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Posted: 8/2/2012 9:06:27 AM
Originally Posted By theinvisibleheart:
Originally Posted By Waldo0506:
PACs are good. They get their money from common men like me. They usually have very good accountants on the payroll to keep track. I do not see the issue. <–––––– donates far more to PACs than candidates I don't have problem with campaign donation if it's not concentrated, like under $200. That's not the case with SuperPAC donation. It's very concentrated, like millions or hundreds of thousands of dollars per entity with most of funding being concentrated among corporations/billionaires(who also represent industry interest). These folks are not giving money to promote democracy or America, but to buy political favors. FWIW, in foreign countries, esp. in emerging market, corporations do buy government influence/favors but here in USA, that is not a good thing, long term. Your concern is so cute. So, no problem with the MSM giving the equivalent of hundreds of millions to lefties in the form of free advertising, reading their press releases as news, and defending the bullshit against the truth. Super pac's allow folks to buy advertising time and help fund campaigns. I guess only the left should get any benefits. Still no reply on the millions vs the $15000 spent by the TEA party to defeat the T-SPLOTS tax, TXL |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 12:37:41 PM
look at SuperPAC funding differences b/w DNC and GOP, esp. regarding Romney vs. Obama.
You can find it at OpenSecrets.org Funding is much more concentrated among GOP/Romney compared to DNC/Obama. Even ignoring SuperPAC funding and concentrating among direct campaign contribution, much higher percentage of folks contributing to Romney is in denomination of $200 and above, while typical contribution to Obama is in much smaller denomination like $50. Originally Posted By TxLewis:
Originally Posted By theinvisibleheart:
Originally Posted By Waldo0506:
PACs are good. They get their money from common men like me. They usually have very good accountants on the payroll to keep track. I do not see the issue. <–––––– donates far more to PACs than candidates I don't have problem with campaign donation if it's not concentrated, like under $200. That's not the case with SuperPAC donation. It's very concentrated, like millions or hundreds of thousands of dollars per entity with most of funding being concentrated among corporations/billionaires(who also represent industry interest). These folks are not giving money to promote democracy or America, but to buy political favors. FWIW, in foreign countries, esp. in emerging market, corporations do buy government influence/favors but here in USA, that is not a good thing, long term. Your concern is so cute. So, no problem with the MSM giving the equivalent of hundreds of millions to lefties in the form of free advertising, reading their press releases as news, and defending the bullshit against the truth. Super pac's allow folks to buy advertising time and help fund campaigns. I guess only the left should get any benefits. Still no reply on the millions vs the $15000 spent by the TEA party to defeat the T-SPLOTS tax, TXL |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 12:40:27 PM
look at typical contribution by unions vs. corporation.
Money from unions is a drop in the bucket compared to corporate money. Hate to break it up to you but unions are poor compared to corporation. Less than 15% of labor force in US is unionized and unions get their funding from union memberships, and most unionized members are not corporate CEOs making millions or tens of millions or hundreds of million dollars a year. Most lobbies in Washington are funded by corporate/billionaire money, not union fees. Originally Posted By Col-W:
Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
PRIOR to the Supremes decisions the Democratic party had Unions, 1000's of Unions giving them money hand over fist but they're not super pac's,,,but the business' the raped, pillaged and plundered for 100 years had no means to fight back against their Marxist agenda of the last 60 years..until now. I think that about sums up, especially the "raped, pillaged and plundered" part - if liberals are complaining its because someone is doing something to negatively affect what they are doing. I have this dream - where Tea Party folks, some Neo-conservatives, select liberals and the great silent non-voting blocks re-embrace historic American principles and turn back the Marxist tide and the Marxist become so frustrated that they move to China. Of course, we help them PAC! :-) Complete with a re-location bonus and free moving services. Honestly I don't understand why they don't do that anyway, why do they want to waste all of their time converting a free society into a slave society when they can just move to one and enjoy everything painted drab green or dirty shades of grey and utilitarian designed everything? |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 12:42:22 PM
99% of folks in US are not corporations or billionaires.
