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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:32:55 PM EDT
Was able to catch this Monday morning... thought I'd start this thread as I don't see one yet.
Some thoughts: 1) I loved the way the writers worked in the "no, YOU miove" speech. Great fandom nod there. 2) The writers managed a "twists and turns" story akin to the one from "Skyfall" without making it dependent upon a series of impossible coincidences - solidly done. Maybe a second viewing would reveal more plot holes, but I was happy with the premise. 3) Seeing it just a few days after watching Batman v. Superman really made the better writing of the former stick out, but both featured an interesting take on mommy issues. 4) Wish I'd had the chance to see it in 3D. 5) I did not expect them to enter in the Spidey Story at the stage that they did... an interesting new take. My only beef so far is that the characters who are not bullet proof or super-powered continue to seem to be. But this isn't exactly inconsistent with comic books or earlier movies. That, and I knew from the previews there were scenes yet to come, ruining a twist. |
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Glad to hear that it didn't suck, I'll hopefully actually get to catch this one sooner or later.
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Do they acknowledge Agents of SHIELD in any way? View Quote No. One of my peeves right now with the Marvel Universe is that it has been clear since at least the last Avengers movie that Agents of SHIELD has spun off its own universe, a fact only further reinforced by season three of Agents of SHIELD. I'm truly curious how they are going to work the Inhumans into the movie universe, as I am doubting whether any of the Agents of SHIELD backstory will be relevent. It's a shame, really, because it wouldn't take much at all to fit things in. instead, we have flat-out contradictory events, such as the SHIELD helicarrier coming to the rescue in Age of Ultron while SHIELD's continued existence is still a surprise to people in the TV universe. This particular storyline, though, really didn't need to invoke SHIELD. |
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Glad to hear that it didn't suck, I'll hopefully actually get to catch this one sooner or later. View Quote It definitely didn't suck. And the Captain America movies continue to be the strongest in the ensemble. Not sure how this would flow as a standalone sequel to the other two, though, without The Avengers stories added to it. I think it would work, though, despite Sokovia and what happened there being key to the plot. Enough backstory is told in the movie that I think Age of Ultron is a bonus, and not mandatory. |
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No. One of my peeves right now with the Marvel Universe is that it has been clear since at least the last Avengers movie that Agents of SHIELD has spun off its own universe, a fact only further reinforced by season three of Agents of SHIELD. I'm truly curious how they are going to work the Inhumans into the movie universe, as I am doubting whether any of the Agents of SHIELD backstory will be relevent. It's a shame, really, because it wouldn't take much at all to fit things in. instead, we have flat-out contradictory events, such as the SHIELD helicarrier coming to the rescue in Age of Ultron while SHIELD's continued existence is still a surprise to people in the TV universe. This particular storyline, though, really didn't need to invoke SHIELD. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Do they acknowledge Agents of SHIELD in any way? No. One of my peeves right now with the Marvel Universe is that it has been clear since at least the last Avengers movie that Agents of SHIELD has spun off its own universe, a fact only further reinforced by season three of Agents of SHIELD. I'm truly curious how they are going to work the Inhumans into the movie universe, as I am doubting whether any of the Agents of SHIELD backstory will be relevent. It's a shame, really, because it wouldn't take much at all to fit things in. instead, we have flat-out contradictory events, such as the SHIELD helicarrier coming to the rescue in Age of Ultron while SHIELD's continued existence is still a surprise to people in the TV universe. This particular storyline, though, really didn't need to invoke SHIELD. What about agent carter? |
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Do they acknowledge Agents of SHIELD in any way? No. One of my peeves right now with the Marvel Universe is that it has been clear since at least the last Avengers movie that Agents of SHIELD has spun off its own universe, a fact only further reinforced by season three of Agents of SHIELD. I'm truly curious how they are going to work the Inhumans into the movie universe, as I am doubting whether any of the Agents of SHIELD backstory will be relevent. It's a shame, really, because it wouldn't take much at all to fit things in. instead, we have flat-out contradictory events, such as the SHIELD helicarrier coming to the rescue in Age of Ultron while SHIELD's continued existence is still a surprise to people in the TV universe. This particular storyline, though, really didn't need to invoke SHIELD. What about agent carter? I don't recall anything from that series ever contradicted by the movies... but I can't say I would have noticed tiny details. She was, of course, mentioned - and her niece continues to play a role, |
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i think its gonna be crap. there are too may characters...from my past observations. when ever there are too many characters in a comic driven movie it will definitely suck.
