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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:27:43 AM EDT
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SSPX?
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:40:51 AM EDT
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Just curious, but how many Catholic denominations are there?
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:53:33 AM EDT
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Just curious, but how many Catholic denominations are there? Roman Catholic Syrian Catholic Ethiopian Catholic Chaldean Catholic (Syria, Turkey, middle East) Coptic Catholic (Egypt) Traditionalist Catholics (not sure about their Communion with the Holy See) |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:05:57 PM EDT
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As I understand, there are three levels of radtrad:
1. Diocesan or FSSP parish. Everything is kosher here, enjoy your Latin mass and full communion with Rome. 2. SSPX - Founder was excommunicated by JPII and died that way. While technically in communion with Rome, they are irregular and their Confession and Matrimony aren't valid due to faculties being required by the local bishop. I would stay away or at least don't go there for confession. 3. Sedevacantists - they believe there is no real pope and can be a little crazy. They are not in communion with Rome and may or may not have valid sacraments. Google "Pope Michael". Stay away! Sounds like your friend is at 1 or 2 and in-laws are 3. I love the Tridentine mass and attend a 1. People can get a little too excited about it though, hence 2 and 3. 
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:07:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:11:17 PM EDT
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I never heard of sede vacantists until now but a quick google search reveals they're kooks. For example...
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:14:01 PM EDT
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Roman Catholic Syrian Catholic Ethiopian Catholic Chaldean Catholic (Syria, Turkey, middle East) Coptic Catholic (Egypt) Traditionalist Catholics (not sure about their Communion with the Holy See) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just curious, but how many Catholic denominations are there? Roman Catholic Syrian Catholic Ethiopian Catholic Chaldean Catholic (Syria, Turkey, middle East) Coptic Catholic (Egypt) Traditionalist Catholics (not sure about their Communion with the Holy See) Thanks skid, I was just curious. I've always heard of Irish Catholics, but I reckon they are also Roman Catholics. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:44:59 PM EDT
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Thanks skid, I was just curious. I've always heard of Irish Catholics, but I reckon they are also Roman Catholics. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just curious, but how many Catholic denominations are there? Roman Catholic Syrian Catholic Ethiopian Catholic Chaldean Catholic (Syria, Turkey, middle East) Coptic Catholic (Egypt) Traditionalist Catholics (not sure about their Communion with the Holy See) Thanks skid, I was just curious. I've always heard of Irish Catholics, but I reckon they are also Roman Catholics. Technically we don't have "denominations", we have "rites" (and churches). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Catholic_rites_and_churches What people would call "traditionalists" are really just standard Latin Rite Roman Catholics, which is what most people are. They simply use the Tridentine Mass (as opposed to the Novus Ordo or the Anglican [which only people of that Personal Ordinariate can use]). There are three Roman Rites under the Latin (and three other much smaller Latin Rites). All of these rites are in "communion" with the Holy See. People think of "Irish Catholics" as different, but they're not. Standard issue Latin Rite. Of course, there's a whhhhhoooolllllleeee lot of history there (see the "defunct rites" in that link). But they're not, really, special in any way. As a Latin Rite Catholic, I can attend Mass at any of those churches and receive communion. One of my friends is a Maronite and goes to our church simply because there isn't a Maronite Rite chuch anywhere near us. Each "rite" is just it's own way of doing things, but the core beliefs and all that are identical. The "Catholic Church" is often called the "Roman Catholic Church" simply because the "Roman" section is the biggest in population. (1b in the Latin, all the other guys equal 17m). This may help too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Catholic_Churches |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 1:00:33 PM EDT
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The trads can get whacky.
I used to consider myself one: preferred Latin mass, still abstain from Meat on Fridays, Mass and Confession once a week, pray rosary daily, etc. But after interacting with some of them on different levels...I call myself a Catholic who prefers the Latin Mass. I'm not talking about the FSSP types or the more normal SSPX types...it's the others: There are the Sedes who reject the pope, and says there hasn't been a valid one since Leo XIII. Some of these people follow shady bishops who wear ill-fitting vestments and have an odd background. Then there's th home-aloners who pray at home and bever go to church or interact with the world. The SSPV types think the SSPX types are too liberal. Both think a diocese sanctioned Latin Mass is an atrocity. They all frown on women wearing pants. think "The Sound of Music" is pornography, some act like Luddites and reject all technology. You can google them and find more than a few Nazi apologist/sympathizers/Holocaust deniers as well as terrorist sympathizers and more than enough of them are blatant antisemites that hate Israel. There's quite a few that hate American politics and long to be ruled by a king. They remind me of the Pharisees from the NT more than anything else. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 2:21:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The trads can get whacky. I used to consider myself one: preferred Latin mass, still abstain from Meat on Fridays, Mass and Confession once a week, pray rosary daily, etc. But after interacting with some of them on different levels...I call myself a Catholic who prefers the Latin Mass. I'm not talking about the FSSP types or the more normal SSPX types...it's the others: There are the Sedes who reject the pope, and says there hasn't been a valid one since Leo XIII. Some of these people follow shady bishops who wear ill-fitting vestments and have an odd background. Then there's th home-aloners who pray at home and bever go to church or interact with the world. The SSPV types think the SSPX types are too liberal. Both think a diocese sanctioned Latin Mass is an atrocity. They all frown on women wearing pants. think "The Sound of Music" is pornography, some act like Luddites and reject all technology. You can google them and find more than a few Nazi apologist/sympathizers/Holocaust deniers as well as terrorist sympathizers and more than enough of them are blatant antisemites that hate Israel. There's quite a few that hate American politics and long to be ruled by a king. They remind me of the Pharisees from the NT more than anything else. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:33:46 PM EDT