Instead of one man one vote, it's getting to be more like voting power based on amount of money corporation/billionaire/lobby can leverage. Is that GOOD for democracy? Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
what the fuck is a super pac? PEOPLE, PEOPLE support super pac's, business' support super pacs, PEOPLE Support business' and regardless of what the left wing pinhead insist, Business' are PEOPLE with out customers, without employees, there is no business. PRIOR to the Supremes decisions the Democratic party had Unions, 1000's of Unions giving them money hand over fist but they're not super pac's,,,but the business' the raped, pillaged and plundered for 100 years had no means to fight back against their Marxist agenda of the last 60 years..until now. you sir or madame are an Agent Provocateur with an obvious agenda from the Left.. ![]() |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:09:52 PM
[Last Edit: 8/2/2012 1:19:56 PM by douglasmorris99]
Originally Posted By theinvisibleheart:
99% of folks in US are not corporations or billionaires. Instead of one man one vote, it's getting to be more like voting power based on amount of money corporation/billionaire/lobby can leverage. Is that GOOD for democracy? Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
what the fuck is a super pac? PEOPLE, PEOPLE support super pac's, business' support super pacs, PEOPLE Support business' and regardless of what the left wing pinhead insist, Business' are PEOPLE with out customers, without employees, there is no business. PRIOR to the Supremes decisions the Democratic party had Unions, 1000's of Unions giving them money hand over fist but they're not super pac's,,,but the business' the raped, pillaged and plundered for 100 years had no means to fight back against their Marxist agenda of the last 60 years..until now. you sir or madame are an Agent Provocateur with an obvious agenda from the Left.. ![]() so, Jim Bob Hardass..owner of Evil Conservative Meat Company has 3k employees, HE goes to the local voting both on election day and gets to "pull the lever" 3001 times
your training is working well, you twist the words to fit the subject, THERE would be NO Corporations and few BILLIONAIR's with out PEOPLE supporting them, makeing them work and either buying goods or services and managing the content of the business for sucess. we still have one man one vote, we do have untold billions spent by the LEFT for the last 30 years bent on the destruction of freedom. the UNIONS of old, while lower in numbers have "spread the wealth around" in the development of planned parent hood, ACORN, PETA and other such organizations, near destruction of our public school system where young minds full of mush, such as yours has been led to beleive their agenda.... I have fought against your ilk since I was a teenager, from the jungles of south east asia to the streets of Dallas Texas as I learned to recongnise your brand of evil ong ago My father knew what a Progressive was many years before my birth and warned me..but, I didnt see it until it was too lage....again, you speak for Fabian socialism regardless of your attempts here and it will not stand.. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:53:20 PM
[Last Edit: 8/2/2012 9:24:59 PM by theinvisibleheart]
ever hear of Al Gore claiming to have invented the Internet? Turns out to be a hoax/myth but it's regarded as truth by lot of folks on the side of GOP. http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
Money can influence politics, including votes, via advertising, not by pulling the lever 1,000,000 times. And that is why corporations spend money on politics. To affect political outcome and buy favors to further their political/economic self-interest, usually not in favor of country as a whole. Army Purchases of $17,000 Pans Tied to Kentucky Lawmaker Bloomberg News Army Purchases of $17,000 Pans Tied to Kentucky Lawmaker By Stephanie Armour on May 19, 2012 Representative Harold Rogers of Kentucky directed millions of dollars in business to Kentucky company Phoenix Products Co., one of his campaign contributors, for $17,000 leak-proof drip pans for U.S. Army helicopters when similar products can be bought for about $2,500, according to a competitor. Robert Skillen, chief engineer at VX Aerospace Corp., a Leesburg, Virginia-based advanced composites manufacturing and design company, said an earmark Rogers added to a 2009 spending bill provided funding to buy the leak-proof pans for the Army from Phoenix Products in McKee, Kentucky. Skillen said his company sells drip pans for $2,471. “You think Hal Rogers cares they spent five times more than they’re worth? He just wants campaign money,” Skillen, who is at the Morganton, North Carolina, manufacturing facility, said in an interview. “He just wants campaign money. It’s spending taxpayer money for personal profit.” Measuring Rates of Return for Lobbying Expenditures: An Empirical Case Study of Tax Breaks for Multinational Corporations Measuring Rates of Return for Lobbying Expenditures: An Empirical Case Study of Tax Breaks for Multinational Corporations by Raquel Meyer Alexander, Stephen W. Mazza, & Susan Scholz Abstract: In this paper we use audited corporate tax disclosures relating to a tax holiday on repatriated earnings created by the American Jobs Creation Act of 2004 to examine the return on lobbying. We find firms lobbying for this provision have a return in excess of $220 for every $1 spent on lobbying, or 22,000%. Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
so, Jim Bob Hardass..owner of Evil Conservative Meat Company has 3k employees, HE goes to the local voting both on election day and gets to "pull the lever" 3001 times
your training is working well, you twist the words to fit the subject, THERE would be NO Corporations and few BILLIONAIR's with out PEOPLE supporting them, makeing them work and either buying goods or services and managing the content of the business for sucess. we still have one man one vote, we do have untold billions spent by the LEFT for the last 30 years bent on the destruction of freedom. the UNIONS of old, while lower in numbers have "spread the wealth around" in the development of planned parent hood, ACORN, PETA and other such organizations, near destruction of our public school system where young minds full of mush, such as yours has been led to beleive their agenda.... I have fought against your ilk since I was a teenager, from the jungles of south east asia to the streets of Dallas Texas as I learned to recongnise your brand of evil ong ago My father knew what a Progressive was many years before my birth and warned me..but, I didnt see it until it was too lage....again, you speak for Fabian socialism regardless of your attempts here and it will not stand.. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:55:18 PM
I'm done with concern troll.