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i think its gonna be crap. there are too may characters...from my past observations. when ever there are too many characters in a comic driven movie it will definitely suck. View Quote http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/captain_america_civil_war/ |
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Quoted: i think its gonna be crap. there are too may characters...from my past observations. when ever there are too many characters in a comic driven movie it will definitely suck. View Quote Hasn't seen the movie yet but has already decided it will suck... even though all reviews say it's awesome. I saw it tonight and it was fantastic. Spiderman is a badass and I'm looking forward to the standalone movie to make up for the last 3 disastrous movies. The Dr. Strange trailer plays beforehand and that one looks incredible, as well. |
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Whedon was able to balance 9 main characters on Firefly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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i think its gonna be crap. there are too may characters...from my past observations. when ever there are too many characters in a comic driven movie it will definitely suck. Whedon was able to balance 9 main characters on Firefly. It was well done. Making it a Captain America movie allowed the focus to be where it needed to be. |
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Just got back. It was good. I think it was balanced pretty well and didn't need a lot of character development.
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This particular storyline, though, really didn't need to invoke SHIELD. View Quote No, but since the Netflix shows are part of the MCU, it would have been cool if they had some acknowledgement of Daredevil, Punisher, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones. Even if it was on the news on the TV in the Spider-Man recruitment scene or something. Overall it was awesome. After all is said an done I'm not sure how anyone could be on "Team Stark". |
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Quoted: No, but since the Netflix shows are part of the MCU, it would have been cool if they had some acknowledgement of Daredevil, Punisher, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones. Even if it was on the news on the TV in the Spider-Man recruitment scene or something. Overall it was awesome. After all is said an done I'm not sure how anyone could be on "Team Stark". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: This particular storyline, though, really didn't need to invoke SHIELD. No, but since the Netflix shows are part of the MCU, it would have been cool if they had some acknowledgement of Daredevil, Punisher, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones. Even if it was on the news on the TV in the Spider-Man recruitment scene or something. Overall it was awesome. After all is said an done I'm not sure how anyone could be on "Team Stark". I have a feeling that, moving forward, there won't be a Team Stark. Tony was already seeing the error of his ways toward the end of the movie. |
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I have a feeling that, moving forward, there won't be a Team Stark. Tony was already seeing the error of his ways toward the end of the movie. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This particular storyline, though, really didn't need to invoke SHIELD. No, but since the Netflix shows are part of the MCU, it would have been cool if they had some acknowledgement of Daredevil, Punisher, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones. Even if it was on the news on the TV in the Spider-Man recruitment scene or something. Overall it was awesome. After all is said an done I'm not sure how anyone could be on "Team Stark". I have a feeling that, moving forward, there won't be a Team Stark. Tony was already seeing the error of his ways toward the end of the movie. Maybe they are de-emphasizing Stark and making him a bit unlikable so that we won't mind as much when the character is no longer being played by RDJ. |
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Maybe they are de-emphasizing Stark and making him a bit unlikable so that we won't mind as much when the character is no longer being played by RDJ. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This particular storyline, though, really didn't need to invoke SHIELD. No, but since the Netflix shows are part of the MCU, it would have been cool if they had some acknowledgement of Daredevil, Punisher, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones. Even if it was on the news on the TV in the Spider-Man recruitment scene or something. Overall it was awesome. After all is said an done I'm not sure how anyone could be on "Team Stark". I have a feeling that, moving forward, there won't be a Team Stark. Tony was already seeing the error of his ways toward the end of the movie. Maybe they are de-emphasizing Stark and making him a bit unlikable so that we won't mind as much when the character is no longer being played by RDJ. i thought they reupped RDJ for a bunch more films. Talk about a man that took a career chance and will probably walk away a Billionaire from it. |
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Just saw it with the wife and kids, everyone loved it.
