Clear, concise, and to the point:

2nd video, first minute or so, he says a practicing homosexual (somebody engaged daily in it) will go to heaven if he believes in Jesus. That is not true.

What differentiates a Christian’s life from a non-Christian’s life is the struggle against sin. The Christian life is a progressive journey of overcoming the “acts of the flesh” (Galatians 5:19-21) and allowing God’s Spirit to produce the “fruit of the Spirit” (Galatians 5:22-23).

Read more here.

You cannot live in sin, practice sin, and be born again. Sure a born again Christian will slip up, we all will and do. However, practicing sin day in and day out is not how a born again Christian behaves.

http://www.gotquestions.org/homosexuality-Bible.html

People invite demons into their lives when they practice sin. Whether it be homosexuality, pornography, thievery, ect.

Matthew 12:44-45 “Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.”

I'm a Baptist and do not agree with him.


ETA this from one of the links above. I think it sums it up pretty pointedly.

Is it possible to be a gay Christian? If the phrase “gay Christian” refers to a person who struggles against homosexual desires and temptations – yes, a “gay Christian” is possible. However, the description “gay Christian” is not accurate for such a person, since he/she does not desire to be gay, and is struggling against the temptations. Such a person is not a “gay Christian,” but rather is simply a struggling Christian, just as there are Christians who struggle with fornication, lying, and stealing. If the phrase “gay Christian” refers to a person who actively, perpetually, and unrepentantly lives a homosexual lifestyle – no, it is not possible for such a person to truly be a Christian.

 










 

One who is born again does not habitually abide in sin. He may fall into it, but he does not practice it as a lifestyle.

Read this.

https://carm.org/can-true-christian-sin

I'm not aruing with you that we are saved by faith and God's grace.

You are missing the point I think.

Is it possible to be a gay Christian? If the phrase “gay Christian” refers to a person who struggles against homosexual desires and temptations – yes, a “gay Christian” is possible. However, the description “gay Christian” is not accurate for such a person, since he/she does not desire to be gay, and is struggling against the temptations. Such a person is not a “gay Christian,” but rather is simply a struggling Christian, just as there are Christians who struggle with fornication, lying, and stealing. If the phrase “gay Christian” refers to a person who actively, perpetually, and unrepentantly lives a homosexual lifestyle – no, it is not possible for such a person to truly be a Christian.

living a life as a homosexual and being a "godly" straight man who jerks off to porn every couple days is the exact same thing in the eyes of the lord..

I'm just sayin'

I believe this also.

If you are born again are you a slave to sin?

Whereas we were formerly slaves to sin, we are now “slaves to righteousness” (Romans 6:16). Sin’s control has been broken by the power of Jesus (Romans 6:6; Titus 2:14).

Romans 6:6
For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin

I was a slave to lust and pornography at one point in my life. I am no longer due to the power of Christ and the Holy Spirit who guides me.

Romans 8:14
For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God

it'd be nice if that were true, but the problem most people have with "born agains" is that they're not slaves to righteousness, they're hypocrits, ignoring their own sins in lieu of pointing out everyone elses'...

I agree with you again. There are hypocrites everywhere.

So salvation is of ourselves? That's a problem, since we all practice sin and are in the process of being sanctified.



That link is wrong. He fails at his Greek, or doesn't own a Strong's Concordance, since "poiei" does not mean "to practice", that's the word "prazzo". The King James translates it correctly to "doeth", it means you do it ONE TIME. Yet John told us two chapters earlier that everyone sins. So we do one sin and we're not Christians? Then John is saying that no one is a Christian, including himself.




Not so. what John is doing is contrasting our two natures. The key is Romans 7 and 1 Corinthians 15:44-49. He's outlining the old nature in v.4, 8, and 10, and the new nature in v.5-7, and 9, contrasting the two. Jewish Biblical thought is not always linear, and John is VERY Jewish in his writing.

Jesus condemned hypocrites, so we're not saved in that respect also?

 

We will all struggle with sin until we leave this body.

