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Posted: 8/4/2016 12:25:41 AM EDT
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I did some shooting instruction to a 4H group the other day and we opened the meeting with the Pledge of Allegiance.I hadnt said it in a while.
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Posted: 8/4/2016 9:20:24 PM EDT
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I do. I don't think it will become against Christ because it does stand for Christ. Especially if we all stand united.
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Posted: 8/5/2016 7:42:01 PM EDT
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The current pledge is unconstitutional. It was made that way in 1953 during the communist scare.
Eisenhower's words. "From this day forward, the millions of our school children will daily proclaim in every city and town, every village and rural school house, the dedication of our nation and our people to the Almighty.... In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource, in peace or in war." This is clearly a violation of the 1st and the separation of church and state. I say the pledge but drop the under god part. The flag is a few pieces of clothe the real thing we pledge to is the nation, which is the people bound together by the Constitution. |
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Posted: 8/5/2016 11:52:53 PM EDT
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I ask because I recently heard the argument that the flag, now doesn't represent a Christian nation, and some people don't recite it. Me? I did tonight at a Boy Scout court of honor.
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Posted: 8/6/2016 9:56:05 AM EDT
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The current pledge is unconstitutional. It was made that way in 1953 during the communist scare. Eisenhower's words. This is clearly a violation of the 1st and the separation of church and state. I say the pledge but drop the under god part. The flag is a few pieces of clothe the real thing we pledge to is the nation, which is the people bound together by the Constitution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The current pledge is unconstitutional. It was made that way in 1953 during the communist scare. Eisenhower's words. "From this day forward, the millions of our school children will daily proclaim in every city and town, every village and rural school house, the dedication of our nation and our people to the Almighty.... In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource, in peace or in war." This is clearly a violation of the 1st and the separation of church and state. I say the pledge but drop the under god part. The flag is a few pieces of clothe the real thing we pledge to is the nation, which is the people bound together by the Constitution. That's the atheist point of view for sure. Why do you troll here op when you are one ! |
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Posted: 8/13/2016 7:53:10 PM EDT
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I did as a kid. Sometime in my mid 20s I stopped. I'll stand, hand-over-heart, but keep my mouth shut.
I don't really expect there to be any sort of major issue between my faith and the US government anytime soon, but I don't feel any special allegiance to a bunch of bureaucrats in DC, a particular pattern of colors on a piece of fabric, or historical boarders on a map. The USA is currently the best system of government we have, but if something better comes up I'm going for it. ETA: I find the idea of the US being a "Christian nation" is laughable. |
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Posted: 8/13/2016 11:21:30 PM EDT
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Secularism is quite different from atheism. I say the pledge but skip the "under God" part, as I don't believe the Founding Fathers intended freedom of religion to imply that one should have to believe in anything.
I was lucky in that my parents taught me to think of the meaning while saying the Pledge. I decided that I would always say it because I agreed with what it stood for, but they would have stood behind me regardless of if I did or did not. It's my opinion that educated patriotism is much better than blind patriotism, especially in a country like the US. I truly believe that the US is the greatest country in the world, and that is important to me because I got to that conclusion through information and not indoctrination. Sorry if I'm rambling or seeming to boast. Tl;dr: If you want to say the Pledge (and you should, ideally, as patriotism is important) you should know what and why, instead of simply going along with the herd. |
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Posted: 8/13/2016 11:43:51 PM EDT
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I did as a kid. Sometime in my mid 20s I stopped. I'll stand, hand-over-heart, but keep my mouth shut. I don't really expect there to be any sort of major issue between my faith and the US government anytime soon, but I don't feel any special allegiance to a bunch of bureaucrats in DC, a particular pattern of colors on a piece of fabric, or historical boarders on a map. The USA is currently the best system of government we have, but if something better comes up I'm going for it. ETA: I find the idea of the US being a "Christian nation" is laughable. I agree with you. |
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Posted: 8/13/2016 11:53:05 PM EDT
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The current pledge is unconstitutional. It was made that way in 1953 during the communist scare. Eisenhower's words. This is clearly a violation of the 1st and the separation of church and state. I say the pledge but drop the under god part. The flag is a few pieces of clothe the real thing we pledge to is the nation, which is the people bound together by the Constitution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The current pledge is unconstitutional. It was made that way in 1953 during the communist scare. Eisenhower's words. "From this day forward, the millions of our school children will daily proclaim in every city and town, every village and rural school house, the dedication of our nation and our people to the Almighty.... In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource, in peace or in war." This is clearly a violation of the 1st and the separation of church and state. I say the pledge but drop the under god part. The flag is a few pieces of clothe the real thing we pledge to is the nation, which is the people bound together by the Constitution. Where does it say this in the constitution? 