TXL |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 2:06:54 PM
Originally Posted By TxLewis:
I'm done with concern troll. TXL Paying $17,000 for oil drip pan is for good of USA, right? And campaign contribution had ZILCH to do with it, right? And money doesn't talk in politics, right? And politics and money and corruption does not exist in Texas, right? |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 2:08:48 PM
Originally Posted By TxLewis:
I'm done with concern troll. TXL gonna have to go with you... wants to stir up shit, then restorts to NAH NAH NAH NAH NAHNAH not that there are more Democrat politicos in prizon than repubs ![]() |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 2:14:16 PM
[Last Edit: 8/2/2012 2:45:03 PM by theinvisibleheart]
Yup, Texas politics is clean as a whistle.
Ever hear of Tom Delay? Staunch conservative? Ever watch the documentary The Big Buy? Government of the Lobbyists, by the Lobbyists, and for the Lobbyists...world according to Delay GOP Rep. DeLay turns himself in for booking Rep. DeLay turns himself in for booking Friday, October 21, 2005; Posted: 6:15 a.m. EDT (10:15 GMT) (CNN) –– Rep. Tom DeLay, the former House majority leader who faces conspiracy and money laundering charges, turned himself in Thursday in Houston, one day after an arrest warrant was issued for him. DeLay walked into the bonding department of the Harris County Sheriff's Office shortly after noon and was fingerprinted, photographed and released after posting $10,000 bond, sheriff's spokeswoman Lisa Martinez said. Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
Originally Posted By TxLewis:
I'm done with concern troll. TXL gonna have to go with you... wants to stir up shit, then restorts to NAH NAH NAH NAH NAHNAH not that there are more Democrat politicos in prizon than repubs ![]() |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 2:47:37 PM
[Last Edit: 8/2/2012 2:55:57 PM by theinvisibleheart]
Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
I have fought against your ilk since I was a teenager, from the jungles of south east asia to the streets of Dallas Texas as I learned to recongnise your brand of evil ong ago My father knew what a Progressive was many years before my birth and warned me..but, I didnt see it until it was too lage....again, you speak for Fabian socialism regardless of your attempts here and it will not stand.. Do you even have a clue as to what Communism was like in Vietnam after fall of Saigon, LOL? I've talked to concentration camp survivors(so called re-education camps) and they would laugh at you if you equated government in today's Europe/Japan/US(under Obama/Democrats) to that of government under Ho Chi Minh. Ditto for folks who actually lived in Soviet Union and in China under Mao. Public education, universities, healthcare, etc. does not equate to socialism or Communism. In real socialism/communism, private enterprise was not allowed and cronyism (buying of governmental favors) was rampant(sound familiar to today's government by lobbyists?). Historically speaking, in most countries, government did own some properties and provided some services. That does not make the country socialist or communist. By your definition, Switzerland today would be classified as socialism. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 9:28:51 PM
Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
PEOPLE, PEOPLE support super pac's, business' support super pacs, PEOPLE Support business' and regardless of what the left wing pinhead insist, Business' are PEOPLE with out customers, without employees, there is no business. so if corporations are people, what about MNC(multi national corporations)? Are they also people? Equal to US citizens? Even when significant portion of corporate stocks are owned by foreign nationals/foreign corporations? In Finance 101, I learned that firms exist to serve the interests of shareholders...not the interest of the country in which it resides in or operates in or where it's based. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 9:31:14 PM
so corporations give money to SuperPACs to promote free society, not to advance their own agenda?
