That would be great! Thanks SAE.

ETA : I apologize, I read that wrong. Which errors? I will try and fix them?

Good enough for me about the church testimonial  thing!

Something about this.

The Monsignor' s  name is Esseff. I am wrong about the local Bishop so far. But I doubt the Bishop would disagree with his Monsignor. I think that is what you are speaking of.

Right.

DEC11

6. Always Saying “Tomorrow”The Future, Unforeseen Events  

Mary

From all of these events, a great gift will come forth.  Mankind will be humbled because the foolishness that seemed like wisdom will be exposed.  As each of the events happen, people will ask, “Why did we build our house on sand?” and “Why did we not walk in truth”?   Debts are postponed as if tomorrow does not come.  Yet, tomorrow is quickly becoming today, and the future is becoming now.

This is today’s theme.  The economic system has been built on a million tomorrows.  Everything will get paid tomorrow and the burden of debt grows.  Prosperity reigns because no one pays for it.  All is postponed.  Credit flows like the flood of an overflowing ocean.

How long until the crash?  It is constantly postponed by measures that will only multiply the problems when they come.  “Not on my watch” say the political leaders, so they pass the debt on to future generations, who are ill-prepared for any acts of saving money.

Now, I must speak from my heart.  The debts grow, not just in one country but in many at once.  They all accumulate.  The weight quickly becomes too much to bear.  The breakthrough happens, small at first.  However, so many economies are weak and all are interconnected, that the small beginnings lead to unforeseeable results.  Suddenly, comes the collapse which no one could have foreseen and for which there are only a few inadequate answers.

Mankind will go on from there, constantly trying to solve its problems by the light of reason, believing that faith has nothing to do with economics.  Yet, it is the lack of faith in God’s ways that has led mankind on these roads in the first place.

At this time, I will still be on the sidelines. Other events will have to occur before I will be fully invoked by the Church.  Yet, that day of consecrating Russia to my Immaculate Heart will take place, although, it will be late.

Comment:  Without making decisions in the light of faith, man inevitably builds false systems.

DEC12

7. New Light For the DarknessThe Future, Unforeseen Events  

Mary

Mankind must be washed, cleansed and purified.  Otherwise, he cannot receive the great graces that are stored in my Immaculate Heart.  If mankind turns to me, a way will open up for this purification to occur quickly and even with a great joy.  Do I not know the ways of good and evil?  Has not the heavenly Father filled me with wisdom?  Am I not trying to pour out this light upon all?

I will not allow anyone who turns to me to be lost.   When the events begin, I will gather them into the secret recesses of my heart.  They will find others also gathered there and together, they will persevere.

So much will change.  The mighty and the strong will find great difficulty in coping but the little ones will enjoy my protection.  Let these words be imbedded in your hearts, “Our mother, filled with wisdom, can guide us through the darkness”.

So much is hidden from your eyes.  That is why you need a heavenly mother to guide your steps.  In the events that lie ahead, many who are powerful and rich will not know what to do.  But, the little ones whom I guide will walk in the greatest light.

All that I ask of you is to walk in truth.  In your life right now, are pockets of darkness, the little lies that allow you to make selfish decisions.  Are you ready for the full light?  Can you walk in perfect light?  Of course you can because I will lead you.  When the events begin, you will be guided by this new light which I give you today.

Comment: Our Lady promises light and asks us to reject any darkness in our lives.

DEC13

8. These Words Prepare YouThe Future, Unforeseen Events  

Mary

When the events take place, people will see that my words are true.  They will have great faith and prepared hearts.  Right now, you have no need for the special words.  The purpose of speaking now is to prepare you to have faith so you will believe my future words.  Right now, your lives continue on as usual and you do not need my special words, which I reserve for the darkness.

These events have no exact timetable because they do not come from God.  They result from evil embedded into human history and into human hearts which can freely choose.  If people choose prayer and repentance, the effects will be less and will come later.  If people choose selfish goals and sins, the effects will be greater and come sooner.  The events will reflect the sins of mankind.  God will not cause them.

By these little locutions, I have prepared all who believe.  A series of events will occur that will change much of human life.  By telling you ahead of time, I give you faith so that, in the middle of the events, you will believe my daily words and I can lead you.  Peace.  Always peace. The Lord is near.

Comment:  Our Lady sums up these teachings and explains that God does not cause evil.

