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Posted: 7/3/2011 5:35:32 PM
[Last Edit: 7/4/2011 8:13:09 AM by ColtRifle]
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT Size is 30x40. Two drive through doors are 9x9 insulated and the walk through door is insulation filled steel. The plan is to build the shop then hopefully sell the current house and build a new house near the shop building. Current house is for sale so we'll see. So far I have about $19,000 in it. We put 1.5 inch foam between the purlins for insulation. Then, everything is covered with double bubble foil sheets and then that's covered with the metal. The studs are 2x4s. I was going to put open cell spray foam between the studs but after getting a price quote, I changed my mind and just went with regular fiberglass. The fiberglass is decent and cheap and combined with the foam sheets, we will have a very well insulated shop building. I am very impressed with the foam this summer. It definately helps it stay MUCH cooler than without the insulation. I spec'd the builder to place the purlins 24 1/4 inches apart (not on center). That way, I could purchase 4x8 sheets of foam, and then split them into two 2x8 sheets. We will be putting another layer of foam sheets on the roof giving us a total of 3 inches of closed cell foam on the roof. I'll end up spraying closed cell foam on the gable ends to insulate them eventually. The interior will be finished with OSB. I wanted to get unmarked OSB but would have had to special order it and would have had to order more than I needed. So, I just went with regular OSB. I may end up painting it but haven't decided. It's going to be a working shop...not a showroom like some of those shops that you can see on GarageJournal!! Wiring is done. Have a 100 amp breaker box for the power. No power running to the shop yet...it's gonna cost me about $1200 to run an underground service. I'm relying on a generator for power at the moment. I installed a 30 amp 220 circuit for my air compressor and a 50 amp circuit for a welder. All the outlets are 20 amp. The lights are on one circuit and since I have some 14 ga wire in the light circuit, I installed a 15 amp breaker for that. There will be plenty of lights in the shop. I will post some updated outdoor pics once I get the grass mowed.
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Posted: 7/3/2011 8:00:09 PM
That's a nice shop, did u buy plans off line? I was looking at doing that in a few months
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Posted: 7/3/2011 8:11:48 PM
Originally Posted By qfast817:
That's a nice shop, did u buy plans off line? I was looking at doing that in a few months Nope. Just told the builder that I wanted a 30x40 shop building and he built it. 30x40 is a pretty common size around here. |
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Posted: 7/3/2011 9:27:39 PM
something like that you do not really need plans, it is a big square, with trusses.... Build a 2x4 or 2x6 wall depending on code and insulation, call up a truss company, and they will engineer for local code and loads...
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Posted: 7/3/2011 9:50:32 PM
Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise:
something like that you do not really need plans, it is a big square, with trusses.... Build a 2x4 or 2x6 wall depending on code and insulation, call up a truss company, and they will engineer for local code and loads... Yep that's what the builder did. Truss company engineered the trusses and he built the building. |
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Posted: 7/3/2011 10:10:03 PM
Shop looks great. The insulation will pay off.
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Posted: 7/4/2011 1:41:45 AM
In your last picture is the OSB sitting on the floor? Also why didn't you stagger the seams or start with the ceiling like sheetrock?
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Posted: 7/4/2011 8:10:23 AM
Originally Posted By Surtr:
In your last picture is the OSB sitting on the floor? Also why didn't you stagger the seams or start with the ceiling like sheetrock? The OSB pile is sitting on 2x4s to allow air to flow underneath. I didn't stagger the seams because I may cover the seams with 1x4s and I needed it to look uniform. I have not positively decided on that though. The OSB is simply durable wall covering. It's not needed for structural support. I'm not putting anything on the ceiling. I'm leaving that open for storage. |
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Posted: 7/4/2011 10:59:59 AM
What are you electrical plans?
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Posted: 7/4/2011 1:03:52 PM
Mind if I ask what the quote was for the spray foam?
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Posted: 7/4/2011 2:04:52 PM
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Posted: 7/4/2011 3:59:37 PM
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
What are you electrical plans? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I installed motion lights on each gable end on one switch. Another motion light between the two garage doors on its own switch. There will be 4 CFL bulbs for the garage bays and another 4 CFLs for the work area. I plan to install a 4 ft florescent light over each garage bay (in the area of a vehicle's open hood) and another 4 ft florescent light over the work bench. Should be plenty of light but able to be controlled as to how much is needed. All the lights are on one circuit except for the 4 ft florescent lights. There are garage door opener circuits for each garage door. They are connected to a light switch so that I can turn them on or off if desired. At the moment, I'm not planning to install garage door openers but want to have the circuit just in case I want them in the future. There is a 30 amp 220 circuit for the 60 gallon air compressor and a 50 amp circuit for a 220 stick welder. All the 110 outlets will be 20 amp circuits. There is one outlet on each side of the shop building with the exception of the north side. Decided that I really didn't need one there. There is one outlet every 6 feet...roughly. I also put an outlet on the inside between the garage doors. I am going to install the meter socket. The power will then run to the generator transfer switch. Then, it will feed the shop...and later the house. I don't have the power connected yet. Maybe later this year. If we get our house sold and start construction, we'll install the power ASAP. However, at this point, the shop is wired but we haven't made the connection to the grid yet. |
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Posted: 7/4/2011 4:09:16 PM
Originally Posted By roboman:
Mind if I ask what the quote was for the spray foam? They quoted me about $3000 for open cell foam just in the walls. I got a quote for closed cell foam in the ceiling and it would have brought the insulation cost to about $5500. I have about $1400 in the insulation sheets (total of about $1700 once I add the extra layer of foam to the bottom of the roof decking) plus about $400 in fiberglass and another $200 when I buy one of those small Tiger Foam kits to spray foam the gable ends. So, once it's all done, I estimate that I'll have about $2300 in my "hybrid" insulation system. I don't think that sprayed foam would be THAT much better to enable it to pay off in a reasonable amount of time vs the combo of closed cell foam sheets and fiberglass. There is also a layer of double bubble reflective foil over the foam (under the metal). I also spent a great deal of time with spray cans of foam to seal up any openings where air might flow into the wall cavities. I think the biggest air leakage by far will come from the garage doors. |
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Posted: 7/4/2011 4:11:35 PM
Here's the latest update. I spent about 5 hours on July 4th putting up more insulation and then the OSB. It's coming along slowly but that's what happens when you are a one person crew!!
