Originally Posted By FMJ3:
Probably worse, I doubt the American spirit of rugged individualism is as highly prized over there. Seems to me you'd be more like a union worker in that society - you'll do OK, but be regulated from doing too good.

I still think the US has the most opportunity for anyone and still believe we probably have the most mobility up (and down) the economic ladder.

Originally Posted By FMJ3:
If I lived in Germany I'd need to make twice as much as I do now to live half as well, what's your point

Originally Posted By theinvisibleheart:


So Obama never had get to student loan?

And he lived in an estate instead of cramped apartment?

And where are you getting all this information that none of us are privy to?

Obama: I only paid off my student loans eight years ago
By Olivier Knox, Yahoo! News | The Ticket – Tue, Apr 24, 2012
(Carolyn Kaster/AP)

President Barack Obama, courting young voters crucial to his reelection, told a rowdy college-age crowd at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill on Tuesday that he knows first-hand about the burden of student loans because he only managed to pay his back a scant eight years ago.

"Michelle and I, we've been in your shoes," Obama, who turns 51 in August, told a cheering, capacity crowd of 8,000 at Carmichael Arena.

"Check this out, all right. I'm the president of the United States. We only finished paying off our student loans off about eight years ago.

That wasn't that long ago. And that wasn't easy––especially because when we had Malia and Sasha, we're supposed to be saving up for their college educations, and we're still paying off our college educations," he said.

Originally Posted By resteva:
If you know Obama had a student loan, by all means tell us where you got the information. Oh wait, those records are sealed!

Well he certainly attended very exclusive schools. And had enough money to buy "some blow".

We know very little about Obama, since he has ordered all his personal information sealed. Even his record from his practice at the law firm in Chicago, as well as his Illinois senate records are sealed. What could he possibly be hiding?

Yes, the most transparent Administration ever!

Obama's campaign has responded by blaming it all on the GOP, as though the people who plainly heard the speech didn't just think for themselves. Classy. Whenever a major gaffe occurs, Obama essentially always blames it on the Republican party, George Bush, or someone else.
Once again, he hates the most basic aspect of capitalism, which is personal responsibility.
I've posted repeatedly about this on the Capitalism Institute fan page, and a handful of Obama supporters have come out of the woodwork to defend their leader. The general argument is that Obama, in the speech, talked about teachers and roads being important, therefore that's all he was talking about.
This is intellectually bankrupt on several levels. Let's say I gave a speech and said:

a) We love teachers and need them.
b) You didn't build your business. Someone else did.

I'd be right about the first point. And then I'd be wrong about the second point. The idea that we can't focus on a specific point by Obama but have to ignore it and focus only on the fluffy things he says is just ridiculous. He's right about teachers being nice. It's the mockery and the insults to small business owners that are wrong.
Another fan of his rose to the occasion and said that we've got it all wrong, and that his use of the word "that" just meant "roads and bridges." Here's what Obama literally said again: "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
The liberal pro-Obama defense is that in the first sentence, his "that" didn't have anything to do with that sentence specifically; it somehow had something to do with earlier sentences.
So we essentially need to delete half of the sentence to make it work.
Of course, intellectual dishonesty rarely requires we ignore just one bit of information; intellectual dishonesty usually requires that we begin ignoring evidence left and right. This is no exception.
When Obama last talked about infrastructure, he was talking about "roads and bridges". Even then, you don't refer to "roads and bridges" as "that". You refer to them as "those", as in, "You didn't build those".
So what did Obama really mean? Exactly what he said: "If you've got a business, you didn't build that."

Originally Posted By FMJ3:


Guess I should have read that drivel and went in the fetal position instead of busting my ass for so many years, if I'd only been told sooner I was a born loser

I work in an industry where I meet a lot of people all over the country and have a lot conversations over lunches and dinners, my social climb is not unique.

Maybe you should create a poll thread and see what % here have moved up more than a couple of rungs

Originally Posted By IceStone:
Wow this has just got Liberals all upset doesn't it. But it's a misquote....Riiiiiiiiiight. LOL


Link

That about Sums it up ncely...nothing to see here people except Liberal Spin....and some funny pictures I will be posting.