One of the very best MCU films, minor quibbles aside. |
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it was okay, end of day it was a revenge movie where a regular guy outsmarts a dozen plus superheroes.
it also seems like nearly every character is near superman in abilities, at least the ability to take a punch or fly through the air 50 feet after a punch into a concrete wall. maybe its just me, but all these superhero movies are starting to run together... well, at least one other guy, lots of punching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJvUTFVqwJQ |
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Caught it last night. I felt they did a good job.
SPOILER: While I thought it was interesting to introduce villains such as Crossbones, Baron Zemo, and members of the Winter Army, it's a pity some were short lived. |
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Do they acknowledge Agents of SHIELD in any way? View Quote The Sokovia Accords was mentioned on AoS the other night. Since SHIELD is back to being a shadow organization, they're trying to avoid getting messed up in the Sokovia Accords. |
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No, but since the Netflix shows are part of the MCU, it would have been cool if they had some acknowledgement of Daredevil, Punisher, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones. Even if it was on the news on the TV in the Spider-Man recruitment scene or something. Overall it was awesome. After all is said an done I'm not sure how anyone could be on "Team Stark". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This particular storyline, though, really didn't need to invoke SHIELD. No, but since the Netflix shows are part of the MCU, it would have been cool if they had some acknowledgement of Daredevil, Punisher, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones. Even if it was on the news on the TV in the Spider-Man recruitment scene or something. Overall it was awesome. After all is said an done I'm not sure how anyone could be on "Team Stark". Seriously? Click To View Spoiler Cap got played like a douche and dragged the Avengers down with him. The only thing he did that was justified during that whole movie was plant one on hottie. He should have stuck with that.
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Seriously? Click To View Spoiler Cap got played like a douche and dragged the Avengers down with him. The only thing he did that was justified during that whole movie was plant one on hottie. He should have stuck with that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This particular storyline, though, really didn't need to invoke SHIELD. No, but since the Netflix shows are part of the MCU, it would have been cool if they had some acknowledgement of Daredevil, Punisher, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones. Even if it was on the news on the TV in the Spider-Man recruitment scene or something. Overall it was awesome. After all is said an done I'm not sure how anyone could be on "Team Stark". Seriously? Click To View Spoiler Cap got played like a douche and dragged the Avengers down with him. The only thing he did that was justified during that whole movie was plant one on hottie. He should have stuck with that. Seriously you. How so? Click To View Spoiler Stark is projecting his guilt on the team. As a war-time soldier Cap, accepts that there are going to be non-combatant casualties in battles/wars. You can save the world, but not everyone on it.
Stark comes off as Stark... arrogant, one-sided, and uncompromising (even when he thinks he is). He sounds more like a politician than someone than a hero. He tells Cap "Just sign it now, we can make changes to it later". That sounds like something that should be coming out of the mouth of a Obama or Clinton. They can have oversight from within. Stark didn't put the Ultron plan to a vote with the team. Why? Because he knew they would all be against it. So he did what he wanted. His actions are the biggest reason for the Sokovia Accords and his own personal guilt. That's not on the Avengers. He should be singled out and held personally accountable and if he had any real integrity he would have done that instead of throwing his whole team under the bus for covering his arse. Tony is a great character. He's hard not to like but he gives people every reason to hate him. NYC... that's on S.H.I.E.L.D. (a government agency... and Hydra) being the main cause for that disaster by messing with the Tesseract. The Avengers cleaning up someone else's mess, although at that point they were recruited by S.H.I.E.L.D., but the world counsel was ready to nuke the city. Would they have spun a huge crate where Manhattan was as being the Avenger's fault too? I have a hard time understanding how there's even a choice between Team Cap and Team Stark. I guess it's like voting for or against gun "rights" though. If anything, Stark got played by that lady with her sob story about her son and Secretary of State [General] Ross (a guy who has a history of going rogue and causing all kinds of unnecessary damage trying to catch the Hulk). Stark's reaction was akin to gun control measures following Sandy Hook: all emotional. |