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I think he is at SSPX now and that parish has the consent of the bishop. The wife's family is...uh...more deliberately separated from the diocese. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SSPX? He shouldn't bother arguing with them. They are, in effect, heretics. And, having watched my wife argue with such folks online about veiling (she does, she's just not nutty about it) odds are he won't get anywhere. The "open chair" thing is just silly. Also, FSSP et al exist for a reason and he should really go to a parish that has valid faculties (SSPX Sunday mass "counts", but confessions and the like don't). |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:45:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks skid, I was just curious. I've always heard of Irish Catholics, but I reckon they are also Roman Catholics. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just curious, but how many Catholic denominations are there? Roman Catholic Syrian Catholic Ethiopian Catholic Chaldean Catholic (Syria, Turkey, middle East) Coptic Catholic (Egypt) Traditionalist Catholics (not sure about their Communion with the Holy See) Thanks skid, I was just curious. I've always heard of Irish Catholics, but I reckon they are also Roman Catholics. My family attended Tridentine rite at St. Mary's in Convington Ky . Parents were disillusioned by the changes to the mass in the late 60's- 70's. I know the parish priest at St. Bernard's turned them in as heretics at the time. St. Marys had been removed from the Diocese of Covington Ky and all the priests were excommunicated. https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=1056 They were strict. I was thrown out of the house for getting my ears pierced at 16. There was no TV allowed in the house and I got caught with a National Enquirer among other things so I was forced to kneel for 3 hours at the priest home as a sinner. I used to sneak a transistor radio out to the barn to listen to the Reds games and rock n roll.  We were not allowed to have shirt buttons open or wear jeans/pants or attend mass in anything but dresses and our heads had to be covered. The daily prayers were said in Latin and prayer was used as punishment in our house. I didn't own a pair of jeans until I was 18. It took me that long to get over the fear and have enough money to by a pair. I don't think there are a lot of resources. Most of the priests churches and families went underground and tried not to call attention to themselves. The Catholic community there was prolific at the time. PONTIFICIA COMMISSIO ECCLESIA DEI was used for a long time by less strict churches like Assumption in Walton Ky. St. Mary's was sect of the Tridentine Rite outside of SSPX . I remember the priest being very paranoid from the pulpit about the mainstream Roman Catholic Church. There may be some resources for him at the Shrine of The Most Blessed Sacrament Hanceville. They seem to offer a balanced perspective and are reasonably recognized by the dioceses. Most of the priest there are solid guides. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 10:37:39 PM EDT
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When I lived in Cincinnati there was an Irish Catholic Church and a German Catholic church right across the streets from each other and the two didn't mix.
My family attended Tridentine mass at St. Mary's in Convington Ky . Parents were disillusioned by the changes to the mass in the late 60's- 70's. I know the parish priest at St. Bernard's turned them in as heretics at the time. St. Marys had been removed from the Diocese of Covington Ky and all the priests were excommunicated. https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=1056 They were strict. I was thrown out of the house for getting my ears pierced at 16. There was no TV allowed in the house and I got caught with a National Enquirer among other things so I was forced to kneel for 3 hours at the priest home as a sinner. I used to sneak a transistor radio out to the barn to listen to the Reds games and rock n roll.
We were not allowed to have shirt buttons open or wear jeans/pants or attend mass in anything but dresses and our heads had to be covered. The daily prayers were said in Latin and prayer was used as punishment in our house. I didn't own a pair of jeans until I was 18. It took me that long to get over the fear and have enough money to by a pair. I don't think there are a lot of resources. Most of the priests churches and families went underground and tried not to call attention to themselves. The Catholic community there was prolific at the time. PONTIFICIA COMMISSIO ECCLESIA DEI was used for a long time by less strict churches like Assumption in Walton Ky. St. Mary's was sect of the Tridentine Rite outside of SSPX . I remember the priest being very paranoid from the pulpit about the mainstream Roman Catholic Church. There may be some resources for him at the Shrine of The Most Blessed Sacrament Hanceville. They seem to offer a balanced perspective and are reasonably recognized by the dioceses. Most of the priest there are solid guides. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just curious, but how many Catholic denominations are there? Roman Catholic Syrian Catholic Ethiopian Catholic Chaldean Catholic (Syria, Turkey, middle East) Coptic Catholic (Egypt) Traditionalist Catholics (not sure about their Communion with the Holy See) Thanks skid, I was just curious. I've always heard of Irish Catholics, but I reckon they are also Roman Catholics.
My family attended Tridentine mass at St. Mary's in Convington Ky . Parents were disillusioned by the changes to the mass in the late 60's- 70's. I know the parish priest at St. Bernard's turned them in as heretics at the time. St. Marys had been removed from the Diocese of Covington Ky and all the priests were excommunicated. https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=1056 They were strict. I was thrown out of the house for getting my ears pierced at 16. There was no TV allowed in the house and I got caught with a National Enquirer among other things so I was forced to kneel for 3 hours at the priest home as a sinner. I used to sneak a transistor radio out to the barn to listen to the Reds games and rock n roll.