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Posted: 7/4/2011 4:34:36 PM
Building is sure different between regions of the country.
That would have been pole built here. |
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Posted: 7/4/2011 11:21:40 PM
Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER:
Building is sure different between regions of the country. That would have been pole built here. Many people would pole build it here too. However, I just don't care for pole construction. Costs a little more to do it the way that I did but it'll be better in the end. The cost isn't sufficiently higher IMO to justify going with a pole barn for costs. |
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Posted: 7/4/2011 11:26:49 PM
19K seems pretty cheap. I'm building a 24 x 32 garage for a customer right now that is contracted for $40K. Subtract $3500 for demo of the existing structure.
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Posted: 7/4/2011 11:58:25 PM
[Last Edit: 7/5/2011 12:00:24 AM by ColtRifle]
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
19K seems pretty cheap. I'm building a 24 x 32 garage for a customer right now that is contracted for $40K. Subtract $3500 for demo of the existing structure. The initial dirt work, the concrete work, the framing, the double bubble foil, 2 insulated garage doors, 1 36 inch walk through door, and the metal was $15,800. I provided the windows. I'm at about $19,000 as it stands now. I did the finish dirt work with a tractor and loader. Once I finish installing the outlets and switches, the rest of the foam sheets, and hopefully the corrugated tin wainscoting, I expect to have about $21k-$22k in it. I had Amish builders build the structure. I'm finishing it. Cost of living (and building) is a LOT lower in MO than in CT!!!! This also required no permits and there are no inspections. |
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Posted: 7/5/2011 12:08:06 AM
Originally Posted By ColtRifle:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
19K seems pretty cheap. I'm building a 24 x 32 garage for a customer right now that is contracted for $40K. Subtract $3500 for demo of the existing structure. The initial dirt work, the concrete work, the framing, the double bubble foil, 2 insulated garage doors, 1 36 inch walk through door, and the metal was $15,800. I provided the windows. I'm at about $19,000 as it stands now. I did the finish dirt work with a tractor and loader. Once I finish installing the outlets and switches, the rest of the foam sheets, and hopefully the corrugated tin wainscoting, I expect to have about $21k-$22k in it. I had Amish builders build the structure. I'm finishing it. Cost of living (and building) is a LOT lower in MO than in CT!!!! This also required no permits and there are no inspections. Yeah, the construction costs here are high. I don't work for cheap either Three types of permits (demo, zoning, building) and two inspectors (zoning and building). |
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Posted: 7/5/2011 1:43:58 AM
What kind of security are you thinking about with those somewhat low to the windows?
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Posted: 7/5/2011 1:10:23 PM
[Last Edit: 7/5/2011 7:21:38 PM by ColtRifle]
Originally Posted By Surtr:
What kind of security are you thinking about with those somewhat low to the windows? The windows are 3x3 (roughly) and are 4 ft from the concrete....almost 5 feet from the outside ground. There are currently neighbors that help keep an eye on the building. I have motion lights over both windows (and they'll work once I get power!). The walk through door has a high quality lock and a heavy duty plate secured with long screws. Anyone who really wants to get it any building can. However, this is secure as I can make it without power. Since the neighbors leave their garages and houses unlocked most of the time, I'm thinking that my place will be an unlikely target. Eventually, we'll build the house and there will be more security features and cameras around the outside. |
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Posted: 7/5/2011 3:04:26 PM
Maybe make a frame of expanded metal grating to fit over the windows when your not around. I like your shop, you guys just build different then us up here.
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Posted: 7/5/2011 5:05:56 PM
Originally Posted By ColtRifle:
However, I just don't care for pole construction. I like having the open bays vs trusses. |
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Posted: 7/5/2011 5:15:04 PM
This is relevant to my interests.
I have a shop going in and will be building a 16x24 shed myself. |
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Posted: 7/5/2011 8:33:21 PM
You suck.
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Posted: 7/7/2011 12:27:27 AM
Originally Posted By ColtRifle:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
19K seems pretty cheap. I'm building a 24 x 32 garage for a customer right now that is contracted for $40K. Subtract $3500 for demo of the existing structure. The initial dirt work, the concrete work, the framing, the double bubble foil, 2 insulated garage doors, 1 36 inch walk through door, and the metal was $15,800. I provided the windows. I'm at about $19,000 as it stands now. I did the finish dirt work with a tractor and loader. Once I finish installing the outlets and switches, the rest of the foam sheets, and hopefully the corrugated tin wainscoting, I expect to have about $21k-$22k in it. I had Amish builders build the structure. I'm finishing it. Cost of living (and building) is a LOT lower in MO than in CT!!!! This also required no permits and there are no inspections. Colt–– Nice Building! I think you went the right way with stick frame. I have been pricing out 50x60 buildings of the pole barn variety. I wish I could go stick frame but I'm not planning on doing concrete until later. I can't afford to build the building I want big enough to hold all my crap. Where in MO are you? Grove |
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