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No. One of my peeves right now with the Marvel Universe is that it has been clear since at least the last Avengers movie that Agents of SHIELD has spun off its own universe, a fact only further reinforced by season three of Agents of SHIELD. I'm truly curious how they are going to work the Inhumans into the movie universe, as I am doubting whether any of the Agents of SHIELD backstory will be relevent. It's a shame, really, because it wouldn't take much at all to fit things in. instead, we have flat-out contradictory events, such as the SHIELD helicarrier coming to the rescue in Age of Ultron while SHIELD's continued existence is still a surprise to people in the TV universe. This particular storyline, though, really didn't need to invoke SHIELD. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Do they acknowledge Agents of SHIELD in any way? No. One of my peeves right now with the Marvel Universe is that it has been clear since at least the last Avengers movie that Agents of SHIELD has spun off its own universe, a fact only further reinforced by season three of Agents of SHIELD. I'm truly curious how they are going to work the Inhumans into the movie universe, as I am doubting whether any of the Agents of SHIELD backstory will be relevent. It's a shame, really, because it wouldn't take much at all to fit things in. instead, we have flat-out contradictory events, such as the SHIELD helicarrier coming to the rescue in Age of Ultron while SHIELD's continued existence is still a surprise to people in the TV universe. This particular storyline, though, really didn't need to invoke SHIELD. Not really, in age of ultron there was a bit of talk about having dusted it off out of hiding or something. everyone was surprised to se fury. |
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I saw the movie this last Saturday, the same day I got back from Yellowstone. I'd been up since 4:30AM, but I went to a 10:30PM IMAX 3D show anyway and didn't get out till 1:30AM, but I didn't regret it. What an awesome movie. I have to go see that again at least once.
Everything about this movie worked, without a false beat to it, IMHO. Every character had a part to play and they were all excellent. Easily one of the top three MCU movies, up there with Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy. |
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BTW with respect to crossing over with AoS, there are huge logistic problems. Movies are written and cast at least a year and sometimes two or three years in advance. TV shows are planned month to month. How do you bring in, say, Agent May in a guest role in an Avengers movie when maybe she gets killed off, or paralyzed, or taken over by an alien mind control bug in the episode of the show that airs before the movie? It's not workable.
They can and have had movie people cross over into the TV show: Maria Hill and Nick Fury. But for the most part, these are expensive actors who would cost a good portion of the show's weekly budget for a guest spot. Also, they can't cross over the Netflix shows to AoS either because the actors are contracted to different studios. Crossing over the Netflix stars to a movie would run into the same problems as AoS. The most they can do is mention the happenings in the movie universe during the TV shows. |
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BTW with respect to crossing over with AoS, there are huge logistic problems. Movies are written and cast at least a year and sometimes two or three years in advance. TV shows are planned month to month. How do you bring in, say, Agent May in a guest role in an Avengers movie when maybe she gets killed off, or paralyzed, or taken over by an alien mind control bug in the episode of the show that airs before the movie? It's not workable. They can and have had movie people cross over into the TV show: Maria Hill and Nick Fury. But for the most part, these are expensive actors who would cost a good portion of the show's weekly budget for a guest spot. Also, they can't cross over the Netflix shows to AoS either because the actors are contracted to different studios. Crossing over the Netflix stars to a movie would run into the same problems as AoS. The most they can do is mention the happenings in the movie universe during the TV shows. View Quote Since Whedon has been overseeing the writing of both AoS and the movies, continuity has been consistent. Once a release date is picked for a movie, the season(s) worth of story lines need to be written to fit within that time period. I noticed AoS and Agent Carter both had either back to back episodes, or took a week or two off from time to time, and that may have been done to make series events happen in the right order. It leaves room for cases in which a show may require re-scheduling. The character crossovers haven't all been one sided, from movie to TV. In Captain America 2 there were characters that were introduced on AoS |
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The character crossovers haven't all been one sided, from movie to TV. In Captain America 2 there were characters that were introduced on AoS View Quote Which ones? I'm not looking for major crossover event between the show and the movies, but it would be nice if they gave a nod to the fans of the show in the movies. Something like having a member of Coulson's team on the helicarrier in Ultron. Something simple or even at the level of an Easter egg. Eta: Saw the movie over the weekend with my boys. We all thought it was pretty good. I think they did a great job with Black Panther and Spidey. |
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I stand corrected. Maximiliano Hernández (aka Agent Jasper Sitwell) appeared in the movie Thor before appearing on three episodes of AoS, Avengers, and Captain America 2.
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He appeared in a couple of the One Shot shorts on the blurays as well.
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