We were not allowed to have shirt buttons open or wear jeans/pants or attend mass in anything but dresses and our heads had to be covered. The daily prayers were said in Latin and prayer was used as punishment in our house. I didn't own a pair of jeans until I was 18. It took me that long to get over the fear and have enough money to by a pair. I don't think there are a lot of resources. Most of the priests churches and families went underground and tried not to call attention to themselves. The Catholic community there was prolific at the time. PONTIFICIA COMMISSIO ECCLESIA DEI was used for a long time by less strict churches like Assumption in Walton Ky. St. Mary's was sect of the Tridentine Rite outside of SSPX . I remember the priest being very paranoid from the pulpit about the mainstream Roman Catholic Church. There may be some resources for him at the Shrine of The Most Blessed Sacrament Hanceville. They seem to offer a balanced perspective and are reasonably recognized by the dioceses. Most of the priest there are solid guides. Wow! What a story Angelfire. God Bless your trials! What kept you in the faith? That almost sounds like a cult experience. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:12:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow! What a story Angelfire. God Bless your trials! What kept you in the faith? That almost sounds like a cult experience. Quote HistoryQuoted: When I lived in Cincinnati there was an Irish Catholic Church and a German Catholic church right across the streets from each other and the two didn't mix. My family attended Tridentine mass at St. Mary's in Convington Ky . Parents were disillusioned by the changes to the mass in the late 60's- 70's. I know the parish priest at St. Bernard's turned them in as heretics at the time. St. Marys had been removed from the Diocese of Covington Ky and all the priests were excommunicated. https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=1056 They were strict. I was thrown out of the house for getting my ears pierced at 16. There was no TV allowed in the house and I got caught with a National Enquirer among other things so I was forced to kneel for 3 hours at the priest home as a sinner. I used to sneak a transistor radio out to the barn to listen to the Reds games and rock n roll. We were not allowed to have shirt buttons open or wear jeans/pants or attend mass in anything but dresses and our heads had to be covered. The daily prayers were said in Latin and prayer was used as punishment in our house. I didn't own a pair of jeans until I was 18. It took me that long to get over the fear and have enough money to by a pair. I don't think there are a lot of resources. Most of the priests churches and families went underground and tried not to call attention to themselves. The Catholic community there was prolific at the time. PONTIFICIA COMMISSIO ECCLESIA DEI was used for a long time by less strict churches like Assumption in Walton Ky. St. Mary's was sect of the Tridentine Rite outside of SSPX . I remember the priest being very paranoid from the pulpit about the mainstream Roman Catholic Church. There may be some resources for him at the Shrine of The Most Blessed Sacrament Hanceville. They seem to offer a balanced perspective and are reasonably recognized by the dioceses. Most of the priest there are solid guides. Wow! What a story Angelfire. God Bless your trials! What kept you in the faith? That almost sounds like a cult experience. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:18:18 PM EDT
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Only by the Grace of God Skid. God is my family, my best friend my everything. I have nothing else. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When I lived in Cincinnati there was an Irish Catholic Church and a German Catholic church right across the streets from each other and the two didn't mix.
My family attended Tridentine mass at St. Mary's in Convington Ky . Parents were disillusioned by the changes to the mass in the late 60's- 70's. I know the parish priest at St. Bernard's turned them in as heretics at the time. St. Marys had been removed from the Diocese of Covington Ky and all the priests were excommunicated. https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=1056 They were strict. I was thrown out of the house for getting my ears pierced at 16. There was no TV allowed in the house and I got caught with a National Enquirer among other things so I was forced to kneel for 3 hours at the priest home as a sinner. I used to sneak a transistor radio out to the barn to listen to the Reds games and rock n roll.
We were not allowed to have shirt buttons open or wear jeans/pants or attend mass in anything but dresses and our heads had to be covered. The daily prayers were said in Latin and prayer was used as punishment in our house. I didn't own a pair of jeans until I was 18. It took me that long to get over the fear and have enough money to by a pair. I don't think there are a lot of resources. Most of the priests churches and families went underground and tried not to call attention to themselves. The Catholic community there was prolific at the time. PONTIFICIA COMMISSIO ECCLESIA DEI was used for a long time by less strict churches like Assumption in Walton Ky. St. Mary's was sect of the Tridentine Rite outside of SSPX . I remember the priest being very paranoid from the pulpit about the mainstream Roman Catholic Church. There may be some resources for him at the Shrine of The Most Blessed Sacrament Hanceville. They seem to offer a balanced perspective and are reasonably recognized by the dioceses. Most of the priest there are solid guides. Wow! What a story Angelfire. God Bless your trials! What kept you in the faith? That almost sounds like a cult experience. That is beautiful. Thank you. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:44:51 PM EDT
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When I lived in Cincinnati there was an Irish Catholic Church and a German Catholic church right across the streets from each other and the two didn't mix.
My family attended Tridentine rite at St. Mary's in Convington Ky . Parents were disillusioned by the changes to the mass in the late 60's- 70's. I know the parish priest at St. Bernard's turned them in as heretics at the time. St. Marys had been removed from the Diocese of Covington Ky and all the priests were excommunicated. https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=1056 They were strict. I was thrown out of the house for getting my ears pierced at 16. There was no TV allowed in the house and I got caught with a National Enquirer among other things so I was forced to kneel for 3 hours at the priest home as a sinner. I used to sneak a transistor radio out to the barn to listen to the Reds games and rock n roll.