The Torch of Faith

DEC14

1. Retrieving Abandoned LightsThe Torch of Faith  

Mary

I would bathe the world in quite different events.  History does not have just one road, a path that leads only into darkness.  That was the only road before Jesus came. Now, a new path lies before mankind.

Unfortunately, that path has been concealed and covered over.  People have set aside their light of faith.  It lies abandoned by the wayside.  They have been captured by all that is new, all the promises of a world built upon science.

I have picked up all these abandoned lights of faith.  They are not lost forever.  I have saved them in my heart, waiting for the moment when the events of darkness shatter the false illusions which have captured so many.

That moment will come.  The great illusions that science can produce a heaven on earth without the help of faith will be broken. Many will submit totally to despair.  Others will seek their lost torch of faith.  They will find it kept safely in my heart.

Why not seek it now?  Why wait until the dangers encircle the earth?  That is what I will explain now.  O reader, I offer to you a new torch of faith.  I will place it quickly in your heart.  You will cherish it and will never abandon it again.  Hold on to this light and it will never go out.  You will need it for the darkness.

Comment:  Our Lady invites us to a different path which can be seen only by the torch of faith.

DEC15

2. What God Did For Our LadyThe Torch of Faith  

Mary

I want to reveal every secret in my heart.  Only in this way, will the world enjoy enough light to overcome the darkness.  I will begin with all that God did for me.

I am joined to God’s Son, more than any mother to any child.  This union comes from both nature and grace.  I am joined by maternal love, the greatest love any mother has for a child.  I am also joined to Jesus by my Immaculate Conception.  From the very first instant of my existence, Jesus flooded me with his Holy Spirit.  Not one inch, not one hairs’ breadth separated us.  No other creature is so intimately joined to Jesus.  The Father gave to Jesus’ humanity (which he received from me) all the divine powers.  Jesus shared with me every possible gift.  “I will use you as my instrument” said Jesus.

Can the Father do this?  Can He bring a woman so close to himself through the humanity that the Spirit formed in her, that He makes her an instrument of all his graces?  Who dares to say that God cannot do this while at the same time allowing me to be a creature, infinitely below Him?  Once this is understood, I can reveal all my secrets.

Comment:  Our Lady sets the stage for great inner revelations.

DEC16

3. The Heavenly Fire’s PowersThe Torch of Faith  

Mary

There are two fires.  You see the fires of hell which lead mankind to wars and destruction.  Still hidden are my fires of heaven.  Fire should be fought with fire but until now the fires of heaven burn only in my heart.  How I long to pour out these fires upon the whole earth.

This heavenly fire has three gifts.  What can this heavenly fire do?  Love is its greatest gift and will be so much needed when the events begin.  In those days, people must love one another and care for one another.  People will experience gigantic losses and will need a support that no government can provide.  Only love from others will supply their needs.

This fire also gives light.  So much will be different.  The former wisdom will not suffice.  New lights, new directions and new initiatives will be needed that can only come from my fire.

Finally, my fire will protect.  This is the most important.  As Satan unleashes these events, one by one, the usual walls that protect society will crumble.  Satan will be like an enemy attacking a city which he can enter easily.  I will surround every person who calls on me, with my fire of protection.  Although the walls collapse I will keep them safe, individually and collectively, privately and especially as they gather.

Comment:  Our Lady reveals the three special powers of her fire.

No need for apologies brother, no offense was taken. I am not, and this goes for most protestants, anti catholic nor do I say catholics are not Christians. The vast majority of us just disagree with some of the doctrine. Not a big deal really, just people's preferences.

Your attitude is awesome in this thread by the way. Haven't lost your cool yet

Cool! I wasn't trying to cause any disruptions, but realized this would stir some stuff up. Just thought I should put it out there.

Thanks for posting, this is cool to discuss.

This thread seems to be going along peacefully, and I'm not going to be the one to overturn the apple cart in the regard.  I'll just throw this out there- before I left the Catholic Church in 1997, I read quite a bit of these "visions".  However, it was the push to declare Mary "Co-Redemptrix" that finally drove me away.  I still have my brown scapula, because a lot of other Christians can't believe such a thing exists.  Anyway, doesn't anyone else seem to notice that "Mary" seems to bestow an awful lot of honor upon herself?  It seems to be an awful far cry from the humble Mary we see in the Bible.  Well, that and the fact there's no evidence to support the concept Mary ascended into heaven without dying.  I don't know what, if anything people are seeing when they have these visions.  However, there does not need to be a "purging" of man's sins.  Christ took care of that once and for all on the cross.



