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Posted: 8/10/2012 10:52:41 AM
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I'm looking for the best primer to bring the walls back to somewhat a neutral color, so that the unit is presentable and able to be painted by the next tenant. What are your suggestions? |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 3:32:49 PM
Killz
Black and red, ouch! Those are the worst colors to cover, it still may take a a couple coats to even it all out, but it will cover. If you go with Killz, proper ventilation is required and highly recommended. . Unless your into that sort of thing . . A friend recently moved into a house where the parents let the kid paint his room black with red trim. Ceiling too. Ridiculous. Goodluck! |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 1:07:44 AM
Originally Posted By zegermanznew:
Killz Black and red, ouch! Those are the worst colors to cover, it still may take a a couple coats to even it all out, but it will cover. If you go with Killz, proper ventilation is required and highly recommended. . Unless your into that sort of thing . . A friend recently moved into a house where the parents let the kid paint his room black with red trim. Ceiling too. Ridiculous. Goodluck! make sure you use OIL base 
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Posted: 8/11/2012 7:14:33 AM
Originally Posted By MrHold:
Originally Posted By zegermanznew:
Killz Black and red, ouch! Those are the worst colors to cover, it still may take a a couple coats to even it all out, but it will cover. If you go with Killz, proper ventilation is required and highly recommended. . Unless your into that sort of thing . . A friend recently moved into a house where the parents let the kid paint his room black with red trim. Ceiling too. Ridiculous. Goodluck! make sure you use OIL base
Good Luck 
If you use an oil-based primer, don't you need an oil-based paint? Seems like no one does it anymore but I used to get the primer tinted. Now the paint stores like to tell you it isn't needed but that probably gets them more sales.  |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 7:47:56 AM
Originally Posted By RN22lr:
Originally Posted By MrHold:
Originally Posted By zegermanznew:
Killz Black and red, ouch! Those are the worst colors to cover, it still may take a a couple coats to even it all out, but it will cover. If you go with Killz, proper ventilation is required and highly recommended. . Unless your into that sort of thing . . A friend recently moved into a house where the parents let the kid paint his room black with red trim. Ceiling too. Ridiculous. Goodluck! make sure you use OIL base
Good Luck
If you use an oil-based primer, don't you need an oil-based paint? Seems like no one does it anymore but I used to get the primer tinted. Now the paint stores like to tell you it isn't needed but that probably gets them more sales. Yeah, I don't really have the time for 3 coats.
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Posted: 8/11/2012 8:08:51 AM
Originally Posted By RN22lr:
Originally Posted By MrHold:
Originally Posted By zegermanznew:
Killz Black and red, ouch! Those are the worst colors to cover, it still may take a a couple coats to even it all out, but it will cover. If you go with Killz, proper ventilation is required and highly recommended. . Unless your into that sort of thing . . A friend recently moved into a house where the parents let the kid paint his room black with red trim. Ceiling too. Ridiculous. Goodluck! make sure you use OIL base
Good Luck
If you use an oil-based primer, don't you need an oil-based paint? Seems like no one does it anymore but I used to get the primer tinted. Now the paint stores like to tell you it isn't needed but that probably gets them more sales. (Almost) Always tinted, I thought that was just standard. . . Didn't think it needed saying . . . My bad. . . 
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coldair
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Posted: 8/11/2012 8:11:19 AM
ask the man at the paint stores the pros use, they know their stuff
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doc_Zox
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Posted: 8/11/2012 8:37:08 AM
Kilz covers all
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AssaultRifler
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Posted: 8/11/2012 8:38:36 AM
painted walls are already primed, you want the best paint not primer
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Posted: 8/11/2012 10:00:51 AM
Originally Posted By AssaultRifler:
painted walls are already primed, you want the best paint not primer ^^^ that. ar-jedi |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 10:06:45 AM
I will also throw out a recommendation for Killz.
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Posted: 8/11/2012 11:48:13 AM
It's expensive bit Zinsser BIN will do the best,or their Coverstain oil base primer will work also. You can topcoat it with latex paint with no problem.
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Posted: 8/11/2012 2:35:54 PM
Originally Posted By AssaultRifler:
painted walls are already primed, you want the best paint not primer Its a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to go over the walls with two coats of cheap killz and one coat of paint than to paint the walls 5 times to cover all the crap on it. Also, if theres artwork on the walls, the primer is needed to get the walls all back to one color so you dont have color bleed through in a few places on your final coat of paint. also, once you get killz oil based primer/sealer on you walls, you can then paint over it with oil based or latex based. The only problem happens when you paint latex based paint over oil based PAINT or vice versa. Killz PRIMER will accept any kind of paint once its dry. |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 2:39:34 PM
[Last Edit: 8/11/2012 2:39:57 PM by Winn]
Originally Posted By hkusp9:
Originally Posted By AssaultRifler:
painted walls are already primed, you want the best paint not primer Its a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to go over the walls with two coats of cheap killz and one coat of paint than to paint the walls 5 times to cover all the crap on it. Also, if theres artwork on the walls, the primer is needed to get the walls all back to one color so you dont have color bleed through in a few places on your final coat of paint. also, once you get killz oil based primer/sealer on you walls, you can then paint over it with oil based or latex based. The only problem happens when you paint latex based paint over oil based PAINT or vice versa. Killz PRIMER will accept any kind of paint once its dry. What kind of problems result from doing that? |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 2:43:07 PM
Originally Posted By Winn:
Originally Posted By hkusp9:
The only problem happens when you paint latex based paint over oil based PAINT or vice versa. Killz PRIMER will accept any kind of paint once its dry. What kind of problems result from doing that? bubbles up |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 2:52:30 PM
Latex goes over oil just fine.
