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Posted: 7/4/2014 4:57:37 AM EDT
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At least take the written. Gives you 2 years to finish the rating under the current rule.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 5:27:55 AM EDT
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At least take the written. Gives you 2 years to finish the rating under the current rule. That is my plan. Gives me time and maybe leverage if the next set of orders suck. |
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Posted: 7/4/2014 5:34:04 AM EDT
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There are a lot of folks around the squadron who are doing or have done the same thing. Even the Lts and copilots. Years ago, talking about it around work would have been frowned upon. Now it's pretty much encouraged. Times are a changin'.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 9:23:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/5/2014 2:37:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/5/2014 3:50:14 PM EDT
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There are a lot of folks around the squadron who are doing or have done the same thing. Even the Lts and copilots. Years ago, talking about it around work would have been frowned upon. Now it's pretty much encouraged. Times are a changin'. Sheppard Air FTW! Why would it be taboo to talk about getting an ATP or any civilian rating? That's like saying continuing civilian education is frowned upon since you needed a degree to be a zoomie to begin with? While funds and availability last, we pay for our pilots to get an ATP while meeting their required simulator requirements. You of course have to pay to take your own written. It's a career enhancing certification overall and at little cost in reality. |
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Posted: 7/6/2014 11:59:57 AM EDT
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I am not yet commercially rated. What are the requirements to take the ATP written?
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Posted: 7/6/2014 12:04:14 PM EDT
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Why would it be taboo to talk about getting an ATP or any civilian rating? That's like saying continuing civilian education is frowned upon since you needed a degree to be a zoomie to begin with? While funds and availability last, we pay for our pilots to get an ATP while meeting their required simulator requirements. You of course have to pay to take your own written. It's a career enhancing certification overall and at little cost in reality. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are a lot of folks around the squadron who are doing or have done the same thing. Even the Lts and copilots. Years ago, talking about it around work would have been frowned upon. Now it's pretty much encouraged. Times are a changin'. Sheppard Air FTW! Why would it be taboo to talk about getting an ATP or any civilian rating? That's like saying continuing civilian education is frowned upon since you needed a degree to be a zoomie to begin with? While funds and availability last, we pay for our pilots to get an ATP while meeting their required simulator requirements. You of course have to pay to take your own written. It's a career enhancing certification overall and at little cost in reality. When I was active duty at the RTU, the Wing ADO had a TAC Patch that instead of saying "Tactical Air Command" read " Fuck The Airlines" You were treated as a traitor if it got out you were applying to the airlines or putting in your papers. |
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Posted: 7/6/2014 2:08:51 PM EDT
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Why would it be taboo to talk about getting an ATP or any civilian rating? That's like saying continuing civilian education is frowned upon since you needed a degree to be a zoomie to begin with? While funds and availability last, we pay for our pilots to get an ATP while meeting their required simulator requirements. You of course have to pay to take your own written. It's a career enhancing certification overall and at little cost in reality. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are a lot of folks around the squadron who are doing or have done the same thing. Even the Lts and copilots. Years ago, talking about it around work would have been frowned upon. Now it's pretty much encouraged. Times are a changin'. Sheppard Air FTW! Why would it be taboo to talk about getting an ATP or any civilian rating? That's like saying continuing civilian education is frowned upon since you needed a degree to be a zoomie to begin with? While funds and availability last, we pay for our pilots to get an ATP while meeting their required simulator requirements. You of course have to pay to take your own written. It's a career enhancing certification overall and at little cost in reality. The Air Force couldn't care less if you have any civilian ratings or prior experience. Doesn't matter. Nothing is gained for them if you are furthering your abilities as an aviator, outside of their programs. Same logic is behind academic degrees. Doesn't matter what you have or are getting your degree in, just that you have one (exception being some of the tech degrees). Funny thing is, a continuing civilian education is pretty much required for officers, at the expense of flying knowledge, quality of work around the squadron, and deployability. Like Mach said, "showing your cards" to some commanders means you will get crappy assignments. If you aren't a company man, in some circles, you've destroyed your chances or getting a good assignment, etc. It used to be that you kept your desires beyond the AF under wraps. Nowadays, there are so many people jumping ship, it isn't really all that strange. Plus, a good number of commanders realize this and encourage you to look out for yourself. |
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Posted: 7/6/2014 3:29:00 PM EDT
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Concur with the above, some sort of twisted social engineering. If your desire is anything but a fleet CO you might as well give up getting any quals. There are some exceptions, I was lucky enough TPS was sort of an exception. I do think it did limited some of my progress in the fleet as I was upfront with it from day one.