The key to victory in our struggles with sin lies not in ourselves, but in God and His faithfulness to us: “The LORD is near to all who call on Him, to all who call on Him in truth (Psalm 145:18; see also Psalm 46:1).

There’s no getting around it: we all struggle with sin (Romans 3:23). Even the great apostle Paul lamented over his ongoing struggle with sin in his life: “For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me” (Romans 7:18-20). Paul’s struggle with sin was real; so much so that he cried out, “What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death?” (Romans 7:24).

Yet in the next breath, he answers his own question, as well as ours: “Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!” (Romans 7:25). In this passage, Paul not only provides us with the very key to victory when struggling with sin, but explains the never-ending conundrum between our sinful nature and spiritual nature: “So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin” (Romans 7:25).

Earlier, Paul said, “For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin” (Romans 7:14). Paul is comparing our sinful nature, our flesh, to a slave. Just as a slave obeys his master, so our flesh obeys sin. However, as believers in Christ, we have become spiritual beings under the law of Christ; our inner selves are under the influence and ownership of God’s grace and the life of Christ (Romans 5:21). As long as we are living in this world, our sinful nature and fleshly desire will remain with us. But we also have a new nature in Christ. This leads to a struggle between what we want to do and what we actually do, as sin continues to assault our earthly nature. This struggle is a normal part of living the Christian life.

It’s interesting to note that Paul, the greatest of the apostles, declared that, of all sinners, “I am the worst!” (1 Timothy 1:15). Paul affirms the struggles we all have as we battle with sin and temptation in our lives. The struggles are real, and they’re debilitating. We grow weary from the never-ending temptations and in falling short of God’s glory. Paul, in essence, is telling us that we need not pretend that we’re untouched by our struggles. He’s been there. He understands. Though our efforts to do right seem desperate, we do have hope “through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Romans 7:25; Hebrews 4:15). And He, in fact, is the key to our victory over sin.

A true Christian will war with Satan and his daily efforts to undermine us. The devil is the ruler of this world, and we are living “behind enemy lines” (Ephesians 2:2; Ephesians 6:12; John 12:31). With our focus on Christ, however, we will be able to cultivate a mindset that proclaims we’d rather die than do anything to hurt God. When we give ourselves to Christ totally (Matthew 16:24), Satan will flee from us. When we draw near to God, He, in turn, will draw near to us (James 4:7-8).

Our key to victory in our struggle with sin lies in the very promise of God Himself: “No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and He will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation He will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it” (1 Corinthians 10:13).

As true believers in Christ, even when we “face trials far beyond our ability to endure” (2 Corinthians 1:8), we can echo the reassuring words of Paul, who declares, “God has delivered us and will continue to deliver us” (2 Corinthians 1:10). Finally, the psalmist gives us these words of encouragement: “Trust in the LORD, and do good; dwell in the land and befriend faithfulness. Delight yourself in the LORD, and He will give you the desires of your heart. Commit your way to the LORD; trust in Him, and He will act” (Psalm 37:3-5).

Taken from here:

http://www.gotquestions.org/struggling-with-sin.html

Romans 7:

 
13 Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.

14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.

16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good.

17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.

19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.

22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

Again, we are either saved by grace or saved by works. You can't have both. Romans 11:6 and Galatians 5:4 says this.

 

Are you saying you believe that all one needs to do is "believe" and that's it? They can continue to practice sin, steal, fornicate, murder, rape, pillage, and they will go to Heaven?

Luke 18:



9 Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector.

12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’

I understand that. But that is not what we are talking about.

Did you not watch all of the vids? The explanation why? Read the scriptures therein and what I posted? It's not what I am saying but what the Great I AM is saying.



John 3:16: For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.



We cannot condemn others without condemning ourselves.



Now God does chasten; He does convict. Unrepentant sinners will miss out on heavenly rewards, whatever they may be. But it is by GRACE through FAITH ALONE that gets us there.

 

When you are born again, you are changed. I posted the scripture that explains this above.

Is a practicing homosexual, unrepentant, living and enjoying his sin, going to Heaven because he believes in Jesus Christ?