We were not allowed to have shirt buttons open or wear jeans/pants or attend mass in anything but dresses and our heads had to be covered. The daily prayers were said in Latin and prayer was used as punishment in our house. I didn't own a pair of jeans until I was 18. It took me that long to get over the fear and have enough money to by a pair. I don't think there are a lot of resources. Most of the priests churches and families went underground and tried not to call attention to themselves. The Catholic community there was prolific at the time. PONTIFICIA COMMISSIO ECCLESIA DEI was used for a long time by less strict churches like Assumption in Walton Ky. St. Mary's was sect of the Tridentine Rite outside of SSPX . I remember the priest being very paranoid from the pulpit about the mainstream Roman Catholic Church. There may be some resources for him at the Shrine of The Most Blessed Sacrament Hanceville. They seem to offer a balanced perspective and are reasonably recognized by the dioceses. Most of the priest there are solid guides. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just curious, but how many Catholic denominations are there? Roman Catholic Syrian Catholic Ethiopian Catholic Chaldean Catholic (Syria, Turkey, middle East) Coptic Catholic (Egypt) Traditionalist Catholics (not sure about their Communion with the Holy See) Thanks skid, I was just curious. I've always heard of Irish Catholics, but I reckon they are also Roman Catholics.
My family attended Tridentine rite at St. Mary's in Convington Ky . Parents were disillusioned by the changes to the mass in the late 60's- 70's. I know the parish priest at St. Bernard's turned them in as heretics at the time. St. Marys had been removed from the Diocese of Covington Ky and all the priests were excommunicated. https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=1056 They were strict. I was thrown out of the house for getting my ears pierced at 16. There was no TV allowed in the house and I got caught with a National Enquirer among other things so I was forced to kneel for 3 hours at the priest home as a sinner. I used to sneak a transistor radio out to the barn to listen to the Reds games and rock n roll.
We were not allowed to have shirt buttons open or wear jeans/pants or attend mass in anything but dresses and our heads had to be covered. The daily prayers were said in Latin and prayer was used as punishment in our house. I didn't own a pair of jeans until I was 18. It took me that long to get over the fear and have enough money to by a pair. I don't think there are a lot of resources. Most of the priests churches and families went underground and tried not to call attention to themselves. The Catholic community there was prolific at the time. PONTIFICIA COMMISSIO ECCLESIA DEI was used for a long time by less strict churches like Assumption in Walton Ky. St. Mary's was sect of the Tridentine Rite outside of SSPX . I remember the priest being very paranoid from the pulpit about the mainstream Roman Catholic Church. There may be some resources for him at the Shrine of The Most Blessed Sacrament Hanceville. They seem to offer a balanced perspective and are reasonably recognized by the dioceses. Most of the priest there are solid guides. Where does the ear piercing rule come from? I've wondered that before. On a side note...I heard that Mcdonalds invented the filet of fish because the Cincinnati stores lost so much business on Fridays, due to the huge Catholic population in the area. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:57:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where does the ear piercing rule come from? I've wondered that before. On a side note...I heard that Mcdonalds invented the filet of fish because the Cincinnati stores lost so much business on Fridays, due to the huge Catholic population in the area. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just curious, but how many Catholic denominations are there? Roman Catholic Syrian Catholic Ethiopian Catholic Chaldean Catholic (Syria, Turkey, middle East) Coptic Catholic (Egypt) Traditionalist Catholics (not sure about their Communion with the Holy See) Thanks skid, I was just curious. I've always heard of Irish Catholics, but I reckon they are also Roman Catholics. My family attended Tridentine rite at St. Mary's in Convington Ky . Parents were disillusioned by the changes to the mass in the late 60's- 70's. I know the parish priest at St. Bernard's turned them in as heretics at the time. St. Marys had been removed from the Diocese of Covington Ky and all the priests were excommunicated. https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=1056 They were strict. I was thrown out of the house for getting my ears pierced at 16. There was no TV allowed in the house and I got caught with a National Enquirer among other things so I was forced to kneel for 3 hours at the priest home as a sinner. I used to sneak a transistor radio out to the barn to listen to the Reds games and rock n roll. We were not allowed to have shirt buttons open or wear jeans/pants or attend mass in anything but dresses and our heads had to be covered. The daily prayers were said in Latin and prayer was used as punishment in our house. I didn't own a pair of jeans until I was 18. It took me that long to get over the fear and have enough money to by a pair. I don't think there are a lot of resources. Most of the priests churches and families went underground and tried not to call attention to themselves. The Catholic community there was prolific at the time. PONTIFICIA COMMISSIO ECCLESIA DEI was used for a long time by less strict churches like Assumption in Walton Ky. St. Mary's was sect of the Tridentine Rite outside of SSPX . I remember the priest being very paranoid from the pulpit about the mainstream Roman Catholic Church. There may be some resources for him at the Shrine of The Most Blessed Sacrament Hanceville. They seem to offer a balanced perspective and are reasonably recognized by the dioceses. Most of the priest there are solid guides. Where does the ear piercing rule come from? I've wondered that before. On a side note...I heard that Mcdonalds invented the filet of fish because the Cincinnati stores lost so much business on Fridays, due to the huge Catholic population in the area. The church teaches the sanctity of the body and modesty. For us that meant no makeup, minimal jewelry, no nail polish, and showing your arms or chest or legs above the knee was a heck no. So getting my ears pierced was seen as something only whores did. "If God had wanted holes in your ears he would have put them there." Since I was the eldest girl of six kids I was setting a bad example. At least that was the logic mom used at the time. I was not permitted back even through I took the ear rings out. Mom used the church and religion to hide mental illness. There were two sides to her. The side she presented to the world and the side she used at home. It was a blessing to be thrown out. I know that now. We still do fish on Fridays. I usually wear only dresses to church, I have to be very sick to miss mass. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:51:40 AM EDT
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]When I lived in Cincinnati there was an Irish Catholic Church and a German Catholic church right across the streets from each other and the two didn't mix.