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Posted: 7/6/2014 4:51:07 PM EDT
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I am not yet commercially rated. What are the requirements to take the ATP written? I'm not sure if you're able to take the written without a commercial but an instructor endorsement is not required for the ATP written. |
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Posted: 7/6/2014 4:54:05 PM EDT
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When I was active duty at the RTU, the Wing ADO had a TAC Patch that instead of saying "Tactical Air Command" read " Fuck The Airlines" You were treated as a traitor if it got out you were applying to the airlines or putting in your papers. Is he now an airline pilot? Possibly throwing gear for one of his former punks? It's always fun discussing airlines when we're TDY with an AD squadron...especially when some of their leadership/lifers are around. |
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Posted: 7/6/2014 5:45:16 PM EDT
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How does the mil rule work? Is it 750TT if you're military trained, or do you have to have 750 mil time. I have more than 750TT but not 750 mil yet... what should I do?
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Posted: 7/6/2014 5:59:44 PM EDT
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Why would it be taboo to talk about getting an ATP or any civilian rating? That's like saying continuing civilian education is frowned upon since you needed a degree to be a zoomie to begin with? While funds and availability last, we pay for our pilots to get an ATP while meeting their required simulator requirements. You of course have to pay to take your own written. It's a career enhancing certification overall and at little cost in reality. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are a lot of folks around the squadron who are doing or have done the same thing. Even the Lts and copilots. Years ago, talking about it around work would have been frowned upon. Now it's pretty much encouraged. Times are a changin'. Sheppard Air FTW! Why would it be taboo to talk about getting an ATP or any civilian rating? That's like saying continuing civilian education is frowned upon since you needed a degree to be a zoomie to begin with? While funds and availability last, we pay for our pilots to get an ATP while meeting their required simulator requirements. You of course have to pay to take your own written. It's a career enhancing certification overall and at little cost in reality. I could get an MBA from Harvard or a PhD in nuclear engineering and it would be frowned upon vs. company grade PME that primarily consists of bros meeting up with their laptops and getting shitfaced while CTRL+Fing a PDF while taking a "test" together. What a joke. |
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Posted: 7/6/2014 6:30:30 PM EDT
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How does the mil rule work? Is it 750TT if you're military trained, or do you have to have 750 mil time. I have more than 750TT but not 750 mil yet... what should I do? That is a good question. Its probably up to the local FSDO 
I am in the same boat. |
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Posted: 7/10/2014 10:45:26 PM EDT
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That is a good question. Its probably up to the local FSDO
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How does the mil rule work? Is it 750TT if you're military trained, or do you have to have 750 mil time. I have more than 750TT but not 750 mil yet... what should I do? That is a good question. Its probably up to the local FSDO
I am in the same boat. That is to get a restricted atp and work as a first officer. You would still need a reg atp for pic. So basically you'll need to fly in the military for 15 years to meet the required 1500 hours. Lol
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Posted: 7/28/2014 1:23:15 PM EDT
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How does the mil rule work? Is it 750TT if you're military trained, or do you have to have 750 mil time. I have more than 750TT but not 750 mil yet... what should I do? Well, spent 8 hours on Saturday and 10 hours yesterday with the Sheppard software. Did the test today and got a 95. Now to do the practical. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 1:40:38 PM EDT
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That is to get a restricted atp and work as a first officer. You would still need a reg atp for pic. So basically you'll need to fly in the military for 15 years to meet the required 1500 hours. Lol Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How does the mil rule work? Is it 750TT if you're military trained, or do you have to have 750 mil time. I have more than 750TT but not 750 mil yet... what should I do? That is a good question. Its probably up to the local FSDO
I am in the same boat. That is to get a restricted atp and work as a first officer. You would still need a reg atp for pic. So basically you'll need to fly in the military for 15 years to meet the required 1500 hours. Lol More like 20 or more the way flight time is getting handed out right now |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 1:42:10 PM EDT
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More like 20 or more the way flight time is getting handed out right now Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How does the mil rule work? Is it 750TT if you're military trained, or do you have to have 750 mil time. I have more than 750TT but not 750 mil yet... what should I do? That is a good question. Its probably up to the local FSDO
I am in the same boat. That is to get a restricted atp and work as a first officer. You would still need a reg atp for pic. So basically you'll need to fly in the military for 15 years to meet the required 1500 hours. Lol More like 20 or more the way flight time is getting handed out right now Haha, it aint that bad around here yet. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 3:08:49 PM EDT
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I broke 1500 this year. 12 years in, I think 11 years flying maybe a little less. Tacair mostly an hour at a time, besides basic school and ocs I have only been on flying orders. I'd say it is slow. Most folks would have been a little further time in service as they'd have probably had two none flying gigs (2-3 more years).