Speaking of which...does anyone notice there is little, if ANY mention of Christ in these "visions"?  The Old Testament points to Christ, and in the New Testament, there's no doubt who the star of the show is.  The book begins with Christ coming in as a baby, and it ends with him in heaven, reigning in glory.  In between, there is no doubt who God considers worthy to save.  There is no mention of Mary in any of the letters or Revelation.  She was obviously a woman of great faith, but why did Peter or Paul not consider it worth writing about her?  Why no mention that she would rise up to heaven, and appear hundreds of years later in visions?  

Google "Great Chastisement" and "Three Days Darkness".

My question is this: if a person say for instance a prophet would speak on God's behalf, such as the spiritual experiences of Isaiah of Jeremiah, now this is one thing. And by the way, what they saw has been right on the money, even more so tham most Christians will ever know, even up until this very day as we find ourselves coming to the end of days now!
But, interpreting a vision or revelation from someone who was a mortal such as, "Mary" was is another.
The Catholics do not consider her as such; a one time mortal person at one point as in many who sinned as we all have, isn't this right?

Thanks,
Jim

Catholic church teaching is that Mary was sinless.  The argument is that when Gabriel greeted her and said she was "Full of grace", it was referring to an inherent quality she possessed.  I've also heard it said that since Jesus is sinless, he must have been born from a sinless vessel.

Sigh..



 

ROME – In one of the feasts and celebrations marked on the Roman Catholic liturgical calendar leading up to Christmas, Catholics around the world observed the Feast of Immaculate Conception on Monday, a day in which those who follow the religion commemorate their belief that Mary was born without sin.
The pontiff known as Pope Francis led Catholics in the annual observance of the holiday, delivering an Angelus address in St. Peter’s Square.

“Oh Mary, our mother, today the people of God in celebration venerates you, the immaculate, preserved from the contagion of sin from the beginning,” he prayed. “Accept the gift I offer on behalf of the church in Rome and throughout the whole world.”

“In this time that leads us to the feast of the birth of Jesus, teach us to go against the tide,” Francis continued. “The power of God’s love, which has preserved you from original sin, freed all of humanity through your intercession from every spiritual and material slavery and made the designs of God’s salvation victorious within hearts and events.”

According to the National Catholic Register, he also declared to the crowds gathered that in Mary “there was no room for sin,” because “God had chosen her to be the mother of Jesus,” which resulted in her being preserved from “original sin.”

The pontiff later venerated the Statue of the Immaculate Conception in Rome’s Piazza di Spagna and invited others to join him. The statue was created in 1857 as a mark of the Roman Catholic belief that Mary was conceived without sin.

“I ask you to spiritually unite yourselves to me in this pilgrimage, which expresses filial devotion to our heavenly mother,” he said.

Christian News Network

So did ,"Mary's," parents have no sin either?
If not, then what about their parents to the third and fourth generations?
What about  marriages through any of their offspring into other bloodlines which were not of the linage of Mary's father; which if only by her to Jesus Christ, would have been contrary to Jewish laws as it still is today.
And in this, if achieved, then God would legally have to break covenant with His people Israel, even in one instance, would immediately nullify the law and thus separate the covenant through a breach of the law.
And at this, the word of God would be broken and of non-effect forever!
There is only One!
This is the law.
There was no such prophesy as in Christ; a safeguard concerning no other impregnated by the Holy Spirit of God but Mary, the mother/carrier of Jesus Christ, forthcoming to ratify these claims of a sinless human carrier of the Messiah, which had no sin.

I'm just trying to follow along and get educated on the whole 'locution' concept. I did find the dates in the OP, now knowing what to look for.

Now are these suppose to be specific prophetic utterances or just general guidelines of trends that are going to happen?

My brother SAE.  Catholics believe that ONLY the PURE can be in the presence of God. The New Covenant and fulfillment of the old testament is Jesus the Christ.

Mary through her pure life and conception was the tabernacle of the Son of Man. The original ark of the covenant contained the Tablets, Aron's Staff that had budded and manna.

Mary as the Ark of the covenant brought forth that completion.

Ann and Joachim though very holy were not conceived without sin. Only Mary could be  born without original sin and that was to completely fulfill all that was promised through the the old testament.

In every single way Christ honored His mother.



 

I am sorry you left the Church. I cannot speak on Co-Redemtrix or Mediatrix. I have heard of it but do not know enough or understand.

Christ is the "Star" of the show. But Mary is important to promoting His role in our life. If that makes sense.