My family attended Tridentine rite at St. Mary's in Convington Ky . Parents were disillusioned by the changes to the mass in the late 60's- 70's. I know the parish priest at St. Bernard's turned them in as heretics at the time. St. Marys had been removed from the Diocese of Covington Ky and all the priests were excommunicated. https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=1056 They were strict. I was thrown out of the house for getting my ears pierced at 16. There was no TV allowed in the house and I got caught with a National Enquirer among other things so I was forced to kneel for 3 hours at the priest home as a sinner. I used to sneak a transistor radio out to the barn to listen to the Reds games and rock n roll.
We were not allowed to have shirt buttons open or wear jeans/pants or attend mass in anything but dresses and our heads had to be covered. The daily prayers were said in Latin and prayer was used as punishment in our house. I didn't own a pair of jeans until I was 18. It took me that long to get over the fear and have enough money to by a pair. I don't think there are a lot of resources. Most of the priests churches and families went underground and tried not to call attention to themselves. The Catholic community there was prolific at the time. PONTIFICIA COMMISSIO ECCLESIA DEI was used for a long time by less strict churches like Assumption in Walton Ky. St. Mary's was sect of the Tridentine Rite outside of SSPX . I remember the priest being very paranoid from the pulpit about the mainstream Roman Catholic Church. There may be some resources for him at the Shrine of The Most Blessed Sacrament Hanceville. They seem to offer a balanced perspective and are reasonably recognized by the dioceses. Most of the priest there are solid guides. Off topic.....Neat to hear that. My FIL grew up in Cincy and went to St. Bernard. His oldest brother lives on a farm outside Covington. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 11:10:04 AM EDT
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I think he is at SSPX now and that parish has the consent of the bishop. The wife's family is...uh...more deliberately separated from the diocese. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SSPX? Give Catholic Answers a try. I think that their web site is Catholic.com. They have an "Ask an Apologist" forum and there are sedevacantist discussions there occadionaly. I've only met a few of those folks and my impression is that most of them were poorly catechized and then later develop a zeal for the faith. They assume that the reason that they were not previously zealous is because they were not practicing the true Catholic faith, instead of just recognizing that they were poorly catechized or just apathetic. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 11:34:24 AM EDT
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Thanks to all.
Angelfire, I'm surprised that such a rebellious chlldhood led you to the cello. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 2:04:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks to all. Angelfire, I'm surprised that such a rebellious chlldhood led you to the cello.  As I recall it seems that the brass section/Trumpets and people who played more than 4 strings were far more rebellious It was braces with head gear that kept me from my first choice of flute in the third grade, that is what led me to cello...  And thanks to someone pointing me to some youtube videos I am wafting out some CRAZY TRAIN and Black Dog on said cello. Guess I am gonna burn for that.   |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 8:18:52 PM EDT
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More important question...skyline or gold star?
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Posted: 7/1/2015 8:36:28 PM EDT
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Angelfire
Wow, I grew up in a conservative (Mennonite) church and the only Catholics I knew were of the nominal variety. I never knew there were Catholics that were that conservative. I really do appreciate the different views expressed here! |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 9:16:36 PM EDT
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Just because you have me wondering...are the catholic groups that are so strict on dress and earrings ok with tobacco and alcohal? I have no experience with this. I do have some experience with other groups and they are a mixed bag.
Twire...dont mean to hijack..sorry. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 11:36:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More important question...skyline or gold star? |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 12:07:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just because you have me wondering...are the catholic groups that are so strict on dress and earrings ok with tobacco and alcohal? I have no experience with this. I do have some experience with other groups and they are a mixed bag. Twire...dont mean to hijack..sorry.  They were not ok with anything excessive. My dad stopped drinking but didn't give up cigarettes until he had his first quadruple by pass. He snuck out to the barn to smoke the cigarettes. But I was the one that got in trouble for the transistor radio.  They were very strict about what we read, regimented about prayer and chores, really focused on mysticism like the appearances of the Blessed mother and stigmatists. They were very strict about dating etc. If we dated we had to have a chaperone (usually a younger sibling who would tell in a heart beat if there was anything contrary going on). The boys were treated very differently than the girls. And the priest was overly involved. Birthdays and holidays were not a big deal except for church and a special dinner. We were made to sit in the front pew in church, lined up so that my mother could twist the skin on the backs of our arms if we got out of line. She was a big lady and had an eight foot reach and lazer eyes that drilled holes in the back of your head. Also another interesting tid bit...My mom in her later years became very reclusive and seldom left the house. Since they were not actively attending St. Mary's and they lived too far away for the priest to visit they would not do her funeral for her. The local churches viewed my parents are heretics and also declined. She was buried from St. Xavier the Jesuit Church and no rosary was said at the wake. My mom ironically considered them heretics. My dads health went down hill after that. It took lot of prayer and negotiations with dad and the church but I was able to get my brother and dad to join St. Ignatius. They were very good to bring them communion and Dad was able to receive the sacraments in his last days. As kid you don't realize just how political this all was. As an adult, to this day, it is heartbreaking to remember how alienation. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 10:39:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryExtraordinary form is simply part of the Latin Rite (The one that is said in the local language is the ordinary form) - which is the most common rite in the Roman Catholic Church. There are 25 or so liturgical rites that are part of the Roman Catholic Church. The 2 communities that don't believe in the current Pope are not Roman Catholics. But I am sure there are hopes of bringing them back into the fold. --- Vatican II did little to actually change the Church - but there was a movement that used it as an excuse to do many things Vatican II never intended. Take the Fish - VII recognized that we are still required to do penance on Fridays, but left the observation to the various council of bishops. The USCCB said outside of Lent, it did not necessarily to abstain from meet - but it was still the normal standard. Then the people disregarded all of it because that is what their liberal Priests told them. |
