organizations, And more Lawsuits do more for controlling LEO agencies. |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 11:42:22 AM EDT
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Every now and again the FAA tries to get in that muddle and they always seem to lose. The Army's regulation has people trying to adhere to the spirit of Part 91, but does not actually require it The FAA does not control the Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines, Coast Guard, FBI, DEA, USFS,the County Sheriff, or local LEO and fire organizations, And more Lawsuits do more for controlling LEO agencies. Cannot speak the Army or AF's position but I know NAVAIRs postion and the fact both DoN service assign LNOs to FAA and require adherence to FAA regs out side controlled circumstances in MOAS would indicate that is not exactly a factual statement |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 12:36:45 PM EDT
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Okay you are right they require adherence unless they don't. The Navy's mission can throw that book out the window.
Yes you have to adhere to clearance in controlled airspace or it would not be controlled, The Navy is adhering because it chooses to do so, it make sense to...... If the Navy or Air Force was to intercept an inbound airliner, and then be ordered to shoot it down, how does that jibe with the FAR's Most of the time all public use aircraft try to adhere, until it comes time to hoist a human being under a single engine helicopter (Part 133D requires a twin...) Public use, including the military don't have to follow each FAA rule every time. The Public Use Agency is responsible to .... who knows. The NTSB is hot on this right now and they will lose too. |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 1:44:26 PM EDT
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The Navy is adhering because it chooses to do so, it make sense to...... If the Navy or Air Force was to intercept an inbound airliner, and then be ordered to shoot it down, how does that jibe with the FAR's Not so much chooses; we get fines that we have to pay out of O&M if we violated other Dept and Agency Regs. DoD use to be exempt to other Dept or agencies ability to levy fines we are not anymore On the second part; it comes down to who legally can order a shoot down. And it ain't no one with stars on their collar |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 5:28:59 PM EDT
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So it's sortof like how it's supposedly illegal for emergency vehicles to run red lights, but the penalties aren't enforced on them unless they do something like hit a car that has right-of-way? No. There is a legal exception for that and it is listed in the law. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 5:53:38 PM EDT
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What about the helicopter borne hog hunters?
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Posted: 1/22/2015 6:27:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about the helicopter borne hog hunters? Wild hogs ain't persons or property. They's VERMIN. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 2:22:47 AM EDT
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government is like a stripper. They can touch you. You cannot touch them.
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