Answer that please. Yes or no.

I agree that we are saved by grace.  Let's think of it this way.  A guy decided he is a Christian and is also a serial killer.  He kills one person each day after he became a Christian. Little kids, grandmas, etc.  then when he is killing number 2001, he has a heart attack and dies..with his bible in his back pocket.  Was he saved because he was saved by grace? Argue as you will, I'd say he was never saved because his heart was still a heart of stone.  Just because someone says they believe doesn't mean they are a Christian.  Even Satan believes that Jesus was Lord.  In my opinion, if someone really receives Christ, their past sins will discust them.  They will want to change.  They will still struggle sure.  They will slip, and they will screw up, but they will feel remorse because their heart has been changed and they now live for Christ.  Now I can't look at that person and say, I don't see enough works, they must not be saved. But I can look at their actions and say they sure don't look like they are a Christian.  BHO says he is a Christian.  His actions speak otherwise.

I agree.

Yes it is. The tax collector is still committing sin, according to how it worked back then. The Pharisee thought his performance justified him. The tax collector was saved and the Pharisee was not.



This agrees with Matthew 7:21-23, when you actually read the wording that is correctly translated in the KJV. "Did we not do many wonderful WORKS?" " Depart from Me, I never KNEW you".



Read Luke 7:36-50, the theme is repeated from a different angle:

I'll tell you, Christ changed me. Sure, I still struggle with sinful thought from time to time, or some other sin, but I repent and pray almost every day for strength against sin and for forgiveness. I thank Him for all He has done for me. And when the temptations come, I must rely on Him to bring me through.

This is what being Born Again means. Beliving in the Lord Jesus Christ means. You are no longer a slave to sin. He changes your heart. It is a powerful thing.

You want to please Him. Be near Him. That is what happened to me and the scripture backs it up.

If you don't agree, then we will just have to agree to disagree.

See that's salvation by works.
We know satan isn't going to be saved because the Bible says so, therefore the analogy is bunk. And if the serial killer did get saved, then it would be by grace wouldn't it?







 

See, you're saved if you don't do those things. It's fine and good if you do them, but they are not the key to your salvation. Don't be the Pharisee in Luke 7 or 18.







 

Where do you get works here?  I said I can say that they aren't acting Christian.  I never said I could judge someone's salvation.  It is by grace.  We all...every one of us deserves hell. God would be perfectly just to send us all there.  It is only by His grace that we are able to be saved.  Because Jesus paid my sin debt on the cross, God looks at me being clothed in Jesus.  Therefore no matter my sin, Jesus already paid it.  It is finished.  No works will get me there.  Only Jesus, by the Grace of God.  And the same for everyone else who will stand there with me.  I deserve Hell.  I am no bette than the practicing homosexual or murderer.  Our good deeds are like filthy rags.  What I have is Christ.  Sin is a debt.  We are all sinners.  We all have a sin debt.  Christ canceled out our sin debt having it nailed to the cross.  So my debt is canceled not by anything I did.  Or deserved.

Truth right there. I agree. You must be a Baptist too?

Thank God for His Son Jesus.

1 Timothy 1:15

This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Question: "Do Christians sin?"

Answer: Before exploring whether or not Christians sin, let’s define a couple of terms. Regardless of how tattered the word Christian has become throughout history, the biblical definition of a “Christian” is one who is a Christ-follower, a disciple of Jesus (Acts 11:26). A Christian is NOT someone who has ascribed to a particular set of religious beliefs or practices, joined a church, prayed a prayer, or participated in certain sacraments or rituals. A Christian is a person who has responded to the conviction of the Holy Spirit (John 6:44) by putting his or her whole faith in the finished work of Christ for salvation (Ephesians 2:8–9; John 3:15–18). Christians are those who have repented of their sin and have made Jesus Lord of their lives (Romans 10:9–10; Acts 2:38). They are born again by the power of the Holy Spirit (John 3:6–7).