Oil does NOT go over latex worth a darn. Oil (alkyd) paint is much harder when cured than latex. Putting a harder film over a softer film is a recipe for trouble. No one seems to want to actually prep walls worth a darn anymore. WASH the walls and then rinse them before you put ANYTHING on them. Think Spic n' Span and HOT water. Hot enough you need cloth gloves under the rubber ones. TSP (tri sodium phosphate) would be even better, but is restricted in some places. |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 3:24:52 PM
I was told by a painter that Bulls Eye has a higher concentration of titanium dioxide than most others. YMMV.
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pilotman
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Posted: 8/11/2012 4:28:13 PM
A guy I work with had a similar situation in his house - trying to cover some gaudy color.
Instead of buying a bunch of primers he just bought a can of the cheapest paint and put a bunch of coats on... said it was cheaper than multiple layers of more expensive primer. Probably more time consuming, though. |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 10:15:42 PM
Originally Posted By RyJones:
Originally Posted By Winn:
Originally Posted By hkusp9:
The only problem happens when you paint latex based paint over oil based PAINT or vice versa. Killz PRIMER will accept any kind of paint once its dry. What kind of problems result from doing that? bubbles up biggest problem is that it peels off. Like if you brush up against it walking down the hallway, it will completely peel off like saran wrap on old pizza. |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 10:17:18 PM
Originally Posted By brickeyee:
Latex goes over oil just fine. Oil does NOT go over latex worth a darn. Oil (alkyd) paint is much harder when cured than latex. Putting a harder film over a softer film is a recipe for trouble. No one seems to want to actually prep walls worth a darn anymore. WASH the walls and then rinse them before you put ANYTHING on them. Think Spic n' Span and HOT water. Hot enough you need cloth gloves under the rubber ones. TSP (tri sodium phosphate) would be even better, but is restricted in some places. Actually, youre absolutely correct, i had my stuff ass backwards. Thanks |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 10:54:00 PM
I've had good results with glidden gripper grey and white
If you want to do 1 coat and get things to a uniform color go with the grey Otherwise, plan on doing two coats and have the primer tinted to an off white color The darker you tint the primer the easier it will be to hide whats underneath (you are limited to 2oz/gal of pigment if I remember correctly) Prep, prep ad prep as others have said I can get you 20% off at home depot if you decide to go this route |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 11:10:34 PM
Originally Posted By aperdue:
I will also throw out a recommendation for Killz. |
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Posted: 8/12/2012 1:49:29 AM
Originally Posted By Handydave:
I've had good results with glidden gripper grey and white If you want to do 1 coat and get things to a uniform color go with the grey Otherwise, plan on doing two coats and have the primer tinted to an off white color The darker you tint the primer the easier it will be to hide whats underneath (you are limited to 2oz/gal of pigment if I remember correctly) Prep, prep ad prep as others have said I can get you 20% off at home depot if you decide to go this route How are you getting 20% off at HD? |
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Posted: 8/12/2012 2:12:47 AM
Originally Posted By raindog: It's expensive bit Zinsser BIN will do the best,or their Coverstain oil base primer will work also. You can topcoat it with latex paint with no problem. Yep. Worked for a painter when I was but a wee lad and all his guys like Bin123 better than KILLZ.
It's what I always use these days. |
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Posted: 8/12/2012 9:02:42 AM
Originally Posted By Arms_Reach:
Originally Posted By Handydave:
I've had good results with glidden gripper grey and white If you want to do 1 coat and get things to a uniform color go with the grey Otherwise, plan on doing two coats and have the primer tinted to an off white color The darker you tint the primer the easier it will be to hide whats underneath (you are limited to 2oz/gal of pigment if I remember correctly) Prep, prep ad prep as others have said I can get you 20% off at home depot if you decide to go this route How are you getting 20% off at HD? I buy over $7500 in paint a year ( it used to be 5,000 and now I enlist the help of others to get to the 7,500 for a win-win) |
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Posted: 8/12/2012 2:41:30 PM
Thanks everyone. Like I mentioned, this is a rental unit, and would just like to get it back to a paintable surface - so I'll probably go with a grey, or perhaps off white as I don't know what the next tenant will want to do in terms of paint. They might want white - they might want red, but I heed to get the "art work" off the wall and make the place look more presentable as opposed to a dungeon.
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