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Posted: 7/8/2015 3:04:59 PM EDT
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As I understand, there are three levels of radtrad: 1. Diocesan or FSSP parish. Everything is kosher here, enjoy your Latin mass and full communion with Rome. 2. SSPX - Founder was excommunicated by JPII and died that way. While technically in communion with Rome, they are irregular and their Confession and Matrimony aren't valid due to faculties being required by the local bishop. I would stay away or at least don't go there for confession. 3. Sedevacantists - they believe there is no real pope and can be a little crazy. They are not in communion with Rome and may or may not have valid sacraments. Google "Pope Michael". Stay away! Sounds like your friend is at 1 or 2 and in-laws are 3. I love the Tridentine mass and attend a 1. People can get a little too excited about it though, hence 2 and 3. This ^^ is a good summation. I live in an area with all 4 of the topic groups represented; Roman Rite Catholic {AKA Roman Catholic}, Society of St Pius X {SSPX}, Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Petri {FSSP} and a sedevacantist group complete with nuns most of whom, oddly enough...actually broke with the sede's and joined the local Roman Catholic diocese! They sort of "unschismed" themselves! I am actually registered with two parishes, a Roman Rite parish {"normal Catholic} and the FSSP parish. The FSSP parish is far enough away I can't get there every Sunday for Mass so we go to a Roman Rite parish. Don't forget, there are 24 total rites in Communion with Rome. The FSSP is not a "rite" under that heading. They are more of an order, and I think they use the term "order" more commonly. "Roman Catholic" happens to be the largest. There is also a Byzantine Catholic {in Communion with Rome} parish a couple hours away. From what I know of it, it, too is an awesome parish. I am a member of the Confraternity of Saint Peter which is really a prayer support group for the FSSP. They have a very powerful ministry and have many young people {kids, young adults, etc} involved. It is a GREAT parish. Our local parish is plagued with liberalism and runs priests off like dogs chase squirrels. It is really sad. The Bishop is trying to straighten the place out now so we have hope. But for really powerful teaching and leadership the FSSP is where it's at. They aren't embarrassed to be Catholic and being in Communion with Rome all the sacraments are valid and licit! |
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Posted: 7/8/2015 3:08:26 PM EDT
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I think he is at SSPX now and that parish has the consent of the bishop. The wife's family is...uh...more deliberately separated from the diocese. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SSPX? Technically, SSPX has no canonical status within the Catholic Church {per Pope Benedict, so that decision carries some weight... LOL  }. I've never heard of a situation where a diocesan Bishop "approved" of a SSPX location/church/parish. I believe all of them operate extra-canonically.
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Posted: 7/8/2015 7:19:07 PM EDT
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How about telling your friend to focus on what Jesus said? How about your friend telling his wife's family that maybe they should also focus on what Jesus said?
Getting caught up in the "church" and the institutions of men and conflict isn't going to do anyone any good. It's going to keep you and anyone else from focusing on what is important. Don't bicker about this person's interpretation of what the gospel means to them verses your own, or which church has the correct interpretation. Instead, why not ask the Lord to lead you? To give you wisdom? James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. Matthew 7:9-11“Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! Isn't He our Shepard? Aren't we His flock? Jesus Teaches Nicodemus 3 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.” 3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.' 4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!” 5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” 9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked. 10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? 11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.[e] 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.” 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God. |
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Posted: 7/8/2015 8:21:23 PM EDT
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How about telling your friend to focus on what Jesus said? How about your friend telling his wife's family that maybe they should also focus on what Jesus said? Getting caught up in the "church" and the institutions of men and conflict isn't going to do anyone any good. It's going to keep you and anyone else from focusing on what is important. Don't bicker about this person's interpretation of what the gospel means to them verses your own, or which church has the correct interpretation. Instead, why not ask the Lord to lead you? To give you wisdom? James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. Matthew 7:9-11“Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! Isn't He our Shepard? Aren't we His flock? Jesus Teaches Nicodemus 3 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.” 3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.' 4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!” 5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” 9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked. 10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? 11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.[e] 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.” 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God. It's like this. No matter what Scriptures are chosen to reflect on, people must make a decision where to worship and what group of people to associate with. If they worship in a Protestant church, for example, they deny the teachings of Scripture and the commands of Christ. So they are seeking something closer to the truth. So TWIRE is seeking discernment in order to help them. Just like we all do from time to time. A noble act if there ever was one, as opposed to just grabbing the Bible, interpreting it by himself {which is against its very teaching}, finding some passages that appeal to him, and telling them to "focus on Jesus". That isn't focusing on Jesus. What he is doing in discerning the spirits and obeying Christ in following the teachings of the Church, is. |
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Posted: 7/9/2015 6:30:59 PM EDT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k-jvWchaXE Here is a video about him and his story.