“Sin” is any thought, word, or action that is contrary to the character or law of God. We all sin (Romans 3:23), and even what we consider good deeds are often tainted by selfish motives or pride (Isaiah 64:6). Left to ourselves, it is impossible to please God or to be completely free from sin (Romans 3:10; Ecclesiastes 7:10).

When we come to Christ by faith and trust Him to forgive and cleanse us of all our sin, we are in that moment born again (John 3:3). That new birth of the spirit results in a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17). God gives the repentant sinner a new heart that is now turned toward obeying and pleasing Him rather than self (2 Corinthians 5:9; Romans 8:5–6). Whereas we were formerly slaves to sin, we are now “slaves to righteousness” (Romans 6:16). Sin’s control has been broken by the power of Jesus (Romans 6:6; Titus 2:14).

However, we still live in the flesh, and the flesh is prone to want what it wants. In Romans 7:21–23, Paul admits the battle between flesh and spirit in his own life: “So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me.” Each battle with temptation is won or lost based upon how fully we are surrendered to the control of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:16–17).

The book of 1 John was written to Christians. The apostle says, “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:8–9). It is clear from this passage that even those who have been born again and redeemed by the blood of Jesus will still sin. Through thought, attitude, or action, we will “grieve” (Ephesians 4:30) and “quench” (1 Thessalonians 5:19) the Holy Spirit at times. But this passage also reassures us that God offers continual, ongoing grace whenever we agree with Him about our sin and ask for His cleansing.

However, other passages clarify the boundaries of this ocean of grace. First John 3:6 says, “No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.” Verse 9 says that those who have been “born of God” will not continue to live sinfully. The implication is that this is not a matter of trying harder. Rather, it is the equivalent of saying, “A fish cannot remain on land for long because its nature is to seek water.” A fish could flop onto the shore and survive for a short time. But it was not made for land and cannot continue there. When we are born again, our natures change, and we cannot continue in sin. Christ not only erases our past sin; He also transforms our hearts so that we no longer desire it (Colossians 2:13–14).

Paul asked, “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?” (Romans 6:1–2). Although Christians will still sin after being saved, the heart change that the Holy Spirit brings will result in a new attitude toward sin. Sin cannot continue being a lifestyle choice if we have surrendered our lives to Jesus. That’s what it means to say that Jesus is Lord (Romans 10:9; Colossians 2:6). We have a new boss. We cannot be followers of Christ and followers of sin at the same time. They are going in opposite directions (Luke 9:23; 14:33). Romans 12:2 instructs, “Be transformed by the renewing of your mind.” Renewal can take some time, but it is a process that produces a change of behavior.

When a true child of God goes astray, our Father administers discipline to bring him back into obedience. Hebrews 12:7–8 says, “It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.” If a professing Christian can choose a lifestyle of sin without experiencing enough discipline to bring them to repentance, then according to this Scripture, it is highly unlikely that that person is a child of God.

Do Christians sin? Yes. Do they willfully continue in sin? No. Scripture indicates that, while we will always “fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23), we have the hope that the power of God is at work in us to “make us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image” (2 Corinthians 3:18, NLT).

From here:

http://www.gotquestions.org/do-Christians-sin.html

Bolded part.

 




 

That link restates what I've already addressed in 1 John 3 and Paul's encouragements to BRETHREN not to continue in sin. It also talks out both sides of it's mouth and effectively muddies the gospel.



Should we avoid sin? Yes. Should we grow in the Lord? Yes. Does it affect salvation if we don't? Not according to Romans 4:5. It does however, affect rewards in Heaven and God will discipline those He loves.

 

No problem, it did come across as judging I suppose.  It really doesn't matter whether I believe they were saved or not.  God makes that decision.  Would you stop witnessing to someone just because they said " I'm good, I'm saved" and then asked to borrow money so they could get back to hiring a hooker to cheat on their wife with? They well may be saved and falling back into sin.  But I wouldn't decide that they didn't need to hear the Gospel because they said they were good.  Again, I'm not saying they are or aren't saved, but would you bet their salvation and the chance to share the gospel with them on just their saying something, and acting like that? I don't want God saying to me " you sure do give up easy.  I said spread the gospel and you decided not to because someone said they were good."