That's really strange, if true, because in Finance 101, I recall learning that firms exist to serve the interest of shareholders, not the interest of public or the country that they reside in or operate in. Where did you learn that corporations give money to promote free society? Originally Posted By Col-W:
I think that about sums up, especially the "raped, pillaged and plundered" part - if liberals are complaining its because someone is doing something to negatively affect what they are doing. I have this dream - where Tea Party folks, some Neo-conservatives, select liberals and the great silent non-voting blocks re-embrace historic American principles and turn back the Marxist tide and the Marxist become so frustrated that they move to China. Of course, we help them PAC! :-) Complete with a re-location bonus and free moving services. Honestly I don't understand why they don't do that anyway, why do they want to waste all of their time converting a free society into a slave society when they can just move to one and enjoy everything painted drab green or dirty shades of grey and utilitarian designed everything? |
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Posted: 8/3/2012 10:01:38 AM
Originally Posted By theinvisibleheart:
Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
I have fought against your ilk since I was a teenager, from the jungles of south east asia to the streets of Dallas Texas as I learned to recongnise your brand of evil ong ago My father knew what a Progressive was many years before my birth and warned me..but, I didnt see it until it was too lage....again, you speak for Fabian socialism regardless of your attempts here and it will not stand.. Do you even have a clue as to what Communism was like in Vietnam after fall of Saigon, LOL? I've talked to concentration camp survivors(so called re-education camps) and they would laugh at you if you equated government in today's Europe/Japan/US(under Obama/Democrats) to that of government under Ho Chi Minh. Ditto for folks who actually lived in Soviet Union and in China under Mao. Public education, universities, healthcare, etc. does not equate to socialism or Communism. In real socialism/communism, private enterprise was not allowed and cronyism (buying of governmental favors) was rampant(sound familiar to today's government by lobbyists?). Historically speaking, in most countries, government did own some properties and provided some services. That does not make the country socialist or communist. By your definition, Switzerland today would be classified as socialism. I Fought in Viet Nam and know exactly what that place was like and how much of a pawn it was between the USA and the ChiCom.. we are on the road to your Marxist utopia and every time it's been attemtped, there's been reeducation camp for my type, and bullets in the head for the scienties, the pastors, the doctors and the useful idiots.. You need to return to the Chicago Mob and hone your tactics, I'm out. you refuse to answer a question, you change the subject and continue with your Alinsky defenses.. while you may bring up Tom Delay. as I said MORE DEMOCRATS have done time than Republicans.didnt say they were clean, just cleaner...I wont play an longer.. have fun at DU... |
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Posted: 8/3/2012 10:25:38 AM
[Last Edit: 8/3/2012 10:27:35 AM by Warhawk]
Originally Posted By theinvisibleheart:
look at SuperPAC funding differences b/w DNC and GOP, esp. regarding Romney vs. Obama. You can find it at OpenSecrets.org Funding is much more concentrated among GOP/Romney compared to DNC/Obama. Even ignoring SuperPAC funding and concentrating among direct campaign contribution, much higher percentage of folks contributing to Romney is in denomination of $200 and above, while typical contribution to Obama is in much smaller denomination like $50. Have you ever tried to cash in $200 worth of food stamps? |
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Posted: 8/4/2012 12:36:14 PM
Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
I Fought in Viet Nam and know exactly what that place was like and how much of a pawn it was between the USA and the ChiCom.. we are on the road to your Marxist utopia and every time it's been attemtped, there's been reeducation camp for my type, and bullets in the head for the scienties, the pastors, the doctors and the useful idiots.. while I may seem dense, how does fighting in South Vietnam under US side equate to experience of living under Communism in North Vietnam under Ho Chi Minh? I appreciate your patience and attempt to my own personal edification. Also, how do you reason that Japan/Europe/developed countries is on the way to "Marxist utopia and ...reeducation camp...bullets in the head for the scientists, the pastors, the doctors..."? I really fail to see the connection. Thank you. |
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Posted: 8/4/2012 1:36:03 PM
Originally Posted By Woody600:
Many elections require the courting of moderates. The Tea Party has a poor track record for doing so. Many elections cannot be won off of the far right alone. How will the Tea Party address this challenge?
This is patently false at the local (e.g. House) level and holds water like a leaky bucket at the state (e.g. Senate) level. See also: Ted Cruz. |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 4:44:05 PM
I for one, as a TEA person, am totally psyched with Paul Ryan as the Veep pick.
Do others have the same opinion? |
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