I hope that these videos help and this mans testimony brings anybody that listens closer to Christ our Lord. |
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Posted: 7/9/2015 7:02:36 PM EDT
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 https://youtu.be/7k-jvWchaXE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k-jvWchaXE Here is a video about him and his story. https://youtu.be/wr7RQ7sITV8
I hope that these videos help and this mans testimony brings anybody that listens closer to Christ our Lord. Hey, I have something in common with that guy. We are both converts at age 48! Except I was an evangelical with a Masters degree in Theology/Philosophy, having also been a Protestant missionary at one point in my life. But after about 40 years of Bible study and study of all the major schismatic groups in Protestantism I converted to the Catholic Church, the Church by whose Tradition we have the Bible in the first place. It is hard to take seriously a man like the guy you have videos of here who makes and takes an OATH and then breaks it and goes on the rubber chicken circuit trying to sell his own personal brand of schism. |
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Posted: 7/9/2015 8:40:20 PM EDT
[#34]
Ah yes... Richard Bennett the raging disgruntled anti catholic apologist. I haven't heard his name mentioned in years.
He is almost the embodiment of Lucifer's story in many ways. Some of his earlier sermons, before he was silenced, had very little Christ present. He was pushing his own agenda and got frustrated that he couldn't get traction. The absolute rejection of his early works burned a hole in his heart. He has a massive ego. If you look hard enough you can always find someone who thinks the same as you. If you seek your truth and not God's.. you will find just your truth. Those who are ordained are sealed. It can never be removed even though he has been excommunicate the seal remains. He has a higher level of responsibility to not lead the children of God astray. He will be accountable for the souls lost. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 12:55:13 PM EDT
[#35]
So you think non Catholics are lost?
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Posted: 7/10/2015 7:54:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you think non Catholics are lost? Ask him. |
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Posted: 7/11/2015 12:40:14 AM EDT
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So you think non Catholics are lost? This is a topic for another thread, but in regards to Priests and others who know but reject the teachings of the Church, that is, if they do know and eject anyway, one is inclined to pray harder for their eternal salvation, that is, the saving of their souls; Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. (CCC 846) It is a grave condition to be in when one rejects the faith having previously known it. |
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Posted: 7/11/2015 1:20:30 AM EDT
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This is a topic for another thread, but in regards to Priests and others who know but reject the teachings of the Church, that is, if they do know and eject anyway, one is inclined to pray harder for their eternal salvation, that is, the saving of their souls; Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. (CCC 846) It is a grave condition to be in when one rejects the faith having previously known it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you think non Catholics are lost? This is a topic for another thread, but in regards to Priests and others who know but reject the teachings of the Church, that is, if they do know and eject anyway, one is inclined to pray harder for their eternal salvation, that is, the saving of their souls; Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. (CCC 846) It is a grave condition to be in when one rejects the faith having previously known it. Faith in Catholicism or faith in the Father? |
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Posted: 7/11/2015 11:43:35 AM EDT
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So you think non Catholics are lost? This is a topic for another thread, but in regards to Priests and others who know but reject the teachings of the Church, that is, if they do know and eject anyway, one is inclined to pray harder for their eternal salvation, that is, the saving of their souls; Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. (CCC 846) It is a grave condition to be in when one rejects the faith having previously known it. Faith in Catholicism or faith in the Father? Canon law, Catholic rules, have zero meaning to me. I read the Bible and I do my best to do what Christ says. What the Bible says. I don't care what some man or body of men over the years have interpreted it to mean in order to serve themselves. All men are flawed. Including all of us. I'm born again. The Holy Spirit dwells in my heart. If a Church is teaching something contradictory to what is in the Bible, then I'll know. And I'll leave. I have no qualms about pointing it out either so that my brethren in Christ can look at it and formulate a way forward. Whatever that might be. Its between them and God. God gave us his word. We are to follow it. Not men. The Pharisees were corrupt. Bling guides I believe were the terms Christ used when he chastised them. The same thing is going on today amongst all the denominations of churches. We are to keep an eye out for this and test what they say against the scriptures. |
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Posted: 7/11/2015 12:28:00 PM EDT
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Canon law, Catholic rules, have zero meaning to me. I read the Bible and I do my best to do what Christ says. What the Bible says. I don't care what some man or body of men over the years have interpreted it to mean in order to serve themselves. All men are flawed. Including all of us. I'm born again. The Holy Spirit dwells in my heart. If a Church is teaching something contradictory to what is in the Bible, then I'll know. And I'll leave. I have no qualms about pointing it out either so that my brethren in Christ can look at it and formulate a way forward. Whatever that might be. Its between them and God. God gave us his word. We are to follow it. Not men. The Pharisees were corrupt. Bling guides I believe were the terms Christ used when he chastised them. The same thing is going on today amongst all the denominations of churches. We are to keep an eye out for this and test what they say against the scriptures. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you think non Catholics are lost? This is a topic for another thread, but in regards to Priests and others who know but reject the teachings of the Church, that is, if they do know and eject anyway, one is inclined to pray harder for their eternal salvation, that is, the saving of their souls; Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. (CCC 846) It is a grave condition to be in when one rejects the faith having previously known it. Faith in Catholicism or faith in the Father? Canon law, Catholic rules, have zero meaning to me. I read the Bible and I do my best to do what Christ says. What the Bible says. I don't care what some man or body of men over the years have interpreted it to mean in order to serve themselves. All men are flawed. Including all of us. I'm born again. The Holy Spirit dwells in my heart. If a Church is teaching something contradictory to what is in the Bible, then I'll know. And I'll leave. I have no qualms about pointing it out either so that my brethren in Christ can look at it and formulate a way forward. Whatever that might be. Its between them and God. God gave us his word. We are to follow it. Not men. The Pharisees were corrupt. Bling guides I believe were the terms Christ used when he chastised them. The same thing is going on today amongst all the denominations of churches. We are to keep an eye out for this and test what they say against the scriptures. In fact, Christ gave us His Church and you prove your faith in God by your relationship to real people on earth. Your personal interpretation of the Bible has zero meaning to anyone but you. And at no time did God ever establish a Church of One Guy. You are really deluded in this popular notion that just reading the Bible and picking the parts that make you feel good and "saved" is all there is to the Christian faith. That notion is foreign to the Old Testament, foreighn to the New Testament, and foreign to the teachings of the early Christians. It might make you feel very good, but such feelings have nothing to do with true salvation. And by the way, the Bible you read was given to you in history by the teaching Tradition of the Catholic Church, a Tradition that existed for hundreds of years before the Canon of Scripture was finally established. |
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Posted: 7/11/2015 12:41:51 PM EDT
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In fact, Christ gave us His Church and you prove your faith in God by your relationship to real people on earth. Your personal interpretation of the Bible has zero meaning to anyone but you. And at no time did God ever establish a Church of One Guy. You are really deluded in this popular notion that just reading the Bible and picking the parts that make you feel good and "saved" is all there is to the Christian faith. That notion is foreign to the Old Testament, foreighn to the New Testament, and foreign to the teachings of the early Christians. It might make you feel very good, but such feelings have nothing to do with true salvation. And by the way, the Bible you read was given to you in history by the teaching Tradition of the Catholic Church, a Tradition that existed for hundreds of years before the Canon of Scripture was finally established. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you think non Catholics are lost? This is a topic for another thread, but in regards to Priests and others who know but reject the teachings of the Church, that is, if they do know and eject anyway, one is inclined to pray harder for their eternal salvation, that is, the saving of their souls; Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. (CCC 846) It is a grave condition to be in when one rejects the faith having previously known it. Faith in Catholicism or faith in the Father? Canon law, Catholic rules, have zero meaning to me. I read the Bible and I do my best to do what Christ says. What the Bible says. I don't care what some man or body of men over the years have interpreted it to mean in order to serve themselves. All men are flawed. Including all of us. I'm born again. The Holy Spirit dwells in my heart. If a Church is teaching something contradictory to what is in the Bible, then I'll know. And I'll leave. I have no qualms about pointing it out either so that my brethren in Christ can look at it and formulate a way forward. Whatever that might be. Its between them and God. God gave us his word. We are to follow it. Not men. The Pharisees were corrupt. Bling guides I believe were the terms Christ used when he chastised them. The same thing is going on today amongst all the denominations of churches. We are to keep an eye out for this and test what they say against the scriptures. In fact, Christ gave us His Church and you prove your faith in God by your relationship to real people on earth. Your personal interpretation of the Bible has zero meaning to anyone but you. And at no time did God ever establish a Church of One Guy. You are really deluded in this popular notion that just reading the Bible and picking the parts that make you feel good and "saved" is all there is to the Christian faith. That notion is foreign to the Old Testament, foreighn to the New Testament, and foreign to the teachings of the early Christians. It might make you feel very good, but such feelings have nothing to do with true salvation. And by the way, the Bible you read was given to you in history by the teaching Tradition of the Catholic Church, a Tradition that existed for hundreds of years before the Canon of Scripture was finally established. I never said I pick and choose what makes me feel good. Those are your words, not mine. I don't do that anyway, not sure where you got that notion from, I'm guessing it's just your generalized view of all Protestants. Have a great day. |
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Posted: 7/11/2015 2:52:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:If a Church is teaching something contradictory to what is in the Bible, then I'll know. And I'll leave. Quote HistoryQuoted:If a Church is teaching something contradictory to what is in the Bible, then I'll know. And I'll leave. You mean if a Church is teaching something contradictory to your interpretation of the Bible. However, as you said All men are flawed. Including all of us. Jesus did tell us that Peter was the rock on which He would build his Church and that the gates of hell would not prevail against it. Therefore, we can trust that Church's authoritative interpretation of scripture. Anything else could be man attempting to remake God in his own image. |
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Posted: 7/13/2015 5:41:17 PM EDT
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You mean if a Church is teaching something contradictory to your interpretation of the Bible. However, as you said Jesus did tell us that Peter was the rock on which He would build his Church and that the gates of hell would not prevail against it. Therefore, we can trust that Church's authoritative interpretation of scripture. Anything else could be man attempting to remake God in his own image. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:If a Church is teaching something contradictory to what is in the Bible, then I'll know. And I'll leave. You mean if a Church is teaching something contradictory to your interpretation of the Bible. However, as you said All men are flawed. Including all of us. Jesus did tell us that Peter was the rock on which He would build his Church and that the gates of hell would not prevail against it. Therefore, we can trust that Church's authoritative interpretation of scripture. Anything else could be man attempting to remake God in his own image. Realizing this was one of the things that snapped me out of Protestantism and back to Roman Catholicism. It was a sobering realization, let me tell you... |
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