There might be a couple different approaches with this one. You can ask him point-blank where he thinks he will go when he dies, if he hesitates, give him the gospel of grace again. Sometimes we need to be reminded.

 







 

BTW I posted this because that first 5 minutes of the 2nd vid really convicted me of not fully understanding the depth of God's grace and how my own grace for others fell short.

And very few preachers actually give the Gospel in such a clear and concise manner anymore.

I have no problem with John 6:40. Or any verse in the Bible.  

For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

It doesn't say that the will of the Father is that all men believe however...  It says that the will is that all who believe will be saved.

That said.  Not for this thread.  If you receive Christ, you are saved.  Period. No works needed.  Someone receives Christ, dies that second is saved.

 

James 2 makes sense in this light. We are unable to contribute anything towards our salvation. James 2 isn't speaking of justification before God, but among fellow brethren.

Yep. I see that also.

the older I get, the more I believe none of us will be going to Heaven..
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none of us..

You cannot serve two masters...

Don't fall for that brother.

Get on your knees and pray. That's what I do. Satan wants you to burn in hell.

The issue is when guys who teach Lordship Salvation (MacArthur, Piper, Washer, White, Comfort, Friel, to name a few) say that James 2 is about "evidence of faith" and that evidence is the key to knowing you're saved. Washer goes as far as saying "if you don't have works, you're going to hell". Well that's wrong. That messes people up and leads them to thinking they need works to be saved, just like we saw in another recent thread where a man is going through just that.





We know we're saved because we trust what Christ has said: if we believe, we have eternal life...period.


 



ETA: There is no such thing as "unsaving faith" in the Bible., just as there's no such thing as "false faith"; there is only faith. Just as there is no such thing as "hyper-grace", there is only grace, and it's free.

Only if you judge salvation on the works of men rather than Christ's work.



None of us deserve to be saved, that's why we need grace.



It's not even a "grace or works" thing, it's a "grace or nothing" thing.



 

The only evidence of my salvation I know of is how He changed my heart. There are many facets of what was changed about it.

The Bible says even the demons believe and tremble.

The demons tremble because they know God keeps His promises and does what He says.



We need no evidence for our salvation, other than what the Bible says Christ will do for all those who believe.



Again. James, especially chapter 2, is about Christian service to God. It has nothing to do with personal salvation; evidence or otherwise.

Matthew 7:15-20English Standard Version (ESV)

A Tree and Its Fruit
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.

Here's good fruit
Galatians 5:22-26English Standard Version (ESV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

We are told to use this as a guide for who we should listen to and who we shouldn't. Who goes to heaven and who doesn't isn't any of our concern. We judge who we should listen to, not who we think has been saved. Although, one could say that if someone bears bad fruit, or doesn't bear good fruit, they can't belong to Christ according to these verses. But, we have no idea if they know Christ or not.

Paul tells us we should judge people inside the church according to their actions, but he doesn't say to judge their salvation.
1 Corinthians 5:9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church[b] whom you are to judge? 13 God judges[c] those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

Not in the Bible

There is not one Christian denomination on the planet that believes that our works merit salvation. Strawman.



 

One of many, many, MANY strawmen....

I think the whole lordship salvation thing is an overblown made up concept that is looking for something to argue about.
Think of it this way...you don't say baa..baaa to become a sheep.  You say baa baaa because you are a sheep.
Yes there may be some sheep that are mute...
You don't grow an apple and say " now I am an apple tree!"  But if after many years no apples ever appear...someone may question if it's really an apple tree.  No one is saying ( that I have heard) that we can ever know for sure if someone is a Christian only because of what they do. It's not our job.  Our job is to spread the Gospel and let the Holy Spirit do the work.

Well said.



 

Colossians 1:23 If
so ye continue in the faith, grounded and settled, and immoveable from
the hope of the gospel which you have heard, which is preached in all
the creation that is under heaven, whereof I Paul am made a minister. 24 Who
now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up those things that are
wanting of the sufferings of Christ, in my flesh, for his body, which
is the church: