entejager Member Team Member Joined: Mar 2007  PA, USA Posts: 215 Feedback: 100% (1)	Posted: 8/9/2012 10:38:49 PM THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT Grand Teton Mnt. Grand Teton Mnt 13,770 feet KJAC today Thought this would look cool with the mountain in the back ground
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entejager Member Team Member Joined: Mar 2007  PA, USA Posts: 216 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/9/2012 11:04:19 PM Yellowstone Lake Valley on the way to Yellowstone Painters Pot Yellowstone Lower Yellowstone Falls Lower Yellostone Falls
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Shadowhawk Member Team Member Joined: Apr 2001  WA, USA Posts: 1430 Feedback: 100% (13) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/10/2012 4:05:04 AM You should drop into the field on the other side of the pass. Driggs Idaho! Awesome FBO...great food...awesome aviation museum. Owner of the FBO has a T2B, Mig15, Mig17 and a bunch of other toys on display.
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danpass Member Joined: Sep 2005  FL, USA Posts: 16544 Feedback: 100% (29) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/10/2012 10:55:30 AM Beautiful, thanks for sharing. Originally Posted By CFII: You fly too high Risk of nosebleeds?
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CFII Kiowa Driver Industry Partner Joined: Oct 2002  AL, USA Posts: 13731 Feedback: 100% (19) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/10/2012 11:31:21 AM I just like flying low in my helicopter. I think the highest I have been in the 58 was 2500ft AGL, once. Most of the time I am 500ft or below
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Frank_The_Tank Disjointed Member Team Member Joined: May 2006  USA Posts: 10498 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/15/2012 11:14:38 PM Originally Posted By CFII: I just like flying low in my helicopter. I think the highest I have been in the 58 was 2500ft AGL, once. Most of the time I am 500ft or below I don't blame you, if I flew helicopters I would have a difficult time getting more than a couple of feet agl, just incase that big spinning thing quit spinning.
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Posted: 8/16/2012 10:57:11 AM [Last Edit: 8/16/2012 12:28:11 PM by GetDown_M4A3] Originally Posted By Frank_The_Tank: Originally Posted By CFII: I just like flying low in my helicopter. I think the highest I have been in the 58 was 2500ft AGL, once. Most of the time I am 500ft or below I don't blame you, if I flew helicopters I would have a difficult time getting more than a couple of feet agl, just incase that big spinning thing quit spinning. I'd actually rather have altitude in an engine failure with a helicopter, but my operations, short of long cross countries, don't require me climbing very high. Unless its a 10' hover auto, which is super easy. :) Frank, read up on height-velocity diagrams for helicopters and the principles of an autorotation to understand why altitude is a good thing in most situations.

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raimius Member Joined: Sep 2008  TX, USA Posts: 215 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/16/2012 7:51:38 PM But low level autos start in the flare. Should be easier.
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Posted: 8/19/2012 2:13:41 AM Originally Posted By GetDown_M4A3: Originally Posted By Frank_The_Tank: Originally Posted By CFII: I just like flying low in my helicopter. I think the highest I have been in the 58 was 2500ft AGL, once. Most of the time I am 500ft or below I don't blame you, if I flew helicopters I would have a difficult time getting more than a couple of feet agl, just incase that big spinning thing quit spinning. I'd actually rather have altitude in an engine failure with a helicopter, but my operations, short of long cross countries, don't require me climbing very high. Unless its a 10' hover auto, which is super easy. :) Frank, read up on height-velocity diagrams for helicopters and the principles of an autorotation to understand why altitude is a good thing in most situations. Still, if you were over a few thousand feet up, wouldn't you just end up dropping like a rock?

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Posted: 8/19/2012 8:58:02 PM Originally Posted By ShaneA319: Originally Posted By GetDown_M4A3: Originally Posted By Frank_The_Tank: Originally Posted By CFII: I just like flying low in my helicopter. I think the highest I have been in the 58 was 2500ft AGL, once. Most of the time I am 500ft or below I don't blame you, if I flew helicopters I would have a difficult time getting more than a couple of feet agl, just incase that big spinning thing quit spinning. I'd actually rather have altitude in an engine failure with a helicopter, but my operations, short of long cross countries, don't require me climbing very high. Unless its a 10' hover auto, which is super easy. :) Frank, read up on height-velocity diagrams for helicopters and the principles of an autorotation to understand why altitude is a good thing in most situations. Still, if you were over a few thousand feet up, wouldn't you just end up dropping like a rock? No. As long as the rotor is spinning at minimum Nr, I'm in an auto. A long auto.

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Posted: 8/19/2012 10:58:31 PM [Last Edit: 8/19/2012 11:00:27 PM by ShaneA319] Originally Posted By GetDown_M4A3: Originally Posted By ShaneA319: Originally Posted By GetDown_M4A3: Originally Posted By Frank_The_Tank: Originally Posted By CFII: I just like flying low in my helicopter. I think the highest I have been in the 58 was 2500ft AGL, once. Most of the time I am 500ft or below I don't blame you, if I flew helicopters I would have a difficult time getting more than a couple of feet agl, just incase that big spinning thing quit spinning. I'd actually rather have altitude in an engine failure with a helicopter, but my operations, short of long cross countries, don't require me climbing very high. Unless its a 10' hover auto, which is super easy. :) Frank, read up on height-velocity diagrams for helicopters and the principles of an autorotation to understand why altitude is a good thing in most situations. Still, if you were over a few thousand feet up, wouldn't you just end up dropping like a rock? No. As long as the rotor is spinning at minimum Nr, I'm in an auto. A long auto. What would keep the rotor spinning with a total power loss though? The original inertia?

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CFII Kiowa Driver Industry Partner Joined: Oct 2002  TN, USA Posts: 13775 Feedback: 100% (19) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/19/2012 11:04:50 PM The rotor system basically reverses airflow and instead of inducing air through the rotor it uses the air from below to maintain rotor rpm. The helicopter generally maintains 100%Nr when the collective is fully reduced. However, some aircraft require more work to auto, like mine. Think of a leaf falling from the sky.
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Pickle Member Joined: May 2006  KS, USA Posts: 1819 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/21/2012 9:27:42 PM Originally Posted By CFII: Think of a leaf falling from the sky. I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I.....
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entejager Member Team Member Joined: Mar 2007  PA, USA Posts: 218 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/21/2012 11:27:30 PM [Last Edit: 8/21/2012 11:38:09 PM by entejager] A good video for the helicopterly challenged. Autorotations at 8:20
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ShaneA319 Team Member Team Member Joined: Apr 2012  FL, USA Posts: 397 Feedback: 100% (9) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/22/2012 12:02:17 AM [Last Edit: 8/22/2012 12:03:49 AM by ShaneA319] Originally Posted By entejager: A good video for the helicopterly challenged. Autorotations at 8:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERjXUPsp6yo Very interesting, I won't feel as unsafe around helicopters now. I'm more of a fixed wing guy if you couldn't tell.
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struckzb Member Team Member Joined: Oct 2007  WA, USA Posts: 978 Feedback: 100% (4) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/22/2012 12:21:45 AM [Last Edit: 8/22/2012 12:23:08 AM by struckzb] Very informative, thanks for posting! Eta: meant to quote entejager.
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