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Posted: 7/29/2014 6:12:38 AM EDT
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I broke 1500 this year. 12 years in, I think 11 years flying maybe a little less. Tacair mostly an hour at a time, besides basic school and ocs I have only been on flying orders. I'd say it is slow. Most folks would have been a little further time in service as they'd have probably had two none flying gigs (2-3 more years). I had 4700 hours, from 1999 to 2008. About 5 hours since then.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 8:08:12 AM EDT
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I broke 1500 this year. 12 years in, I think 11 years flying maybe a little less. Tacair mostly an hour at a time, besides basic school and ocs I have only been on flying orders. I'd say it is slow. Most folks would have been a little further time in service as they'd have probably had two none flying gigs (2-3 more years). I had 4700 hours, from 1999 to 2008. About 5 hours since then. Flying what? |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:58:36 PM EDT
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Got mine done as has everyone I know in the squadron...literally everyone. CC, DO...even the brand new Co who isn't even MQT'd has taken the ATP written.
I'm a first assignment guy and have over 1500 in the KC-135. Pretty crazy to see guys with 10 years in and less hours...guess there is an upside to our ops tempo!
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:46:37 PM EDT
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I broke 1500 this year. 12 years in, I think 11 years flying maybe a little less. Tacair mostly an hour at a time, besides basic school and ocs I have only been on flying orders. I'd say it is slow. Most folks would have been a little further time in service as they'd have probably had two none flying gigs (2-3 more years). I had 4700 hours, from 1999 to 2008. About 5 hours since then. Flying what? Civilian time all. Mostly shit boxes. B1900, Dash 8, ERJ, B400, B200, Dash 8 again. Bunch of piston twin and single time. |
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Posted: 7/30/2014 4:29:42 PM EDT
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I haven't been paying much attention and just found out about the rule change five days ago. The past couple days have been a little stressful, but I passed the written this morning.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 4:42:50 PM EDT
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Sheppard Air FTW! I never could get ahold of them. I think they've been slammed. I used the Dauntless app for the iPad. It was worth the cost. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 9:59:05 AM EDT
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I never could get ahold of them. I think they've been slammed. I used the Dauntless app for the iPad. It was worth the cost. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sheppard Air FTW! I never could get ahold of them. I think they've been slammed. I used the Dauntless app for the iPad. It was worth the cost. They stopped selling the ATP software a week or so ago to focus on tech support. I got an 85 yesterday 
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Posted: 7/31/2014 11:57:05 AM EDT
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My 70 year old father just called me about 30 seconds ago to tell me he just passed the ATP written. He never would have pursued the ATP until the gov attempted to make it unobtainable. This Sept marks his 50th year of aviating. I couldn't be prouder.
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Posted: 8/2/2014 10:15:33 PM EDT
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My 70 year old father just called me about 30 seconds ago to tell me he just passed the ATP written. He never would have pursued the ATP until the gov attempted to make it unobtainable. This Sept marks his 50th year of aviating. I couldn't be prouder. That's pretty cool. Congrats to your father! |
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