From EWTN, is an explanation of Mary in Revelations:


"The book of Revelation records a vision of a woman clothed with the sun:

12:1 And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; 12:2 she was with child and she cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery. 12:3 And another portent appeared in heaven; behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems upon his heads. 12:4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, that he might devour her child when she brought it forth; 12:5 she brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 12:6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which to be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

There is a long-standing tradition of interpretation in the Church which views this woman from two perspectives: as representative of God’s People and as the Mother of our Lord. We note that it is common to find a feminine image for the People of God, in the OT and the NT. In this case, we see that the Savior (male child) is born of the Jewish People with the pains of birth (symbolically often used to represent a new age dawning, certainly the case with the coming of the Messiah) and Satan attempts to destroy our Lord, not just as an infant but he continually attempted to thwart his saving mission. But having failed to do this and now that our Lord has ascended to heaven, Satan continues to wage war upon the Church (the Woman). She is given protection by our Lord, as the Church is protected, through a period of persecution. The reference to a period of three and a half years, in various fractions, seems to represent a period of persecution, no matter how long it may be, in fact. This three and a half period may find a past reference in the persecution of Antiochus IV of Syria upon the Jewish people in the 2nd century BC and may find an initial fulfillment in the siege of Jerusalem from 66-70 AD, more specifically, for precisely a three and a half year period.

At the primary level of symbolism, we can see this woman as representative of our Blessed Mother, who gave birth to our Lord. But in making this association, we do not apply every aspect or detail to her directly without qualification. For the suffering need not be a matter of physically giving birth, but of the sufferings the Mother of our Lord endured which reach a height as she stood beneath the cross upon which her Son died. Remember, the prophet Simeon had foretold that a sword of sorrow would pierce her heart. This allusion was not a matter of a physical sword but of spiritual and emotional suffering of a Mother, which is also physical. But many non Catholics will not accept deeper levels of symbols, which is often at the spiritual level of interpretation and in light of Tradition and sometimes special revelations, such as Marian apparitions, some of which have been officially approved.

And while maintaining both the symbol of Mary and of the People of God for this Woman, I now regard the primary meaning as Mary, as the other figures of this chapter refer first of all to single referents and secondarily to other realities: the Dragon is Satan, St. Michael is the Archangel, and the Male Child is, of course, Jesus Christ. The apparent connection between the appearance of the ark of the covenant in chapter eleven and the appearance of this woman in chapter twelve further confirm the association of the Woman with Mary, for she is regarded by the Church as the new Ark of the Covenant, as the first dwelling place of the Incarnate Lord.

We should also note that the Church has chosen the text of the Woman Clothed with the Sun as the first reading for the vigil Mass of the feast of the Assumption. The implication is obvious: this text is to be associated with the Blessed Mother, now in her heavenly splendor.

Finally, we have the words of two popes who comment upon this Woman as an image of the Blessed Mother.

In his encyclical letter “Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum” Pope Pius X wrote:

“A great sign,” thus the Apostle St. John describes a vision divinely sent him, appears in the heavens: “A woman clothed with the sun, and with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars upon her head.” Everyone knows that this woman signified the Virgin Mary, the stainless one who brought forth our head…John therefore saw the Most Holy Mother of God already in eternal happiness, yet travailing in a mysterious childbirth. What birth was it? Surely it was the birth of us who, still in exile, are yet to be generated to the perfect charity of God, and to eternal happiness. And the birth pains show the love and desire with which the Virgin from heaven above watches over us, and strives with unwearying prayer to bring about the fulfillment of the number of the elect.

In his encyclical letter, "The Great Sign," Pope Paul VI wrote:

The great sign which the Apostle John saw in heaven, "a woman clothed with the sun,"(1) is interpreted by the sacred Liturgy,(2) not without foundation, as referring to the most blessed Mary, the mother of all men by the grace of Christ the Redeemer.

In his encyclical letter “Redemptoris Mater” Pope John Paul II wrote:

47. Thanks to this special bond linking the Mother of Christ with the Church, there is further clarified the mystery of that "woman" who, from the first chapters of the Book of Genesis until the Book of Revelation, accompanies the revelation of God's salvific plan for humanity. For Mary, present in the Church as the Mother of the Redeemer, takes part, as a mother, in that monumental struggle; against the powers of darkness"(138) which continues throughout human history. And by her ecclesial identification as the "woman clothed with the sun" (Rev. 12:1),(139) it can be said that "in the Most Holy Virgin the Church has already reached that perfection whereby she exists without spot or wrinkle." Hence, as Christians raise their eyes with faith to Mary in the course of their earthly pilgrimage, they "strive to increase in holiness."(140) Mary, the exalted Daughter of Sion, helps all her children, wherever they may be and whatever their condition, to find in Christ the path to the Father's house.

Thanks, Ed

Father Echert"

I can not believe that God would utilize this blessed woman Mary & have no further use for her. Meaning giving birth to our Lord isn't all He needed from her.

Also, as Christians our souls are not mortal. We are immortal in God.

As,  Catholics we also believe in the communion of Saints. So we have constant communication with Souls after earthly death.

Most of these certain locutions show guidance in general. But there are certain exact occurrences that are coming this year.

I'm sorry, your claim is not Scripturally or Biblically valid.
Do you have any other information or writings to back up your claim?

So what is your Biblically Scriptural authority here?
I see none to prosecute your claim in that same Biblically Scriptural way as Jesus Christ living His whole earthly life and ministry to the world as the only Savior of it, and without any sin!
Even here if Mary had no sin; then why is this sinless state about here only generally known to Catholics or the Catholic church?
It seems like to me also, the more you use her name, the less you use Jesus Christ's Name, or if at all now or only in a referral sort of way.
I guess I'm missing something here?
And yes, the spirit of man, or the one who the Apostle Paul called our, "inner man,'' the one he said that is in total agreement with the precepts of God is immortal indeed.
But now our outer man, or the man of flesh consisting of our physical bodies and our physical minds, wills, and emotions are quite another matter indeed, are they not?
The Bible says that only One came forth without sin.
And the Bible clearly states that, that Name was not and any way Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ!
So therefore you must show your claim to be valid by some other means, correct?

I see and cannot valid any claim or reconcile the same to the word of God, or the Holy Bible of God as to a process of a sinless nature concerning anyone other than the one utilized expressly by God and through the Holy Spirit of God, except in the instance of when the Messiah, or that physical man of Jesus Christ was conceived in Mary's womb, and through a process and authority of the Holy Spirit in which the Bible has never made mention of any other.


Thanks,

SAE

So this interior locution happens to someone the Monsignor knows and he believes it to be a true locution, and he transmits it to us via writing? Or is he experiencing the locution?

Sorry, I'm not seeing the correlation between the Scripture that you have listed here, and the claim of a sinless Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ.
However, I do see a metaphorically spiritual example of Satan desiring to kill the Christ child at birth or shortly thereafter using the Jewish King Herod to accomplish this feat for him because the Messiah had then indeed come in the flesh!

Also if I am reading your church logic through its own dogma correctly, then the Catholic church believes that the spirit of a man or woman is one which is eternal correct?

Brother Jim

Why do you care SAE? There is thread after thread after thread of this same thing.  I have never understood the intent. I don't know why you enter a Catholic thread to begin with. We know how you feel.

I could  put it a thousand ways and you do the same thing over and over again.

What is it you really seek? If your faith is as it should be you do not need to be validated in any other way. There is a contentment in the Spirit of the Lord. Think of the safest place you know where you feel the greatest joy and peace in your life. That is this contentment and you don't need to do anything else.




   


   

Another source was from Pope Pius IX




   


   

Not going to hash out all of this, but this particular point is nonsense.

Everything about the Blessed Mother's existence points towards Christ.  To think otherwise is being (probably willfully) obtuse.

I'm sorry.
Even though you may list many different articles of faith according solely to the Catholic world organization, and exhaustive reasoning which obviously at this point you whole-heartedly ascribe to and believe in for whatever reason, the fact of the matter still quite remains, is that you do not have any Biblical Scripturally sound references to back up your claims which you, and apparently that the Catholic church at large is making or authorizing to be made here at this time also.

Your claims are not backed up nor verified by the word of God, or the Holy Christian Bible according to any point that you have attempted to make so far.
Can you produce these now?

Thanks.

That's because the Church and Sacred tradition predate the Bible (2 Thess 2:15) The tradition of the Theotokos and her assumption predate the compilation, and likely the composition, of scripture.



Do you believe that Mary is the Mother of God, the Theotokos?



Do you believe that it is possible for a mortal being to be 'assumed?

But we must always thank God for you, brothers loved by the LORD, because from the beginning God has chosen you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit (or by the Holy Spirit of God) and through belief in the truth.
He called you to this through our gospel, so that you might obtain the glory of our Lord JESUS CHRIST.