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Posted: 8/14/2016 10:11:55 AM EDT
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I agree with you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I did as a kid. Sometime in my mid 20s I stopped. I'll stand, hand-over-heart, but keep my mouth shut. I don't really expect there to be any sort of major issue between my faith and the US government anytime soon, but I don't feel any special allegiance to a bunch of bureaucrats in DC, a particular pattern of colors on a piece of fabric, or historical boarders on a map. The USA is currently the best system of government we have, but if something better comes up I'm going for it. ETA: I find the idea of the US being a "Christian nation" is laughable. I agree with you. Do your homework |
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Posted: 8/15/2016 6:30:02 PM EDT
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Where does it say this in the constitution? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The current pledge is unconstitutional. It was made that way in 1953 during the communist scare. Eisenhower's words. "From this day forward, the millions of our school children will daily proclaim in every city and town, every village and rural school house, the dedication of our nation and our people to the Almighty.... In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource, in peace or in war." This is clearly a violation of the 1st and the separation of church and state. I say the pledge but drop the under god part. The flag is a few pieces of clothe the real thing we pledge to is the nation, which is the people bound together by the Constitution. Where does it say this in the constitution? From Wiki "prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion" "In Everson v. Board of Education (1947), the Court drew on Thomas Jefferson's correspondence to call for "a wall of separation between church and State"" The words. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Many people like to miss the bold text. Add the word "God" in the pledge supports the establishment of religion. Private functions can do as they see fit. |
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Posted: 8/15/2016 7:50:54 PM EDT
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From Wiki "prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion" "In Everson v. Board of Education (1947), the Court drew on Thomas Jefferson's correspondence to call for "a wall of separation between church and State"" The words. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Many people like to miss the bold text. Add the word "God" in the pledge supports the establishment of religion. Private functions can do as they see fit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The current pledge is unconstitutional. It was made that way in 1953 during the communist scare. Eisenhower's words. "From this day forward, the millions of our school children will daily proclaim in every city and town, every village and rural school house, the dedication of our nation and our people to the Almighty.... In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource, in peace or in war." This is clearly a violation of the 1st and the separation of church and state. I say the pledge but drop the under god part. The flag is a few pieces of clothe the real thing we pledge to is the nation, which is the people bound together by the Constitution. Where does it say this in the constitution? From Wiki "prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion" "In Everson v. Board of Education (1947), the Court drew on Thomas Jefferson's correspondence to call for "a wall of separation between church and State"" The words. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Many people like to miss the bold text. Add the word "God" in the pledge supports the establishment of religion. Private functions can do as they see fit. As much as I think the pledge is creepy socialist brainwashing, and anybody not able to consent to sex shouldn't be able to pledge allegiance either, how is it a "law" that "congress" made? |
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Posted: 8/15/2016 8:53:42 PM EDT
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Adding the word God doesn't establish religion...to argue that we can't say God is as much a religion..atheism. That isn't the purpose however, of this thread. I meant do you feel that this is a Christian nation at present and do you feel that pledging yourself to a nation supersedes your allegiance to God...if that nation turns its back on God.
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Posted: 8/22/2016 12:25:01 AM EDT
[#14]
.... And to the republic for which it stood.....
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Posted: 8/22/2016 11:19:17 AM EDT
[#15]
There is but one God. Many nations.
I pledged my allegiance to the USA. I pledged my life to God. If the nation no longer represents my Christian beliefs I will not pledge allegiance to it. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:14:30 AM EDT
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Jesus said His kingdom was not of this world. He is my Lord. This scares secular Governments.
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Posted: 8/28/2016 7:50:25 PM EDT
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Do you pledge allegiance to the Flag? Do you feel like this is, or may soon be in opposition to Christ? Does the Republic for which it stands, stand for Christ? I will say it in it's pre 1950's version. |
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Posted: 8/30/2016 6:58:22 PM EDT
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Not really, I don't recall a scenario where it has been said outside of grade school.
That said, I don't really care for it. I don't pledge allegiance to a flag, I pledge it to my countrymen, and I don't think children should be reciting any pledges of allegiance until they can fully understand what it means to do so. |
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Posted: 9/4/2016 11:50:33 AM EDT
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I stand proudly at attention, with my hand over my heart and recite strongly each and every word. It's the least I can do to honor everyone of different beliefs,colors and affiliations who died for my (I believe God-given) freedoms for which I believe that flag represents. Nothing wrong with showing respect for our flag, our anthem and those who serve to protect us each and everyday.
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