Therefore brothers, stand firm and hold on to the traditions you were taught, either by OUR MESSAGE OR BY OUR LETTER.

May our Lord Jesus Christ HIMSELF and God our FATHER, who has loved us and given us eternal encouragement and good hope by grace (or by that grace which is found only through the blood atonement of Jesus Christ), encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good work and word.

The Letter of the Apostle Paul Though Holy Spirit of God to the Church in Thessalonica
The Holy Bible of God: 2nd Thessalonians 2: 13-17
Stand Firm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJpt1hSYf2o

If sacred tradition predates the bible, wouldn't it make since that it would be included in the bible?  I can't see why it would have been left out. Paul's letters, for the most part, were instructions to the various churchs. Shouldn't the sacred traditions have been included with basic instructions to the new Christians?

 

Are you going to pull them pistols and go to work, or are you just going to stand there and bleed brother?

2 Thess 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.



John 21: 24 This
is that disciple who giveth testimony of these things, and hath written
these things; and we know that his testimony is true.²⁵ But
there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were
written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to
contain the books that should be written.



Clearly the Bible itself does not define itself as a sole record or sole authority. First and second Thessalonians was probably the earliest New Testament composition around 52 AD. Some 30-40 years later the gospel of John also says that the teachings of Jesus were not written down in their entirety. The oral passage of tradition existed from the beginning. Fast forward some 300 years and The Church vetted, assembled and compiled the 72 books of the Bible which reflected these teachings and the beliefs of The Church that Jesus Christ founded. Moving ahead another 1100 years, the Prtestant 'reformers' decide that The Church had it wrong from the beginning or, to put it in context, The Church founded by Jesus Christ and carried forth by the Apostles with scripturally delineated authority and guided by the Holy Spirit as promised by Jesus, was simply wrong. Out of this rebellion taking place 1500 years after the origin of The Church, we now enjoy 30,000 churches and the completely non-scriptural and non-traditional doctrines of sola scriptura and sola fide.



You are welcome.

This Scripture that you have listed; John 21: 24-25 has nothing to do with the claims that you and others have made here concerning alleged, "locutions," or concerning the deity of Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ in any form or fashion as it stands by the word of God today.
In fact, this particular passage of Scripture has to do with the correcting of another false report as it turns out.

Do you have any other Scripture at this juncture to add?

Thanks again.

Where has the Church claimed that 'whoever dies wearing a scapula is guaranteed to go to heaven'?

Have a link for that?

tap-tap

Why do you care?

If you don't believe as we believe why does this matter so much. It is persecution Saul.





 

We will see about that.

You know SAE I pray every day for you.

I don't attack you. We have a right to worship in this country. You aren't asking for any other reason than to pilfer some tidbit to lend some misguided validity to some hard core argument you feel you have to make.

Have you declared your own jihad on Catholics?

Where does it say ANYWHERE in your faith that if it isn't EXACTLY as it's written the bible ... it ain't so. It's not a code book. It's not a competition. Aren't you supposed to bring souls to the Lord? Or is it the fundamentalist job to destroy faith?



Listen.. the OLD testament the TORAH was handed down carefully generation after generation after generation by word of mouth and tradition. There was no technology back then to attest to all this.

We CATHOLICS wrote it down.

We wrote the witness of the life death and resurrection of Christ.

What IS the end game for you? What is your point? What will you would you personally gain from any of us explaining something you do not want to understand?

It is persecution SAE. Its the worst kind.
 

Sister, may I offer you a Band-Aid or a beverage perhaps?

in for more

Scapular
http://www.catholicdigest.com/articles/faith/heritage/2009/01-01/discover-the-secrets-of-the-scapular

Did you read your link?  It contradicts the premise you and the other Prot Funds are trying to make:

Thanks Led.
Us "Prot Funds," appreciate it.

Avoidance and condescension? No answer?


At one point SAE the discussion was informative and educational. That is not what this anymore.
 

What, then, do a scapular’s promises mean? The Brown Scapular, for example, carries with it the promise (traditionally believed to have been made by Mary in an apparition to St. Simon Stock) that “he who dies in this will be saved.” It also offers us the Sabbatine Privilege, or the assurance that a properly disposed wearer will benefit from the Holy Virgin’s intercession, especially on the Saturday (thus “Sabbatine”) following one’s death.

“Properly disposed” is a key phrase here. Regarding sacramentals, the Church has always taught that one must be properly disposed for them to be effective.

Is this why we may eat fish on Saturday?